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--Geraldo Perez (talk) 21:14, 26 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request on 22 May 2012

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Hello,

I would like to add links to my Twitter and Facebook to my Wikipedia page. I can confirm my identity. Thanks!

https://www.facebook.com/lauramaranomusic https://twitter.com/#!/lmaranomusic

Maranoent (talk) 23:36, 22 May 2012 (UTC)Laura Maranoent (talk) 23:36, 22 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Get your account verified by twitter then we can add it to the article as an external link. Also the facebook if referenced from your verified twitter account. To many posers to just trust someone saying "this is my official account". Geraldo Perez (talk) 00:47, 23 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Actually this is unnecessary as there is already a link to your official site on the page. That page has the links to facebook and twitter so they shouldn't be added separately. Still it would be good to get your twitter account verified. Geraldo Perez (talk) 00:56, 23 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Major/minor roles

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Heya GP, with regard to my removals here of "Lead role" and "Main role", these are my arguments: 1) Roles included at Wikipedia should be notable roles to begin with. We are not IMDb. 2) Ascribing "lead" or "main" places an undue emphasis on the importance of those roles over the other notable roles. 3) WP:ANTAGONIST (a subsection at MOS:FILM) instructs us to avoid labeling characters as villains, protagonists, or even as main characters because it relies on personal interpretation. I don't see that it is materially different here, where we are interpreting "lead" and "main". More appropriate might be to indicate that she received a "starring" credit, if that's even noteworthy. 4) Christopher Lee is one of the most prolific actors of modern time. His filmography doesn't endeavor to note which films were leading or main roles. Maggie Gyllenhaal's article is Featured, and there's no attempt to catalog leading roles. Other examples from Featured Lists: Woody Allen filmography, Christian Bale filmography, Christopher Walken filmography. In fact, of the 25 filmographies listed at Wikipedia:Featured lists, only Clint Eastwood's and Arnold Schwarzenegger's bother to catalog this information. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:00, 27 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

We mustn't make personal evaluations of actor importance in projects but should reflect what sources say (show credits are sources too). If a character is in a TV series in the opening credits, that is at the very least a starring role (I consider "main" and "starring" synonyms) and will also be reflected in the infobox for the TV series. If listed first in credits and supported by secondary sources, is pretty obviously the lead. Similarly for movies depending on how the credits in a movie are presented. Guest star roles are normally explicitly stated in the credits of the project, recurring just means guest star at least more than once. These are not opinions of importance but what the sources support. This info should, in my opinion, be reflected in the credit list for that actor, as these are important distinctions for an actor. I agree that we probably needn't list "co-starring" or background minor roles in the credit list but it does show some of the acting history and is somewhat useful in aggregate for a bio article particularly for an actor with sparse history. For major actors (the exemplars you gave), pretty much every role will be "starring" after they are established. Even for them a good history should, IMO, show some progression from minor to important roles or the article will be left with the POV that they had no minor roles, but that does seem to be an editor consensus choice for a particular article. Geraldo Perez (talk) 19:44, 27 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

