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RfC (August 2018)

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The following text was repeatedly introduced by Marjdabi to the lead section:

Egypt's current government which came to power following a [[Egyptian coup d'état of 2013|coup]] is described as a [[military dictatorship]], under which [[Egyptian presidential election, 2018|free elections]] are not allowed to take place.<ref>{{cite web|title=Egypt: Planned Presidential Vote Neither Free Nor Fair |url=https://www.hrw.org/news/2018/02/13/egypt-planned-presidential-vote-neither-free-nor-fair|accessdate=26 August 2018}}</ref>

Should we include this? Or, to be more specific, should we include the "military dictatorship" and 2018 election part? Fitzcarmalan (talk) 18:17, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Perhaps military dictatorship is a bit overdue, but Egypt is under Military Government since the Coup and elections are partly mentioned as they were not free. Recent events which are significant in a country are usually given one or two sentences in the lede. It is no doubt that there are no fair elections taking place in Egypt and current government was formed by the coup. Marjdabi (talk) 18:27, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Where are your high-quality sources referring to Egypt as a "military government"? Does your HRW source use that term? Does it explicitly say that free elections are "not allowed" in Egypt? Does the tone of your addition strike you as NPOV (it obviously does, since you're the one who added it)? And why do you think this is worth mentioning in the lead after all the arguments that were raised against the material?

And, technically, the Sisi government came through an election, regardless of whether it was free or not. It was the interim government presided over by Adly Mansour that was formed as a result of the coup. So this is also inaccurate.

Recent events which are significant in a country are usually given one or two sentences in the lede. - I don't disagree. But it has to be brief and, more importantly, should adhere to our NPOV policy. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 18:54, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Looking through the provided source, it makes no reference to Egypt as a "military dictatorship", and merely denounce's the country's lack of a free election. In light of this, I would argue that we could replace the controversial text with something like "Egypt's current government was formed following the 2018 elections. These elections were criticized as unfair by several regional and international watchdog groups, as the previous government led by incumbent Abdel Fattah el-Sisi imprisoned and otherwise harassed opposition candidates, preventing them from running against el-Sisi. Prior to the most recent elections, el-Sisi first assumed the presidency following elections in 2014, which themselves were a consequence of a military coup led by el-Sisi, who was then the head of the Egyptian Armed Forces." Rosguill (talk) 17:56, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

You're not suggesting we include this whole paragraph in the lead, are you? I'm fine with it being merged as it is into the "Law" section or its subsections, but absolutely not in the lead unless your can come up with a version of it that is significantly trimmed and includes a mention of the 2011 revolution. That was actually the main point of contention in the above discussion. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 19:39, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

Fair point, I originally thought it would be for the lead but it became too long. Maybe just including something like "In 2011, the government was deposed in the Egyptian revolution of 2011. The government formed by Mohamed Morsi after the following elections was also met with widespread protest, leading to a military coup in 2013 and a new presidential election that resulted in the election of General Abdel Fattah el-Sisi. The 2018 presidential election, in which el-Sisi was reelected, has been criticized as unfair by several regional and international watchdog groups". It's only a line shorter, but also provides context about the 2011 Revolution Rosguill (talk) 21:09, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

This is even longer than the originally contested material. Not sure if you've noticed, but the lead makes no mention of major events (e.g. nationalization of the Suez Canal) and figures (e.g. Nasser) in the republic's history. And rightfully so. Events and decisions are attributed to Egypt, as in "Egypt signed the Camp David Accords" instead of mentioning Sadat, the leader behind the peace initiative with Israel. On the other hand, it mentions relatively minor events like the short-lived federation with Syria and the occupation of Gaza. And now we're going to mention the 2014 and 2018 elections? Almost every single election held in Egypt was controversial, and watchdogs have been criticizing them since 2005. We're also mentioning Morsi but not the Muslim Brotherhood. The organization itself is way more significant than the politician who represented it in the presidency and whose tenure lasted only a year. But even so, I don't think either of them deserve to be mentioned in the lead of an article covering such broad topic. What I actually had in mind was a very slight modification to the last sentence in the third paragraph: The country continues to face challenges, from political unrest, including the recent 2011 revolution and its aftermath, to terrorism and economic underdevelopment. Per MOS:LEAD, I believe this is what's required from lead sections of country articles when it comes to summarizing recent events. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 18:38, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

