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" John Mulholland called the speech..." An online encyclopedia that just kind of quotes anyone.... 2600:6C44:74F0:80F0:CD3D:5C56:6AF9:58FD (talk) 02:47, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

John Mulholland is a notable journalist and former editor of the Guardian, rather than quoting "just anyone". The quote is provided to add some context to the reception of the speech, with two differing viewpoints given by two notable journalists with citations, one giving the opinion that it was a cynical political entrance for Kai Trump and she was now one of the notable political figures in the Trump family, and another saying that she successfully made her grandfather appear human and succeeded as a positive political tool for her grandfather. If you would wish to add another quote and opinion, feel free to do so. Spiralwidget (talk) 14:28, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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This article was redirected per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kai Trump and was unilaterally restored by an SPA. The recent AfD (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kai Trump (2nd nomination)) resulted in "no consensus" which means the discussion to redirect is still valid and in fact the redirect would be also a valid action since:

  • 1st AfD = redirect
  • 2nd AfD = no consensus (back to status quo which was "redirect")

I don't see any significant coverage about this subject outside being a relative of Donald Trump contrary to WP:NOTINHERITED. The redirect should be restored. - Ratnahastin (talk) 04:36, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you read the AfD, I think it is clear that generally editors were leaning keep (and I was one of them). If the outcome of the AfD was no consensus, I would claim that the outcome should be status quo ante bellum, which in this case would be keeping the article in current form. A redirect at this point would not be warranted and I would oppose such a move. Spiralwidget (talk) 13:45, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The status quo was redirect which was the original consensus, your misrepresentation of the consensus is problematic. - Ratnahastin (talk) 14:02, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
AfD 1 is not the same as AfD 2. There was a significant change in the coverage of the subject between AfD 1 and AfD 2. I do not think you can claim that the consensus from AfD 1 applies here. Clearly the spirit in which the "no consensus" verdict was given was to say "the case for deletion or redirection has not been adequately supported". The null hypothesis of a deletion discussion is that the article should stand, and the burden of proof is on the people advocating for deletion in such a discussion. If you disagree with this, I would be happy to take this to WP:RFC? Spiralwidget (talk) 02:10, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]