Talk:Jamaica

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The coat of Arms

The Coat of Arms of Jamaica depicted here on this site is wrong. The Jamaican Crocodile is never green in colour. Please contact the office of chancery, Jamaica to obtain the correct Coat of Arms. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.90.218.138 (talk) 07:18, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

I have altered the old coat of arms to reflect this. I hardly see the need for "consensus" to correct an inaccurate representation especially when the correction is well-sourced. JKRichard (talk) 16:19, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

Religion

Revivalism is also one of Jamaica's popular religion. It is not stated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.244.230.114 (talk) 03:04, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

What religion are you referring to? Some sources would be helpful for its popularity in Jamaica. - BilCat (talk) 05:17, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

The Church of God and the Pentecostal church are both a part of the Revival tradition. They're covered in the Religion section.Mikesiva (talk) 11:13, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Cocoa

please change ((cocoa)) to ((Cocoa bean|cocoa))

 Done aboideau^talk 17:41, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Jamaica

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Jamaica's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "2016census":

• From Nova Scotia: "Population and dwelling counts, for Canada, provinces and territories, 2016 census". Statcan.gc.ca. 8 February 2017. Retrieved 8 February 2017.
• From Black Canadians: Census Profile, 2016 Census Statistics Canada. Accessed on 6 November 2017.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 12:52, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

Doubtful statement

The statement : Students are taught Spanish in school from the primary level upwards; about 40–45% of educated people in Jamaica knows some form of Spanish", seems incorrect to me. I' ve found this : [1], that suggest there isn't a wide knowledge of spanish in the country Alexcalamaro (talk) 13:58, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 January 2020

"Students are taught Spanish in school from the primary level upwards; about 40–45% of educated people in Jamaica knows some form of Spanish"

Add this line to the "languages" sections because Spanish is a language that is spoken here, along with Portuguese. We don't only speak English and Patois. Brianabrwon (talk) 02:58, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Both the claim of being taught in school and claim of knowledge of Spanish need reliable sources, and the number of "educated people" and level of education needs to be provided. Also useful would be the percentages/numbers that actually speak Spanish or Portuguese would be useful, along with sources, and, if available, the number who speak them as first languages, if any. - BilCat (talk) 03:48, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

LGBT rights?

This doesn't deserve its own section alongside legitimately important information like language and ethnic origins. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SlightlyInsane (talk • contribs) 13:09, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

It was originally part of the Crime section, which still had the See Also link to the LGBT rights in Jamaica article. Since the section focuses on criminal acts, I've recombined them. - BilCat (talk) 19:55, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

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Male homosexuality legality

In the "Crime" section, the statement is made that "male homosexuality is illegal". This is not factually correct. The Offences Against the Person Act, 1864 refers mainly to buggery. Section 76 of the 1864 Act described the offence as unnatural and outlined the offence and penalty as follows “whosoever shall be convicted of the abominable crime of buggery, committed either with mankind or with any animal, shall be liable to be imprisoned and kept to hard labour for a term not exceeding ten years.” Buggery is not the same as homosexuality, and it's not correct to conflate the two terms.

Semi-protected edit request on 11 September 2020

Senate of Jamaica and House of Representatives of Jamaica are linked in the infobox. The very last sentence of the introduction mentions the Senate and House, but they aren't linked. Please copy the links from the infobox to the introduction. 2601:5C6:8081:35C0:B524:D56B:7B2:4849 (talk) 22:23, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

 Not done, both links are redirects to Parliament of Jamaica. Infobox links removed. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 22:32, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

Colonial history

More work needs to be done on the colonial history in this section. I've been working on this.Mikesiva (talk) 14:12, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 January 2021

Change - "Oil spills can disrupt the marine life because the chemicals that are being spilled that should not be there" to " Oil spills can disrupt the marine life with chemicals that are not normally found in the ocean."