I'm in favor of this proposal. Rosguill^talk 18:59, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

• Rfc is premature; please withdraw – This Rfc is inappropriate at the present time. As one can see from the section above, this is essentially a dispute between two editors, and as such, it does not satisfy WP:RFCBEFORE. Other remedies are available, such as WP:3O and Dispute resolution, which should have been tried first before raising an Rfc. More importantly, however, is that this is essentially an editor behavioral issue, and not a content dispute at all. It involves Edit warring, and similar behavior by the same user on three other articles is the subject of this EW noticeboard request ^(Permalink) which has resulted in a one-week block for Marjdabi (talk · contribs). This should resolve the problem, at least for the time being. The editor behavior is what is at issue here, not a content dispute. The Rfc is premature. The problem with a premature Rfc, is that it may last a month and waste the time of numerous editors for nothing. Fitzcarmalan, please withdraw the Rfc^(how?) and wait and see if the block (or subsequent blocks, if the user continues this behavior) is sufficient to resolve this. Let's not all waste our time here for nothing. Mathglot (talk) 04:33, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

Before being blocked, Marjdabi was still convinced that loaded terms like "military government" and events that are too recent deserve a mention in the lead. And the user's block will be lifted in less than an hour. So I wouldn't really consider this resolved. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 18:38, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

There is nothing to satisfy at WP:RFCBEFORE. You can choose to use WP:3PO and in this case it would be faster but most certianly is not required before starting an RFC. However you are right that that this is edit warring, the was a violation of 3rr. That can be reported at WP:3RR if recall. They could also take this over to RSN.-Serialjoepsycho- (talk) 07:28, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

I agree with the view that this is not suitable for a RFC and should be able to be resolved. Gumsaint (talk) 04:48, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Comment If the source don't fit you must aq... um remove the content. This material is clearly being challenged. Any material challenged or likely to be so must be backed up by sources. The absents of them providing said source that shows Egypt is considered to be under a military dictatorship would just be edit warring. They either have a Reliable source or they do not. There's no point in this RFC.-Serialjoepsycho- (talk) 07:28, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

• Withdraw (anyone reading this should feel free to close). I'm going to restore the stable, pre-EW version of this article while introducing the small part that was formulated during my earlier discussion with Rosguill. Further discussion may take place in the above section. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 19:38, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

@Marjdabi: Editors normally head to the talk page after reverting someone, like you did here. You reverted my edit some 18 hours ago, citing lack of "conclusion" for this RfC, yet you never came back to discuss. In fact, you haven't been here since September 4, the day your block was lifted and during which the proposed text was being discussed. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 14:13, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

I feel I've stressed the point enough for everyone to see, all countries on Wikipedia include one or two sentences mentioning recent events that took place. The one sentence mentioning the current government in Egypt is important and should not be removed. Marjdabi (talk) 17:36, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

And I've already established that original research is out of the question. Now what do you propose as a compromise? I did my part and came up with something in my above discussion with Rosguill, which you also removed. Your turn to add on this proposal or modify it. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 16:29, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

I suggest a mention of dictatorial regime in Egypt and the unfair one candidate elections. As well as the government coming the power via coup. Such as in the single remaining sentence. Marjdabi (talk) 17:48, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

This isn't compromising. This is you being disruptive by forcing me to repeat everything I said throughout our "discussion", aside from the edit-warring of course. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 19:52, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

How about we keep the current sentence mentioning the coup, unfair elections and military rule. While also mentioning the instability caused by the coups and sinai insurgency? All could fit well under 2 sentences. Marjdabi (talk) 02:14, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

• Comment - User:Marjdabi is right that the article should include a sentence or two about current/recent events in the lead, however that information needs to be backed by a reliable source now that it has been challenged (per MOS:LEADCITE). If the information had not been challenged, then there would be no reason to cite something discussed in the body of the article. ミーラー強斗武 (StG88ぬ会話) 14:18, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

