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A fact from Ingush towers appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 26 February 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Ingushetia is often called the "land of towers" after the Ingush towers (examples pictured), unique medieval monuments found throughout the region?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2024/February. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Ingush towers.

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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 23:14, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Pyaling tower complex in Ingushetia

... that Ingushetia is often called “the country of towers" after the Ingush towers, unique medieval monuments found throughout the region? Source: In the Middle Ages, a period of revival of the tower culture of the North Caucasus began, the phenomenon of which, according to researchers, mostly manifested in the mountains of Ingushetia, which was labeled by many as “the country of towers", to the extent that in 2022 the region's tourism committee announced that the Federal Service for Intellectual Property (Russia) patented the slogan "Ingushetia — Country of Towers". link: https://gazetaingush.ru/news/komitet-po-turizmu-regiona-poluchil-patent-na-ispolzovanie-slogana-ingushetiya-rodina-bashen
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Created by Muqale (talk). Self-nominated at 06:57, 11 December 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Ingush towers; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

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QPQ: Done.

Overall: Very good first article, thank you. No need for QPQ, article long enough, cited, picture freely licensed, passes earwig, all good to go. Onceinawhile (talk) 23:16, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This hook was pulled from the Queue. The text from WT:DYK has been copy-pasted below. When this is resolved, this can be reapproved. Z1720 (talk) 16:04, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is uncited prose in the article, which I have marked with a cn tag. I also think the block quote at the end of the "Towers with pyramidal roofs" section is too long and opens Wikipedia up to copyright concerns. This should be summarised in the article instead. Z1720 (talk) 18:40, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are more issues. The quote about the "land of towers" translates as "birthplace of towers" for me. Also, this looks like an unattributed translation from ruwiki. —Kusma (talk) 19:00, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Kusma, the Russian word "родина" translates as "homeland". As a proficient Russian and English speaker, I didn't feel that "homeland of towers" was a good way to translate the slogan, so I shortened it to "land of towers". But if you feel that "homeland of towers" is more accurate, I have no issues with keeping your suggestion. Muqale⠀ོ 18:24, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Muqale, I think the source with "родина башен" is not sufficient for the "country of towers" claim in the hook. Speaking of sources, I just checked Dolgieva et al. p 136 ([1]), and could not see any mention of Ingushetia as "country of towers". Could you give a more explicit source that confirms "country of towers" or "land of towers" instead of "homeland of towers"? —Kusma (talk) 20:25, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Muqale: Please respond to the above. Z1720 (talk) 16:18, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: the following was posted by Muqale directly on Talk:Ingush towers rather than posted to this template; I have moved the below comments from there to here, adjusted the indentation to fit, and am pinging Kusma, who this is a response to: BlueMoonset (talk) 22:02, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1. The statement in the article has a reference to the state newspaper of the Republic of Ingushetia in which the tourism committee announced the patent approval for the slogan. See here

2. Two other references to books are alse linked to this statement in the article:

a) Basilov, Vladimir; Kobychev, Veniamin (1971). "Галгай — страна башен" [Galgai: country of towers] (PDF). Советская этнография (in Russian) (3). Moscow: Nauka: 120–135. (p.s.: Ghalghai is the self-name of the Ingush people)

b) Tarakanova, Marina (2023). Самые лучшие места России и мира 4D [The best places in Russia and the world 4D] (in Russian). Nalchik: Mezhizdat. pp. 50–51. ISBN 978-5-17-152205-6. (see first paragraph on page 51) --Muqale 02:05, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kusma please advise if the above solves the issues. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 01:48, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

AirshipJungleman29, these citations are enough for the "land of towers". I don't have time to look at the article thoroughly right now, please continue any re-review without me. —Kusma (talk) 19:05, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1: ... that Ingushetia is often called "the land of towers" after the Ingush towers, unique medieval monuments found throughout the region? seems to be alright, per above, but there is still the matter of the lengthy quote Muqale, which needs to be paraphrased or cut. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 21:18, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest this little modification for ALT1 hook because I think Ingushetia deserves to be linked:

ALT1a: ... that Ingushetia is often called "the land of towers" after the Ingush towers, unique medieval monuments found throughout the region?

Since I checked Basilov, Tarakanova and Dolgieva sources and all mention "Страна башен" and "страны башен" when referring to Ingushetia, I consider the references' hook solved. Muqale, the only thing left for the hook of the article to be approved is to remove the quote from "Towers with pyramidal roofs" section as AirshipJungleman29 mentioned. --2x2leax (talk) 05:15, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@2x2leax I have removed the quote from 'Towers with pyramidal roofs'. ALT1a hook also looks good to me. Muqale 22:28, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1a hook accepted. Congratulations! --2x2leax (talk) 03:19, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pictures Wasted In Lead

These are fabulous pictures. They are currently wasted crammed into the tiny lead box. Fine if you had 5-10 more to fill out the article, where they can be admired in all their glory. I'll wait a bit for comment, but if no-one adds any more pictures, I'll spread them out like in every other Wikipedia article. cheers all. Billyshiverstick (talk) 09:41, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]