Change "Unfortunately oil spills is not the only form of pollution that occurs in Jamaica"

to "Unfortunately, oil spills are not the only form of pollution that occurs in Jamaica"

Innerspacecowboy (talk) 15:07, 10 January 2021 (UTC) Innerspacecowboy (talk) 15:07, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

 Done. Thank you. Your changes are obviously superior to the existing (broken English) content. I would say that entire section needs a good copyedit though.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:51, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

"Unfortunately" is considered unencyclopedic wording, so I've removed that. We don't even call the death of people "unfortunate" in Wikipedia's voice. BilCat (talk) 07:40, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 April 2021

The source (number 11) does not mention that Spanish sent African slaves to Jamaica. Thus, the sentence should be removed or corrected with a reliable source. Thank you! 2001:7E8:C834:BC00:782B:201C:F524:C699 (talk) 17:43, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: the first sentence in the source covers this: "The island - discovered by Christopher COLUMBUS in 1494 - was settled by the Spanish early in the 16th century. The native Taino, who had inhabited Jamaica for centuries, were gradually exterminated and replaced by African slaves." Thank you for your input! P.I. Ellsworth  ed. ^put'r there 20:54, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 May 2021

Jamaicans of African descent represent 76.3% of the population, followed by 15.1% Afro-European, 3.4% East Indian and Afro-East Indian, 3.2% Caucasian, 1.2% Chinese and 0.8% other. 2A02:C7D:F24A:3F00:79B6:56E9:53E5:1415 (talk) 19:41, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 19:55, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

Sports | Sanya Richards-Ross? What about Donovan Bailey?

The mentioning of Jamaican-American Sanya Richards-Ross should also include Former 2-time Olympic Gold medalist & World Champion Jamaican-Canadian Donovan Bailey.

Semi-protected edit request on 3 September 2021

Remove the "royal anthem" section, which this source identified as nationalanthems.info as a self-published source. 49.150.116.127 (talk) 09:02, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

 Done ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:53, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

Suggestion for section on science and technology

Hi, just a suggestion, many country articles have sections for 'science and technology', this could be a section on this article as well.

Thanks

John Cummings (talk) 09:34, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

Science and technology in Jamaica

There is a stub article on the subject: Science_and_technology_in_Jamaica

We could insert/integrate the stub into this article and delete the original stub. Or we could leave the stub article independent, keep expanding it and insert a small section/paragraph in this article with links to the stub ?

Opinions on this would be appreciated.

Thanks Koppite1 (talk) 11:35, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Enslaved vs. slave

It has become increasingly common to change the language around slavery. For example, see This from the US National Parks Service or this from the Underground Railroad History Center. Rather than start an edit war, I would like to develop a consensus here about this edit.--User:Namiba 15:14, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Films section

In the Films section, it is mentioned that "Jamaica is also often used as a filming location, such as the James Bond film Dr. No (1962)", etc. I'd like to suggest Steven Seagal's 1990s "Marked for Death" to be included in this section since the movie was not only partially filmed in Jamaica, but it includes Jamaican actor Basil Wallace, and Jimmy Cliff who not only appears in the movie as himself but also collaborated with the soundtrack, creating songs specifically for this film, alongside other notorious Jamaican musicians who were also part of the soundtrack for this film such as Peter Tosh and Shabba Ranks.

References:

1) http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Marked_for_Death

2) http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Marked_for_Death_(soundtrack) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2401:7000:DB59:D600:4835:8DE9:9782:4996 (talk) 05:04, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

Questionable claim

This edit was made recently by User:Pajfarmor. It introduced a claim that Ian Fleming only used Jamaican locations that he himself had been to in James Bond novels. The user did not explain why they made this change, nor provide a reliable source. They have a long, long history of making changes to articles that may appear superficially reasonable but are often questionable and sometimes simply nonsensical. So, I am posting here to suggest that someone might like to assess this claim. If it is verifiable, please add a source. If it is not, then please remove it. 51.6.138.24 (talk) 22:03, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

I see that the claim has been removed. Thanks for looking into it. 51.6.138.24 (talk) 09:59, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 November 2021