• What current/recent events do you have in mind? No reliable scholarly sources, or even WP:NEWSORGs, refer to the government as a "military dictatorship/government"; it's mostly op-eds that do that. When a claim is that controversial and potentially challengeable, it is often better not to have it in the body of an article covering a subject of such scope (unless backed by the high-quality sources I mentioned), let alone in the lead. Two other things: 1) the same military-led establishment, or "deep state", has been ruling the country since the 1950s, and 2) elections in Egypt have been controversial long before the 2011 Arab Spring uprising. So this is hardly revealing or exceptional. Is the current regime more authoritarian than Mubarak's? Yes, according to most sources. But singling it out as a military dictatorship, as Marjdabi's poorly-written text seems to imply, strikes me as purely polemical and non-NPOV, considering the many similarities it shares with all the other regimes that ruled the country since 1952. I'm fine with mentioning the 2013 coup but, as I said earlier, the Sisi government wasn't directly installed as a result of the coup, technically speaking. And there is also a debate among scholars about whether Mubarak's ouster came as a result of a popular uprising or a coup,[1] something that rarely gets discussed in the less reliable news websites. Obviously I don't think we should delve into such details in this article (body or lead), but we shouldn't have inaccurate and contentious material in it either. Marjdabi also suggests we mention the Sinai insurgency in the lead, but I simply disagree because it wasn't the first, or even the deadliest, of its kind to have affected the republic. And terrorism is already briefly mentioned in the lead. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 15:16, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

What is the main consensus on putting recent events on the lede?

My certain changes got removed fast. "not the place for current events in main overview country articles"

In Turkish article recent or current events are found in the main overview, what's the consensus that it can't be done here?

"Turkey's current administration headed by president Recep Tayyip Erdoğan of the AKP has enacted measures to increase the influence of Islam, reversed and undermined Kemalist policies, and has reversed earlier reforms such as freedom of the press" Main lede Marjdabi (talk) 02:34, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

The article's lead covers thousands of years...a whole paragraph on just the past few years going into so much details that we link names is considered WP:Undue. Theses named people and events do not define the country for the past few millenniums. In the second paragraph where the history stuff is we explain that there's ongoing troubles and explain more in the article with good source . But to devote a whole paragraph for the past few years is just too much.--Moxy (talk) 02:53, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

Hmm ok but if that's the case why is it found in the other articles? "Theses named people and events do not define the country for the past few millenniums." but in the Turkish page Recep Tayip Erdogan and his policies is mention in the lede? What's the difference between the two? Can I atleast add a sentence mentioning it similar to Turkish page? Marjdabi (talk) 03:03, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

Not sure why the other article is so shitty....but that's no reason to do the same here. Could change the second paragraph from "The country continues to face challenges from terrorism, political unrest, and economic underdevelopment" ....to something like "The country continues to face challenges from terrorism, political unrest, and economic underdevelopment since the 2013 uprising that has seen a change in government priorities."....linking the 2013 article.--Moxy (talk) 03:13, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

Ok well do I at least have a permission to fix the other article the same way as here? Marjdabi (talk) 03:16, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

In my view its too much detail for the lead including ehnic stats ...but others that watch that article are on that articles talk page discussing the lead details that where recently added. Be bold see what happens....but if reverted join the ongoing talk.--Moxy (talk) 03:29, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

@Marjdabi: I couldn't care less about what other country articles have in their lead sections. Egypt's history as a republic spans over six decades. The lead may mention the recent 2011−14 turmoil but only briefly, in a sentence or two at the end of the third paragraph. It should not include events like the 2018 election, which is hardly a watershed event in the country's history. Nor should it include HRW's evaluation of Sisi's government in the lead (and given that HRW is openly in conflict with the government,[2][3] it may very well amount to a primary source whose claims should be properly attributed). And yes, you are misrepresenting the source. Please familiarize yourself with our WP:NOR policy (and with WP:NPOV while you're at it). An editor's personal interpretation of sources is not acceptable here. If the source doesn't refer to the government as a "military dictatorship", don't refer to it as such. Simple as that. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 23:18, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia mentions countries Iran, Turkey and Saudi Arabia with the recent events that took place in those countries at their lede. Egypt is o exception to this, the current process of democratic rights is mentioned in all the countries listed above. All of whom which span more than 6 decades. The military dictatorship is the defacto rule in Egypt since the military coup, which is mentioned by the referred article, Egyptian coup d'état of 2013. The 2018 election is not directly mentioned as it is a referrer to the current democratic state. The lede is not biased as it is significant and done accordingly to the rule of countries. It was missing before as it is fixed now. Marjdabi (talk) 23:40, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

