Talk:Hoopoe

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In May 29th 2008 the Hoopoe was declared by Israel as its national bird.

Kosher or not?

Deuteronomy 14:11-18 (in Russian) prohibits hoopoe food - non-kosher:

и цапли, и зуя с породою его, и удода, и нетопыря.

English King James bible, instead, prohibits lapwing:

18 And the stork, and the heron after her kind, and the lapwing, and the bat.

Which are correct? Original hebrew text is

11 כָּל־צִפֹּ֥ור טְהֹרָ֖ה תֹּאכֵֽלוּ׃ 12 וְזֶ֕ה אֲשֶׁ֥ר לֹֽא־תֹאכְל֖וּ מֵהֶ֑ם הַנֶּ֥שֶׁר וְהַפֶּ֖רֶס וְהָֽעָזְנִיָּֽה׃ 13 וְהָרָאָה֙ וְאֶת־הָ֣אַיָּ֔ה וְהַדַּיָּ֖ה לְמִינָֽהּ׃ 14 וְאֵ֥ת כָּל־עֹרֵ֖ב לְמִינֹֽו׃ 15 וְאֵת֙ בַּ֣ת הַֽיַּעֲנָ֔ה וְאֶת־הַתַּחְמָ֖ס וְאֶת־הַשָּׁ֑חַף וְאֶת־הַנֵּ֖ץ לְמִינֵֽהוּ׃ 16 אֶת־הַכֹּ֥וס וְאֶת־הַיַּנְשׁ֖וּף וְהַתִּנְשָֽׁמֶת׃ 17 וְהַקָּאָ֥ת וְאֶֽת־הָרָחָ֖מָה וְאֶת־הַשָּׁלָֽךְ׃ 18 וְהַ֣חֲסִידָ֔ה וְהָאֲנָפָ֖ה לְמִינָ֑הּ וְהַדּוּכִיפַ֖ת וְהָעֲטַלֵּֽף׃

What's there in the original? NVO (talk) 18:06, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

I don't read Hebrew, but other waders are popular food items (snipe, woodcock etc) and lapwings aren't "dirty" birds or scavengers. Just a guess, but since the Hoopoe is rare in Britain, the lapwing might have been substituted - long crest, (fairly) long bill? jimfbleak (talk) 05:20, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

But why? Some animal being rare in the locality doesn't seem to me a reason to change the text to claim that some other animal is a forbidden food instead.

Anyway, we have דוכיפת as the Hebrew name of the bird on the caption here and the Hebrew WP. Google Translate agrees with this, and gives וְהַדּוּכִיפַ֖ת (from the quoted passage above) as "And Hoopoe". And for the record, the NIV translation of 14:18 is "the stork, any kind of heron, the hoopoe and the bat."

A footnote in the NIV points out that the precise identification of some of the animals is uncertain, but I'd expect that the Hebrew WP article has been written by native Hebrew speakers. But then again, can we expect Biblical and modern Hebrew to coincide in this respect? — Smjg (talk) 13:12, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

I'm an Israeli Jew. The hoopoe is not Kosher. It was chosen as the national bird because it lives in Israel, it is colorful, is a singing bird, and appears in the Bible.

There were elections and it won 35%. Other candidates were the kingfisher, the graceful prinia, the lesser kestrel, the Spur-winged lapwing, the barn owl, the goldfinch and the griffon vulture. The graceful prinia was second with 10% of the votes. As far as I know, none of them is Kosher, and even if any of them originally is, it is not eaten. Noavic (talk) 01:03, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Israel's national bird should have been the chicken! Its kosher, and makes delicious chicken soup! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.30.12.7 (talk) 11:52, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

The description section

The description section contains such things as "The song", "The nest", is this considered proper writing?
Also, as far as it is kosher or not, the text you brought most certainly does specify the Hoopoe in its current modern Hebrew name as not kosher. However there are disputes as to if the bird referred to by that name is indeed the Hoopoe or not (there are similar disputes I believe, over many other poorly defined animals). KimiSan (talk) 15:31, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Need Help Under "Breeding"

The article says: "by around day days feather quills emerge" - any idea how many days? Paulburnett (talk) 13:45, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Seems like under a week per http://www.coraciiformestag.com/Research/hoopoe%20paper.pdf but would be best to have the HBW content as indicated in the ref. Shyamal (talk) 03:27, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

That would be me being absent minded. I'll dig out the book tonight and fix that. Sabine's Sunbird talk 04:00, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Still waiting! Caeruleancentaur (talk) 13:00, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Good lord! I left this way too long. Fixed now. Sorry! Sabine's Sunbird talk 20:57, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Punjab state bird?

Apparently not. Most of the articles I've googled state that the goshawk is Punjab's state bird. Apparently the hoopoe is dying off due to pesticides and fertilizers. Caeruleancentaur (talk) 01:49, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Excitement in Australia

Birding lists are aflutter about this in Broome. Hopefully its record will appear in a reliable source soon :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:50, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

• Not sure if it is considered RS but one of my fellow bloggers at 10,000 Birds covered the story. Sabine's Sunbird talk 20:57, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Food

I've observed a Hoopoe seek with its beak under a metallic roof flashing where there is a House Sparrow's nest. It would seem likely that it was after an egg or a newly-hatched bird. Is there any record of them eating eggs or nestling birds? If so, this should be mentioned in the article. Also Sparrows were observed mobbing a Hoopoe, suggesting they were under threat. Devilinhell (talk) 09:02, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Photo of partially destroyed nest with 2 hoopoes available Devilinhell (talk) 16:14, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Call

Have made some minor modifications in the article Devilinhell (talk) 16:32, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

These have been removed: why?

Devilinhell (talk) 15:56, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

As far as I can see, you have make one edit which still stands Jimfbleak - talk to me? 17:47, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Upupa paradisea

What is this species now? FunkMonk (talk) 13:51, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Approximate Range image

The small version of the "Approximate Range" image (i.e. before click-through) has too many colors. Dark green in the full image is showing as light green in some parts (as well as a muddy brown in Madagascar). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.181.87.87 (talk) 18:02, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

In Kuwait, which appears in white on the distribution map, I often saw flocks of some dozens of these unmistakable, crested, incongrously conspicuous birds. They were known locally as Hoodhood (phonetic approximation), presumably a name of onomatopoeic origin. These sightings were in the 1960s and 1970s. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Silicanite (talk • contribs) 17:46, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm working in Kuwait and I've just seen one this afternoon (22/4/13) on the southern border with Saudi Arabia. No idea which subspecies.Slapchips (talk) 12:03, 22 April 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Slapchips (talk • contribs) 11:57, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Hoopoe eggs

A recent article by National Geographic discusses the uropigial gland of the Hoopoe and how it discolors the bird's eggs by covering them with the secretions to work as an antibiotic to the eggs, which are unusually porous.

It even mentions the inaccuracy in Wikipedia in the first paragraph. 173.166.93.49 (talk) 19:39, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

References

Merge subspecies stubs?

There is at least one stub about a subspecies, Madagascan hoopoe. Isn't it, and potential other articles, better off merged here? This article doesn't even link to it. FunkMonk (talk) 12:12, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

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How large are they, how much does an adult weigh?

I see there’s a section of the possibility of “eating them”, so, like a quail? Starling? Hummingbird? Emu? 02:49, 20 August 2023 (UTC) Pommer Pommer 02:49, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

Because the article is about the genus, matters of size and weight are discussed in the articles on specific species of hoopoe.--Mr Fink (talk) 03:28, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank ye kindly! 00:51, 21 August 2023 (UTC) Pommer