Talk:Irena Grafenauer

History of changes

I looked to last few changes to the article and found they were technical - changes in templates in last few years and no major changes in contents. The last data was probably about Irena Grafenauer 5 or more years ago. I'll see if I can do something about updating with more recent info.

On poorly sourced and potentially libelous

I'll see what I can do to make threat of removing data go away from both points ;-)

On possible libelous content

I'd like to see what part of article the person that added that template had in mind as potentially libelous. I am a relative of Irena Grafenauer (big family with a lot of relatives). We were close when kids, but I didn't follow her career in deail. Anyway, reading the article I didn't see anything libelous at first glance, but Ican ask her to look, too, when we meet next.

On poorly sourced

I glanced through this article and through article Irena Grafenauer on Slovenian wikipedia and it seems the data on en wikipedia are a subset of data on Slovenian page, but nothing seemed evidently wrong.
If/when I find time, I'll add here links to sources cited on slo wikipedia article first (then problem of poor referencing should go away) and when/if I find more time, add translated data that is available there and missing here, but if somebody can do that before me, s/he is welcome.

How I intend to do it, if nobody is quicker

Link to Slo wikipedia article I gave here works, so reliable sources are available for someone else to update this article, if s/he finds time before me.
If not, Il prepare text here (citation references first, translations of material missing here, later) for somebody to look through, mostly from the side of what would be of interest of English reading people what maybe not. --Marjan Tomki SI (talk) 21:46, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

I learned a bit about Wikipedia editing since, but still have little time to do it.

Additional info is, that her first music teacher was her father Stanko Grafenauer, otherwise known as mineralogist, geologist, mining engineer and university professor. He had also studied - and graduated - 10 years of violin (and was deciding between musical and mineralogist career, where outdoors geology and mining one won at the time).

When Irena was about 6, while family was camping at Medulin (Croatia) in summer holidays, and during an excursion from there to Trieste Stanko baught a blockflaute (soprano) for himself. When they returned to Medulin preschool or so Irena instantly confiscated it to play with it - and soon more. So the family made another trip to Trieste and Stanko bought another (alto) for himself, and they played (for joy, not to achieve a goal what she needed to learn.

I know how Stanko could make music interesting myself: my music teacher tired to make me play required etudes which I did best to evade, Stanko who stoped by returning from shop in Trenta where I was for a fortnight in summer too, made it interesting to experiment with my instrument with joy and I used to do it several hours each time) together for two years before she entered formal music education.

Those two years of joyful play with music, together with her father no doubt was a vital part of the seed for Irena's love of music.

The second - first formal - music teacher - was Rudi Pok, who - with help of her father - had succeeded to help her keep her joy in music. From age 8 on she absorbed two years lessons matter in each year, and if I recall correctly she graduated previous stages at Musics and ballet Gimnasium Ljubljana (sl:Srednja glasbena in baletna šola Ljubljana) with graduation concert at fourteen or so. I recall she played Rimsky-Korsakov: Flight of the Bumblebee much faster than usual at the time: not that she couldn't even at least twice as fast as she did, but she had chosen the speed where you would hear the bumblebee's sound, but still just heard it was the flute.

As far as I know the Irena Grafenauer's last exam needed for her Conservatorium diploma to become valid was the maturity exam of the gimnasium, which she did when she was about 18; all conservatorium subjects etc. have already been done before.

I have problem to confirm Pok (he is mentioned as mentor of some exclellent flautists, but not on the list of teachers and not of Irena Grafenauer as far as I could find yet. I may need to go to that school archive (but that would be OR) - so this is both a bit on standby; when I locate references to cite I'll add to the article.

The next teachers I knew of are all already listed in the article.

Notice: I mentioned both Grafenauers (father and daughter) here by first names, mostly to avoid confusion. Marjan Tomki SI (talk) 07:21, 1 February 2025 (UTC)