Again, what other country articles contain in their lead sections is of no interest to this article. I already told you what is relevant and what isn't. "Egypt is a de facto military dictatorship" is (whether you realize it or not) a controversial claim, for which you should provide high-quality reliable sources. And the fact that you're pushing so hard to have this claim in the lead section suggests that you're more interested in illustrating a point than in building an encyclopedia. So, again, please read the guidelines linked in my initial comment. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 09:49, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Opposite to you I believe it matters significantly what other countries have in their lede section. If Wikipedia is suppose to be independent and equal regarding other articles they need to be in the same format. Some countries have used half their lede in recent events while others don't mention at all. For now the majority of the articles have a few words describing the recent events and situation in the country, and this article is missing that. The phrasing Military Dictatorship is referring to the military government which took power in Egypt, who is also still ruling, and under which elections were not held freely. It is not an opinion as it is mentioned by several sources and articles on Wikipedia. Including referred articles included in words. Marjdabi (talk) 16:12, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

If Wikipedia is suppose to be independent and equal regarding other articles they need to be in the same format - I'm sorry but that's not how it works here. So, besides starting an RfC (which I just did), there isn't much that I can do here if you're still content with your edit and don't see any issues with it. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 18:17, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

• @Marjdabi: Kindly self-revert and try to seek consensus for your changes. I will not reopen the RfC because a number of editors have (rightfully) pointed out that it was invalid and that the edit-warring should have been dealt with at AN3 instead. I'm giving you a chance to discuss this here. All you have done so far is make statements like "I believe XYZ should be included because other stuff exists", and I'm not wasting my time and effort responding to those any longer. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 02:32, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
  • You are Egyptian and want to make this article positive, why should it be my responsibility to fix this? The title is lacking compared to other country articles. Marjdabi (talk) 03:13, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
    • Comment on encyclopaedia edits not editors. Canterbury Tail talk 12:35, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

• Does anyone feel like the 2018 election should be mentioned in the lead? I don't, and I've explained in detail in the RfC below why it shouldn't. Let alone the criticism of this election, which is irrelevant here. I believe we should simply describe the current government as "a presidential republic led by President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi, which was described by several watchdogs as authoritarian." @Black Kite: given your recent rewrite of Marjdabi's paragraph, should I assume that you're recusing administrative action here? If so, will you take a look at the RfC below? I'm referring to the discussion involving Rosguill in particular, so that you can both tell me how to proceed. Are you content with the proposal I just made, in addition to the one agreed upon below with Rosguill? Also pinging Sturmgewehr88. Waiting for your inputs. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 20:52, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

• Hi, yeah I'm not adminning here. I just wanted to make sure that sentence wasn't actually saying something the source didn't. If there's a consensus to move it into the body of the article, I wouldn't have an issue with that. Black Kite (talk) 22:34, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

• I went ahead and replaced the disputed material with the text that was proposed here and in the RfC below. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 16:58, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Misinformation in the "Names" section

Someone (obviously an archaeocentric Greek nationalist) added this passage in the "Names" section:

"Strabo attributed the word to a folk etymology in which Aígyptos (Αἴγυπτος) evolved as a compound from Aigaiou huptiōs (Aἰγαίου ὑπτίως), meaning "below the Aegean""

This claim has been used by many Greek nationalists and is entirely false, as Strabo does NOT make such a claim in his writings. It is clear and blatant misinformation. Therefore, those who have editing privileges for the article should remove it and exclude the contributor who added it.

UPDATE: I'm glad to see someone removed the misleading reference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MonaEberhardt (talk • contribs) 13:05, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Turkish conquest

Can we please add the Turkish conquest from 1500s in the infobox establishment section please? Seems odd that it is missing. Important part of Egypt's long history.

