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The act doesn’t actually say “Don’t Say Gay”.
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Saw something interesting in another article I wanted to add in the Aftermath section, but I can't edit it with the extended protection thing:

Beginning in 2022, several Republican lawmakers vowed to oppose any future attempt to extend the copyright term due to Disney's opposition of the Florida Parental Rights in Education Act.^[1] 79.24.89.122 (talk) 22:53, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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^ Martín, Hugo (May 11, 2022). "Republicans took away Disney's special status in Florida. Now they're gunning for Mickey himself". Los Angeles Times. Archived from the original on May 11, 2022. Retrieved January 22, 2023.

Claims that Fox News uses the term "'Don't Say Gay' bill" in headlines

I just removed a claim that Fox News used the term "'Don't Say Gay' bill" in headlines and replaced it with a claim that Fox News affiliates have used the term in headlines. The original claim, based on the given reference, is between misleading and outright false, possibly intentionally so. The supporting reference linked to a local Fox affiliate in Cleveland[1], but the Fox affiliate explicitly notes on their website that article was from AP. The Wikipedia reference, however, claimed the website was a "Fox News" (including Wikilink); one would have click on the source to realize it was not the actual "Fox News" website.

After looking into it, the vast majority of articles from Fox News that involve the term "'Don't Say Gay' bill" are outright calling the term "false" or are otherwise attacking or attempting to dispel or disprove the term (as would be expected). The closest thing I could find to the actual Fox News website using it was the headline, "Former Florida state rep who sponsored 'Don't Say Gay' bill breaks silence after prison sentence: 'Dark days'"[2]. However, the same article states, "sponsoring a parental rights bill Democrats referred to as the "Don’t Say Gay" bill" and "The bill sparked a national firestorm as Democrats and media outlets quickly dubbed the bill "Don't Say Gay" legislation despite the word gay not appearing anywhere in the bill's text." In summary, the original reference should not be used to support the claim that Fox News has used the headline "'Don't Say Gay' bill". One could possibly argue that Fox News did use it in a headline based on the one I discussed, but I would probably consider this a half truth when considering the broader context of not only the language of the article using it, but the overwhelming number of headlines and articles from Fox News explicitly attacking the term. While I added a source from a Fox News affiliate and corrected the article to say that it is from a Fox News affiliate, I don't know if a Fox News affiliate using the term is notable for the article, or if the entire reference to "Fox News" using the term should be removed. Wikipedialuva (talk) 06:58, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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References 1 through 4 on this article all link to the same Florida House of Representatives bill text PDF. If I'm correct about this being a worthy change, could these be compacted into one reference that all of the in-text citations link to? (As in WP:REPEATCITE, I would assume using named references) Nerdy314 (talk) 07:00, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I just caught another instance of this with references 103 and 104 (Florida Senate bill website) if that could be fixed as well. Nerdy314 (talk) 07:05, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done oh it's another π fan, yay! 『π』BalaM314 〘talk〙 10:37, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can we add a link to the statute?

It was a little challenging for me to find the statute. I believe it's 1001.42.

Is there an appropriate place in the article to put it? For example, second sentence of the lede, "The law..." followed by (1001.42) in parentheses with a direct external link? I'm not sure of the best way to do this, in part because the site shows the law as of today, and past and future may differ. Tuckerlieberman (talk) 21:49, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The external links section at the bottom? Dronebogus (talk) 10:09, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How about both? I added it to the External Links and the second ¶ of the lead (first ¶ is about the bill; becoming law is the second). Great catch, @Tuckerlieberman. Cheers, Last1in (talk) 13:36, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Dronebogus @Last1in Thank you! Tuckerlieberman (talk) 15:15, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 24 February 2025

It has been proposed in this section that Florida Parental Rights in Education Act be renamed and moved to Don't Say Gay law.

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Florida Parental Rights in Education Act → Don't Say Gay law – Per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:NCGAL acts of legislation should be referred to by the most common name reliable sources use to describe them. The most common name for this law is the "Don't Say Gay law".

Comparing the number of Google search results published in 2022 or later for the queries "parental rights in education act" "florida" and "don't say gay law" "florida" shows a ratio of 15,500:62,500 in favor of the latter; narrowing the search results to just news shows an even higher disparity in usage with a ratio of 1,220:7,270, and limiting the results to only books, likewise, proves the latter to be the more common name with a ratio of 157:355 between the two.

Most reliable sources also seem to prefer the name "Don't Say Gay law", for example, NPR[3][4], TIME[5], NYT[6], PBS[7], The Independent[8], ABC[9] and others. Even the article's Etymology section acknowledges that the law is more commonly known as Don't Say Gay or as Don't Say Gay or Trans. A quick ctrl+f search over the references used in the article returns 78 matches for "Don't Say Gay", while a search for "Parental Rights" returns only 5.

For these reasons, i believe the article should be renamed as either "Don't Say Gay law" or simply "Don't Say Gay". Gremlin of the wiki (talk) 04:38, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per WP:NPOVTITLE. While this name is commonly used, it is not overwhelming enough to use this name over a more neutral article title.

Rafts of Calm (talk) 23:45, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

[Martín2022-1] Martín, Hugo (May 11, 2022). "Republicans took away Disney's special status in Florida. Now they're gunning for Mickey himself". Los Angeles Times. Archived from the original on May 11, 2022. Retrieved January 22, 2023.

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