External image

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Should the link to an imdb image be present? According to the documentation for Template:External media, it shouldn't be used to connect to copyrighted media. Otherwise there would be links to imdb images all over the place. Or am I misunderstanding the usage of Template:External media? --‖ Ebyabe talk - Attract and Repel ‖ 17:31, 26 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The same rules apply to an external media section as apply to external links section. Can't link to copyright violations but can link to sites what are hosting content that is licenced for use on that site. IMDb is not hosting copyright violating images. IMDb is a valid external link in general so its use in external media section is also valid. The use of external media in this article is its intended use - a photo of the article subject is expected in the infobox but we can't put one there as no free-use photo is available. It will need to be removed when we add a free-use image for the infobox. More at template:external media/doc Geraldo Perez (talk) 17:56, 26 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) Hi Ebyabe The template instructions do not (in my interpretation) preclude the linking "to copyrighted media" as you say. The docs read, "According to WP:ELNEVER and WP:COPYLINK, editors must never link to content that violates copyright or is otherwise illegal." I interpret this to mean that if you are linking to a destination that is hosting copyright violations (like an uploaded TV episode on YouTube), that would not be acceptable. If IMDb is the legal owner/licensor of the content they are hosting, you should be able to link to that via this template. This might be a good question to float on the template talk page as well. I do note that the template documentation includes two examples. One appears to be a dead link, the other goes to this photo, which has a clear copyright watermarked onto it. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:01, 26 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Ebyabe and Cyphoidbomb, the Template:External media is not a license to steal clearly copyrighted images. Furthermore, there are plenty of BLP articles that do not have an image, so there's nothing special about this article. I'm tagging this article with an image request so we can move on. Geraldo Perez, please stop abusing the template and adding it to this article linked to copyrighted images. Thx, --Scalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 19:48, 8 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The rules for external media match the rules for external links. Nothing is being stolen and appropriate credit is given. As long as the site legally hosts the image it is OK to link to it. The use in this article is 100% conforment to policy and is the specified use of this template per Template:External media#When to use. There is no policy reason to remove and it improves the article to have it.
From instructions: "If an image, audio or video clip: is currently available online, cannot be uploaded to Wikipedia, even under fair-use rules, and readers will expect this type of media in the article,"
That is exactly how the template and image link is used here. Geraldo Perez (talk) 19:55, 8 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
To add - the fact that other bio article's don't take advantage of a documented feature to improve the articles is not justification to to remove it from those bio article that do use it appropriately. Geraldo Perez (talk) 20:09, 8 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Three people have told you that what you are doing is a violation, you are using WP to steal an image. You don't have to believe us, but it won't look good for you if this makes to a Noticeboard. In the mean time, I've asked an uninvolved Admin to review your use of the template and actions on the article. --Scalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 20:18, 8 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
You are misreading the comments by Ebyabe and Cyphoidbomb. I addressed the questions asked and that was the end of that discussion at that time. Your labeling this as stealing is a novel interpretation to giving a reference to material hosted on another site. There is no text or image being hosted on Wiki, just a referral. Articles do this all the time with urls in cites and external links. Nothing different with referrals in an external media section which is basically a special type of external links section. Suggest reading Template:External media/doc (and also WP:HOTLINK as hotlinking is impossible to do on Wiki). Everything I did to include the reference to to the image was done according to the instructions on how to do in the template documentation and I find no conflicts with other wiki policies. Geraldo Perez (talk) 20:54, 8 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia can link to copyrighted material provided the site in question is the copyright holder or are complying with copyright laws. Otherwise we wouldn't have {{imdb}} for example. So is the IMDB complying with copyright when hosting that photo. The image is tagged as being copyright Getty Images and a link is provided. So they probably are but it is impossible to tell for sure. There are a couple of other options that could be used to make sure that the image linked is not violating copyright. The link could be made to either Laura Marano at Getty Images or to the images at her site. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 22:50, 8 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
IMDb has declared "Image courtesy of gettyimages.com" which in my opinion is an assertion that they have received permission to host the image. Since IMDb is a valid external link we have in other cases presumed that IMDb is not hosting copyright violations. As a unit of Amazon.com I doubt IMDb would take the legal risk of making a false statement of permission so I think they merit a large amount of trust. Getty Images are generally free to be used for editorial purposes (which means we can't host them) but IMDb's usage should conform to that. I am less sure about the images on Marano's own page as private web-sites seem to be a bit loose about copyright permissions. One location that should be non-contentious is IMDb resume photos. One of the images there might be more appropriate but I don't like to reflink to just the image, like to keep the image in context of the page it is on for better attribution. Geraldo Perez (talk) 23:07, 8 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Scalhotrod's analysis is completely and utterly incorrect. On the technical side, despite what Scalhotrod asserts in edit summaries (eg [1]), linking to an external page including an image is not a violation of WP:HOTLINK, or even hotlinking at all. As the hotlink article states, the essential feature of hotlinking is "The ability to display content from one site within another." The link here, a stard format external link, does not display any any content from the linked page within Wikipedia. The content at issue is only viewed when accessing the external site outside Wikipedia. This is a simple and uncontestable point. Otherwise every link would be a hotlink, and our policies would pretty much prohibit all external links. That position is patently ridiculous.
Second, linking to an external page hosting copyrighted images violates WP:COPYVIO only if the external site neither owns rights to the images nor has properly licensed their use nor has a valid fair use claim. Otherwise, there is no copyright violation. In this case, the external site is IMDB, a reputable business owned and operated by Amazon.com. The page in question is a standard format-type html/xml page, including text, images, navigational devices, links, etc. (The relevant image is not hotlinked). This IMDB page states that the image is "[copyright] 2014 Getty Images - Image courtesy gettyimages.com". That's a standard form claim that IMDB has licensed the right to use the image from the copyright holder. Unless IMDB is engaged in copyright infringement/fraud here (and massive copyright infringement/fraud at that, since there's no reason to believe they'd be stealing only this one image), there's no copyright violation on the linked page, and therefore no violation of WP:COPYVIO.
The consequences of Scalhotrod's ersatz and virtually unique interpretation of WP:COPYVIO would, again, pretty much forbid all the standard external linking practices. We wouldn't be able to link to any official websites for article subjects which included copyrighted content. We couldn't link to IMDB, because most of its pages include copyrighted, licensed images. We couldn't link to news pages which include wire service or other licensed photos.
Put simply, our policies don't prohibit links to pages displaying copyrighted content. That would be barking mad. What's prohibited is linking to pages which display copyright-violating content. And that's simply not the case here. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) (talk) 23:37, 8 December 2014 (UTC) Note: Scalhotrod and I really don't like each other, and I'd be inclined to stay out of it if it weren't so wrongheaded and disruptive.[reply]
I just noticed the minor comment at the end of HW's remarks. For the record I do not dislike him and find that he is quite good at finding the "weaknesses" or "holes" in articles and his "corrective efforts" eventually result in the improvement of them. --Scalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 19:15, 10 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I think Scalhotrod made an honest mistake and probably doesn't need a score of scorn on the matter. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 02:19, 9 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
User:Hullaballoo Wolfowitz there was really no need for that. The fact that it is hosted by Amazon does not make it immune to copyright infringement. IMDB makes that clear here and here. It's a user generated site and that pretty much guarantees that sooner or later it will be hosting some sort of copyright violation. You can even find copyright violations on the Amazon site. Ever seen one of those books for sale that was copied directly from Wikipedia with no acknowledgement. That's a copyright violation. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 08:22, 9 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I think all that can be expected from editors on Wikipedia and legally required of Wiki foundation is a reasonable good faith effort on our parts to ensure we don't contribute to copyright violations. WP:External_links/Perennial_websites#IMDb and extensive use of IMDB as external links on relevant articles supports a general consensus on Wiki that external linking to IMDb isn't going to be a problem with respect to contributory copyright infringement. {{IMDb name|1404824}} is used in the article already and the main image on that page is marked "Photo by Collin Stark" with no permission statement, presumption again that it is hosted legally. The page I linked to that includes the image being discussed here is a complete IMDb page, not just the image itself. IMDb has asserted they have permission and gave proper attribution to where the image came from and who owns the copyright, I don't think it is necessary for us to question that. From what I know about Getty Images editorial use policy, IMDb has at least a valid fair-use claim even without the statement of permission. We are not deliberately linking to a known copyright violation and have made reasonable efforts to check that we didn't. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:46, 9 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