GeorgePodros UTC: 11:29 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Georgepodros (talk • contribs) 11:29, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 December 2018

The topic is strongly in favor of ONE side only by repeatedly saying "the army backed authorities" as it has no sense at all, just saying the authorities is enough but what you have written clearly shows you have taken a specific side, which can not be in a big website like wikipedia. Remove "Even though the military-backed authorities extended voting to a third day" as you havent stated how many days were there in all Mubarak elections nor Sadat's or anyone else, else, remove the "army backed" word and keep it as "Even though the authorities extended...." BoudyTamerAydenbrayden (talk) 17:13, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

It's unclear what you want to be changed. Please explain clearly what you want and accompany the request with reliable sources that support the change. –Ammarpad (talk) 05:49, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

Misspelled?

In The Muhammad Ali dynasty somebody misspelled "Muhammad" as "Mohammad", I think. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JustAnotherRandomEditor (talk • contribs) 02:16, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

@JustAnotherRandomEditor: The name Mohammad is spelled in many different ways according to Wikipedia policy WP:COMMONNAME editors should use the most common name which in this case is probably Mohammad--SharabSalam (talk) 08:25, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

Discrimination

Egypt is dry and sandy From the religion "The Coptic community, as well as several human rights activists and intellectuals, maintain that the number of Christians occupying government posts is not proportional to the number of Copts in Egypt. They are also the victims of discriminatory religious laws, anti-Christian judges, and anti-Christian state police. Anti-Christian laws include laws governing repairing old churches or constructing new ones, which are usually impossible tasks, requiring presidential permission to build a new church, and a governor’s permission to renovate even the bathroom in an already-built church" this is an emotional and not scientific writing either you SET A SOURCE or REMOVE IT till then>

I believe that having a Christian Minister of Finance, and a Christian Minister for Environmental Affairs, in addition to other positions and key roles in previous governments prove that no discrimination is present. As for the churches, it is clear that whoever wrote the article is either trying to ignite sectarian conflicts, or is writing out of ignorance. Please seek actual statistics to find out the actual number of churches currently in Egypt, and the number of churches under construction, then compare that number to the number of mosques and revisit the proportionality of the issue.

Please note that Muslims as well as Christians in Egypt respect Wikipedia, and therefore this comment is presented.

Some discussion on leadership and justice would remove some of the religious tensions. What were the leaders doing for Egypt? Were the policies fair? People recognize injustices and they are not related to the religion so I don't like seeing the Christian vs Muslim talk.

What? This reads more like a poster for a protest than a suggestion to change a Wikipedia article. Please clarify. Applejuiceandpeachh (talk) 08:49, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

Homosexuality: clarification needed?

According to this page "Homosexuality is illegal in Egypt." But according to http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Egypt, "Egyptian law does not explicitly criminalize homosexuality or cross-dressing..." Should a distinction be made between "same-sex attraction" and "same-sex sexual acts? Hundovir (talk) 20:51, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

Yes, a distinction should be made. Being gay and acting upon said gayness are different things, as the law recognizes. You should also clarify whether or not women are allowed to do these things. As for cross dressing and gender identity, there are basically three categories for laws. Cross dressing, identifying as something other than your birth gender, and having surgery/taking hormones. You might also want to add how well these laws are enforced, the punishments, and whether or not homosexuality and transgender-ness are supported by the generl public. Applejuiceandpeachh (talk) 08:46, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

I have checked the source cited for this statement - the Washington Post - and it says "Homosexual acts are illegal". This is not the same as saying that "homosexuality is illegal". I think the sentence on this page should be changed to reflect the actual wording of the source, but I cannot do so myself because of the page's protected status. Could someone do this please? Hundovir (talk) 23:13, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Regarding my edit at 06:04, March 26, 2019‎

I removed this link from the article because:

1. It is an unreliable source;
2. It may be an improper usage of links.

 Kou Dou 06:07, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 22 April 2019

{{subst:trim|1=

I think that you guys need to stop letting people write fake things.