It says Dr No is the only Bond film set in Jamaica. This is no longer true- much of No Time to Die is set there. 2A01:4C8:483:A03D:1:2:1A56:E186 (talk) 21:52, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. BilCat (talk) 22:11, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of "Template:Largest cities of Jamaica"

Template:Largest cities of Jamaica has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. --Triggerhippie4 (talk) 10:47, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 December 2021

"Tourist attractions include Dunn's River Falls in St. Ann, YS Falls in St. Elizabeth, the Blue Lagoon in Portland, believed to be the crater of an extinct volcano[citation needed]" I found a citation from the government website that backs up this claim: https://portlandmc.gov.jm/attractions/blue-lagoon FiveXdollars (talk) 23:36, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. BilCat (talk) 00:47, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Crime section

I'm thinking of removing the entire crime section from this article and instead, leaving at the bottom of the page in the see also section, a link to http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Crime_in_Jamaica

Looking at other articles regarding nations with similar crime issues, e.g. Columbia, Albania, Pakistan etc--they all have NO crime section in their main body article. Instead, a link refers readers to main crime article. In fact, just looking at various countries in the Caribbean/Latin America region, Trinidad & Tobago, Guyana, Venezuela, Honduras and Brazil all have higher crime rates than Jamaica yet do not have a specific crime section in the body of their main articles. For the sake of consistency, I think we should do the same here for Jamaica. If there are no objections, i will remove the crime section and instead leave a link referring to main crime article Koppite1 (talk) 11:26, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Renamed from what ?

Re: "England ... conquered it, renaming it Jamaica". Renamed FROM WHAT? Bhami (talk) 00:18, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for spotting that. I checked the history, and it used to say, " Named Santiago", but was removed by User:Zurkhardo in this diff. I'll restore it. BilCat (talk) 00:40, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

My apologies for the error, thank you @BilCat and @Bhami Zurkhardo (talk) 20:22, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

@Zurkhardo: No worries, it happens sometimes. We all make mistakes, errors, or oversights. BilCat (talk) 22:54, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

History of Name

There needs to be more accuracy on how the name was developed. It was not originally developed by the British but an adaptation of the taino/Arawak name, Xaymaca. 72.27.173.116 (talk) 20:10, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Where does it say it was developed by the British? BilCat (talk) 20:23, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Island's prehistory in lead

The lead should be able to stand alone as a concise summary of the body. In the body, the prehistory was skipped, so I added a little. BilCat then changed this...

Little is known of the people who inhabited the island thousands of years ago. The indigenous Taíno people arrived c AD 800 and still inhabited the island in 1494 when Christopher Columbus arrived and put the island under Spanish rule.

back to this...

Originally inhabited by the indigenous Taíno peoples, the island came under Spanish rule following the arrival of Christopher Columbus in 1494.

which contradicts the body. BilCat gives no reference to policy or guidelines to justify this change, so maybe they can offer some explanation here. What do people think? Jonathan Tweet (talk) 17:46, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 December 2022

Change all instances of Elizabeth II to Charles III. Following the death of Her Majesty the Queen on 8/9/2022, King Charles III became the king of the United Kingdom and all other Commonwealth realms, including Jamaica, thus he should be listed as head of state. 2001:818:E88E:3100:1980:6091:544B:D450 (talk) 22:35, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

 Done, found one picture only. Let me know if there are more. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 09:19, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Lester Holt

Father was African American, mother was 15% Indian, so it’s disingenuous to call him Indo-Jamaican. 2601:640:C402:5510:2CCB:E12B:1FBC:1570 (talk) 23:44, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Miss Universe winner Yendi Phillips

Miss Jamaica World and Miss Universe winner Yendi Phillips is Lebanese and Black/African ancestors, not Indo-Jamaican. 2601:640:C402:5510:2CCB:E12B:1FBC:1570 (talk) 23:46, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Wrong HDI

Jamaica's HDI is 0.709, not 0.734. 82.130.191.25 (talk) 09:47, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 4 April 2023