My apologies for the misinterpretation, this was not based on my analysis. I have seen similar uses deleted previously without contention or incident, but either this instance is different or the others misunderstood as well. The Template seems like a worthwhile tool for a myriad of articles and I am glad that its been discussed and thoroughly explained. Thank you, --Scalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 18:11, 9 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 17 August 2015

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Marano & Lynch (talk) 03:13, 17 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Laura Marano is no longer pending as a nominee for the Teen Choice Awards. Unfortunately, she lost to both nominations.

Done Stickee (talk) 03:51, 17 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 22 February 2016

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Hi? There's something I wanna add to the article

Can you please let me do it? 105.172.26.252 (talk) 13:49, 22 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

no Declined An UNAMBIGUOUSLY suggested change was not provided. Geraldo Perez (talk) 13:57, 22 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 25 April 2016

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Hi, can we add the director to Laura Marano's Boombox music video? It's Cole Walliser (he has a wiki) and the source is: http://www.videostatic.com/watch-it/2016/04/05/laura-marano-boombox-cole-walliser-dir

Thank you!

Colewalliser (talk) 06:37, 25 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Sam Sailor Talk! 15:15, 25 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 16 May 2016

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File:Laura Marano iHeart Awards.jpg I would like to suggest this picture of Laura for the article. The article looks incomplete without a picture. Farheein (talk) 09:06, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done We require free-use images for bio articles of living people. That red-carpet pro photo is not licensed for use on Wikipedia. Geraldo Perez (talk) 13:25, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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