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. DannyS712 (talk) 23:46, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Grammar

Please change the spelling of "civilisation" to "civilization". Dirtking911 (talk) 20:35, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

Why? Change the correct usage to a misspelling? See main article Civilization. Dimadick (talk) 20:38, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

Also please stop using the letter "s" in place of "z" as it is inappropriate and confusing for readers. Dirtking911 (talk) 20:39, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

The main article you pointed me to spells "civilization" with a "z". Dirtking911 (talk) 20:47, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

See WP:ENGVAR. Both spellings are correct, and unless the article is specifically about an American topic, it need not use the American spelling (with a z), even if our main article here uses that spelling. General Ization ^Talk 20:51, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

Whereabouts of the Prime Minister

Unfortunately, according to an article of the state-run al-Ahram Online, the Egyptian appeals court have dismissed Mr. Hisham Qandil as PM and sentenced him to one year in prison. I'm pretty sure the military may have arrested and detained Mr. Qandil already and the whole cabinet is basically de-facto dissolved. I'm pretty sure there will be a new Prime Minister and new cabinet starting tomorrow or soon. May need to update it as soon as possible. http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/1/64/75629/Egypt/Politics-/Court-upholds-verdict-sacking-Morsis-PM-Qandil,-se.aspx — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anthonyn31 (talk • contribs) 04:37, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

REQ: IPA pronunciation for Arabic name

Could an established editor please add the IPA pronunciation for the Arabic name (both the short form and the long form)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.68.87.50 (talk) 19:27, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Vice-president and Prime Minister

Neither have Mohammed ElBaradei nor Ziad Bahaa El-Din been officially appointed for any positions. The positions of vice-president and prime minister are still vacant. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.196.29.194 (talk) 13:45, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Inconsistent Presentation.

Hello,

I visited this page on my mobile-phone (smart-phone), curious about the government. Only the the introductory information and the "Names" heading & information is displayed. No "History" heading or information, no "Government" heading or information and all the headings and information subsequent to "Name" are missing, totally missing. Of course I try to refresh my phone, still nothing more than the introduction & "Names". So I check other pages with my mobile, "Libya" displays the whole set of headings & information as do others. Then I go onto my computer, and everything is there on the page as is proper. I go to "Mobile View" and everything is there. So I check my phone again, refresh, nothing underneath the "Names" section. My phone is otherwise working perfectly, and displays other articles just fine, "Libya" shows consistent information between phone and computer. I do not know how to fix this, and am certain it is not a technical problem on my phone, please help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PonderStibbons (talk • contribs) 00:01, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Map

The map of Egypt seems to be slanted towards Sudan's side in the Hala'ib dispute. The area is currently under Egyption administration, so I say we should do a similar thing to Sudan's page and color the Hala'ib triangle light green with a caption saying that it is disputed territory. Thanks, MayodKOR — Preceding unsigned comment added by MayodKOR (talk • contribs) 23:37, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 9 January 2020

Change Founded date from 1953 to 3150 B.C

Egypt was founded in the year 3150 B.C, and all the egyptian history that is documented ever since took place in Egypt, including the british colonization of Egypt. The only highlight that took place on 1953 was the military coup that ousted the king and Egypt was then a republic and not a kingdom, nevertheless it has been and still is Egypt ever since 3150 B.C. 37.39.239.126 (talk) 01:11, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: We don't expect you to read the whole article, but please at least glance at the infobox (the box on the right side of the article) before posting an edit request of this nature. Thanks. – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:53, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

Dates Requested

I've just been at Decipherment of ancient Egyptian scripts, which told me that ancient Egyptian scripts "ceased to be understood in the fourth and fifth centuries AD". So I came here to see what was happening in the fourth and fifth centuries. But there aren't any dates given for "Ptolemaic and Roman Egypt" which seems to be a bit unhelpful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.206.162.148 (talk) 09:29, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Inclusion of the formal Coptic name of Egypt in the infobox

I found on "Wikimedia incubator", a page which includes many versions of Wikipedia articles in Coptic, that, particular, on the Coptic version of the Wikipedia article about Egypt that the country is called "ϯⲙⲉⲑⲙⲏϣ ⲛ̀ⲭⲏⲙⲓ ⲛ̀ⲁⲣⲁⲃⲟⲥ", which, literally, means "Arab republic of Egypt". I think that it should be included. 5.54.162.118 (talk) 19:01, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