Jamaican English is not the official language of Jamaica. False documents providing that it is will be removed. The official language of the government and people of Jamaica is English, standard English. Jamaican patois is the secondary language, part of its cultural identity. Wikipedia is under audit by INTERPOL and the United Nations. Carindian11 (talk) 15:44, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. —Sirdog (talk) 15:53, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

"Wikipedia is under audit by INTERPOL and the United Nations." Really? Then you shouldn't be revealing that publicly. BilCat (talk) 19:07, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

Outdated

As Jamaica develops, the information in this article becomes more and more obsolete. I know that this is not exactly a high priority article, however the information is antiquated to the point where it is impractical to look at the article for reliable information on the country. Can we please have a few edits with the pictures and stats? For example, the pictures are all taken in the early 2000s, and in some cases before that. The statistics charts are all outdated as well. The pictures reflect the innacurate information in the article it self. For example, the picture of the army shows soldiers training with guns that are not even used by Jamaica any more (they now use M16s). I have tried to add pictures in this article and articles about this country where I can, but they have been deleted for some reason. Since there seems to be a problem with my edits, I am reaching out to others for help on improving this article. Dario DeCasseres (talk) 12:42, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

New file for the royal anthem?

The current audio file plays "God Save the Queen" and not "God Save the King", as shown in the file's description page. OMGShay 92 (talk) 10:54, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Word definition

What does murderous mean in this statement? Jamaica (/dʒəˈmeɪkə/ ⓘ; Jamaican Patois: Jumieka, [dʒʌˈmʲeːka]) is a murderous island country situated in the Caribbean Sea. 38.134.12.58 (talk) 19:00, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 November 2023

Change "Jamaica (/dʒəˈmeɪkə/ ⓘ; Jamaican Patois: Jumieka, [dʒʌˈmʲeːka]) is a murderous island country situated in the Caribbean Sea" to "Jamaica (/dʒəˈmeɪkə/ ⓘ; Jamaican Patois: Jumieka, [dʒʌˈmʲeːka]) is a island country situated in the Caribbean Sea" I believe someone vandalized this page and added the phrase murderous to it. Greatmoreo (talk) 20:21, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

 Already done Hyphenation Expert (talk) 20:36, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 December 2023

130.43.180.52 (talk) 21:39, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

143th GDP??? Should be 143rd.

 Done Liu1126 (talk) 11:42, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Eric G. is also a very athletic Jamaican he's going to be in the HOF of football or basketball — Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.19.40.165 (talk) 18:23, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 January 2024

Need to add a description to the map in the Template:Infobox country as below: | map_caption = Jamaica shown in dark green or | map_caption = Location of Jamaica Qaraqalpaqpan (talk) 01:09, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

 Not done for now: Please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template.

Review MOS:CAPOBVIOUS. Also look at other country pages to see if they match the lack of a caption, such as United States, Laos, etc. One page that does something similar is Bulgaria, but this is because the caption contains more sustenance, as it highlights the area relative to the European Union.
— Urro^{[talk][edits]} 12:58, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Prehistory

In the Prehistory part: Some adjustments should be made in accordance to the main article ‘Pre-Columbian Jamaica’, also an additive ‘AD’ should be attached to the dates. 2A05:BB80:7:E265:F8C0:9134:12F6:BFA7 (talk) 14:33, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

I recently took a brief look at 'Pre-Columbian Jamaica' when I made an edit in the 'Prehistory' section in this article, but didn't notice anything glaring. I will take a closer look to see what may need to be done. As for adding 'AD' to dates, the Manual of Style advises against using 'CE' or 'AD' "except to avoid ambiguity or awkwardness", which is not the case here. Donald Albury 18:03, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Jamaica Per Capita is Rank in mid 90s

Jamaica Per capita is not 101st Its lower 173.225.242.190 (talk) 15:00, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

 Done Edited to match list article (95th). Donald Albury 17:07, 30 November 2024 (UTC)