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NPOV issue with the 2006 part of the Timeline

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The entry in the Timeline for the year 2006 uses words and terminologies that call into question its neutrality.

In particular, the line, "With the marching orders and blessings of Lakas, LP members sympathetic to the Arroyo administration used the meeting on 2 March to install Manila Mayor Lito Atienza as the party" prejudges the actions of the other faction of the LP, and is a common claim both by the faction headed by Sen. Franklin Drilon and persons that are against Pres. Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo.

Unless a citation proving that there was indeed "marching ordders and blessings of LAKAS" to the other faction of the LP can be provided, the entry for the year 2006 should be revised, in keeping with NPOV guidelines. That, or post the claims of the Atienza camp.

Otherwise, that post on the 2006 event is simply a parroting of the Drilon faction's press releases. The Drilon faction has its own website, at the very least, to post stuff like that, and such propaganda should have no place in a public encyclopedia.

Also, a cursory reading of Philippine political news, even the ones in online news organizaitons, will show that the split in the Liberal Party started much earlier than the "Manila Hotel" incident of 2006. --AzurePhoenix (talk) 07:00, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Liberalism and the Postcolony

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Can someone please expand the article with the book reference Liberalism and the Postcolony?, I'm unexperienced with this type of citation and would love someone to expand the article using the reference. I made it until page 10, so you can start there. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 11:52, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 16:24, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Converted from a redirect by TheNuggeteer (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 11 past nominations.

🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 04:36, 7 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Long enough, new enough. QPQ done. Earwig highlights a couple of phrases, but I can't think of another way of wording them so calling WP:LIMITED. I think the {{improve categories}} template should be resolved. Could you talk me through the sourcing for the hook?--Launchballer 23:14, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed the improve categories tag, what do you need? 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 03:50, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not seeing where in the article the hook is spelt out, unless I'm going blind.--Launchballer 09:45, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Philippine revolution and martial law, which both signify the ideology was used in revolutions. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 04:07, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
that's not "mostly". ltbdl☃ (talk) 05:01, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What do you mean by that? 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 08:04, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The hook reads as quite unspecific and vague, the meaning is not clear to a reader with no background. It would be better to have a more specific and concrete fact. CMD (talk) 08:12, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Another hook: ALT1: ...that the first liberalist party in the Philippines ended from government suppression? SRC 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 08:25, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Better, but you'd need an end-of-sentence citation for that party being the first.--Launchballer 10:45, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What do you mean by that? 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 11:26, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The fact that the Comite de Reformadores was the first liberalist party needs an end-of-sentence citation. See that link for what that means.--Launchballer 11:29, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The sentence uses the same citation as the rest, but added just in case. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 11:31, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Let's roll.--Launchballer 11:43, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Launchballer: This fails WP:DYKTAG. Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 06:34, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In my defense, that was added after I approved this. I already fixed what I considered to be the worst errors.--Launchballer 09:17, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hook may need rewording before promotion because ALT0 just doesn't flow as it should DimensionalFusion (talk ▪ she/her) 21:35, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think a new review is required given the maintenance banner and the odd phrasing of the hook DimensionalFusion (talk · she/her) 10:06, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Since there is a standing maintenance banner and the nominator is currently at ANI with a strong consensus for a topic ban from content review processes (here), we should probably reject this nomination unless someone else wants to take conduct of it. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 01:29, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I will take a look, I seem to be able to access all but one of the sources. CMD (talk) 02:20, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Premeditated Chaos and Launchballer: I've reworked the article. It could be expanded a lot more, even from the existing sources, but it should be fine as is for DYK. I would be grateful for a third-party evaluation of whether the maintenance banner is still applicable, and handling any appropriate admin here.
I would also suggest a new hook:
CMD (talk) 06:42, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That hook fails the bit of WP:DYKHOOKSTYLE that says "the boldlinked article should generally be the main or at least a major factor in the hook", and this is more than two months old so I'm timing it out. Sorry.--Launchballer 00:40, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Following the post at WT:DYK I'm reverting the close here, the objection doesn't make sense. The bold link could not be more relevant to the hook, the hook explains how the bold link topic became dominant in the country. CMD (talk) 16:14, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Verified for ALT2. Verified that the article is long enough, that there are no plagiarism concerns through the Copyvios tool and spotchecking, and that ALT2 is sourced in the article. I agree that the {{Copy edit}} template is no longer needed after Chipmunkdavis (talk · contribs)'s excellent copyedits. I've also made a few copyedits. Cunard (talk) 09:27, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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