"Egiptus" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Egiptus. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 18:43, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 11 April 2020

Under the climate section I suggest adding a map of Egypt according to the Köppen climate classification as many country articles have it. It is by no means necessary, but I think it could be a good visual aid. The file I suggest is: File:Koppen-Geiger Map EGY present.svg Timothy2b (talk) 09:40, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

 Done - QuadColour (talk) 00:54, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

The first Egypt modernizator

Sa'id of Egypt, the channel, slave capture ban, Egypt cotton industry (taking the opportunity of the USA civil war). --188.171.57.108 (talk) 20:18, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Human rights in lead section

Given how most countries with authoritarian regimes tend to elaborate on the country's associated problematic human rights situation, I propose that the sentence "Egypt's current government is a semi-presidential republic headed by President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi, which has been described by a number of watchdogs as authoritarian." be edited to something like "[...] which has been described by a number of watchdogs as authoritarian and responsible for perpetuating the country's problematic human rights record, characterized by frequent abuses such as torture, persecution of religious minorities and forced disappearances. DeathTrain (talk) 13:26, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

"Homosexuality is legal in Egypt"

According to this page "Homosexuality is illegal in Egypt." But according to http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Egypt, "Egyptian law does not explicitly criminalize homosexuality or cross-dressing..."

In addition the source for this assertion, The Washington Post. 16 June 2016, is an article containing a map on which it is stated that homosexual "acts" are illegal. If the LBGT page is correct, then the statement on this page is not correct. Both cannot be true. I have pointed this out before on this talk page and requested that this be altered. The request was archived and no action was taken. Can someone who is allowed to edit this page please either edit the page or explain why the edit will not be done and consequent contradiction between two Wikipedia pages allowed to stand? Thanks. Hundovir (talk) 08:53, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

Still no response on this? Is being homosexual illegal in Egypt? Or is it homosexual sexual activity that is illegal? Hundovir (talk) 21:29, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

I live in egypt and homosexuality and homosexual activity is illegal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.213.165.115 (talk) 15:19, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

Homesexual illegal in Egypt And It May forward to The Jail Mohamed Anter Ali (talk) 17:37, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 3 June 2020

Change Egypt To EGYPT Mohamed Anter Ali (talk) 17:33, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit extended-protected}} template. And why file this EPER? {{replyto|Can I Log In}}'s talk page! 18:06, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 28 August 2020 kingom = kingdom

kingom = kingdom 2605:E000:1301:4777:9D5E:6901:9210:E465 (talk) 08:12, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

 Done Dawnseeker2000 08:19, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 5 September 2020

Under "Sports" within the "Culture" section, change the entire fifth paragraph from "Egypt has taken part in the Summer Olympic Games since 1912 and hosted and Alexandria h the first Mediterranean Games in 1951. Egypt has hosted several international competitions. The last one being the 2009 FIFA U-20 World Cup which took place between 24 September – 16 October 2009." to "Egypt has taken part in the Summer Olympic Games since 1912. Egypt has also hosted several international competitions, including the first Mediterranean Games in 1952 in Alexandria, and more recently the FIFA U-20 World Cup in 2009." I removed "the last one" just due to the fact that as time goes on this will most likely need to be changed anyway to maintain accuracy if and when another international competition comes to Egypt. Thanks! Jabaswear (talk) 17:48, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

 Done And added category for other international competitions + further examples. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 23:07, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

Lead takes too long to mention the Nile

Give how important the Nile is to Egypt's history, demographics, etc., I think it's poor weighting to mention it only at the bottom of the lead, whereas to give prominent first paragraph mention to e.g. the water border with Cyprus. Can we find a way to mention the Nile in the first paragraph? {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 03:44, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

I think its more important as a historical starting point then a modern border. Small addition to second paragraph.--Moxy 🍁 15:03, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

Law - Freedom of Thought

The link here is to freedom of religion (under the law subheading) with the text freedom of thought - these are two very different things aren't they? Desdinova (talk) 21:05, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Islam is the official religion of Egypt

Hello,

In the section of “religion” here on this Egypt article, there isn’t the description of Islam. Rather, it only states “see religions in Egypt” which is inaccurate. The state official religion of Egypt is Islam, according to the nation’s constitution.

I humbly ask that “Islam” be inserted as the Religion of Egypt under the “religion” section.

Thanks. WatanWatan2020 (talk) 20:48, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 21 June 2020

2604:3D09:CF81:C900:75DF:7FE8:99F3:C86E (talk) 21:47, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
Hello, may you please add the sate religion of Islam when talking about religion as well as putting the “see religion is Egypt “ under it. 

Thanks.

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. My understanding is that Egypt is a secular state. This would be a major change, and would need to be backed by a reliable source. — Tartan357  ^(Talk) 07:44, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Hey, Egypt is not a secular state. It’s official religion is Islam.. may you please add the religion “Islam” under the religion section. Thanks. WatanWatan2020 (talk) 20:50, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

"Egypt info" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Egypt info. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 November 20#Egypt info until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. TheAwesomeHwyh 21:50, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

More compact TOC

I believe it makes sense to use {{TOClimit}} hide the last-level titles from the TOC, so that it does not go beyond the infobox only to display overly specific history moments in the lead. Like this: Special:Permalink/991711600 (instead of this). Gikü (talk) 12:42, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Kemet and Egypt

Kemet the black land has nothing to do with the soil but has everything to do we the skin color of the people who lived there. Kemet, now called Egypt is on the African continent. Some people try to take it out of Africa and put is in Asia, which it borders. Why is it so important for them to take Egypt out of Africa? One word, racism. It is hard for some to imagine that the greatest civilization that brought culture and education to the world were black. The Egyptians themselves left evidence of their African (Black) origins in their carvings, their paintings and their hieroglyphics. What did the European archeologist do? They blew off noses, scraped walls and hid evidence. They wanted no one to know that black people taught the Greeks and every other culture, bringing them into the bronze age. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.168.230.4 (talk) 20:03, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

The upper and lower houses of legislation

Hi! I would like to note that now Egypt has an upper and lower houses for legislation which should be added to the "Legislature" fact in the infobox. See Senate_(Egypt) for the newly formed upper house in 2020. The new edits should reflect under "Legislature" as a Parliament with Upper house: Egyptian senate and Lower house: House of Representatives. Under the "Government" fact, the "President of the Egyptian Senate: Abdel-Wahab Abdel-Razeq" should be added. --Amsguc (talk) 13:58, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

State killing in the lead

We will need one hell of a source before we say in the lead that the government is randomly killing it's citizens.--Moxy 🍁 16:58, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

@Moxy: Why do you believe it is necessary to say that the Egyptian government is "randomly killing its citizens"? DeathTrain (talk) 18:06, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

I don't that's why I removed your addition of this nature to the lead.--Moxy 🍁 00:42, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

@Moxy: That is a very exaggerated mischaracterization; all I did was attempt to elaborate upon Egypt problematic human rights record. The abuses I listed are already elaborated upon in the human rights section of this article and/or the Human rights in Egypt article.DeathTrain (talk) 15:02, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

No need to say more....not the place for advocacy.--Moxy 🍁 16:16, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

@Moxy: What advocacy?DeathTrain (talk) 16:36, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Advocates sometimes employ defenses, such as...--Moxy 🍁 16:47, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

@Moxy: Really, how is this advocacy? It is no different than the examples listed in the lead sections of other articles such as China or Saudi Arabia. DeathTrain (talk) 16:53, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Your goal thus far here on Wikipedia is to make sure leaders and governments are held accountable in the lead of country articles based on other articles ...extrajudicial killings is one hell of a thing to add to a lead that is about a 10.000 year old society.--Moxy 🍁 17:09, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

To make sure things dont get out of control with wording again I added the normal wording seen in so called "Good countries" ranks among the lowest in international measurements of government transparency, freedom of the press and civil liberties. --Moxy 🍁 17:37, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

We've gone over this already. I invited you to this discussion on the clash between WP:RECENT and WP:DUE but you never commented on it. http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)/Archive_161#Clashes_of_policies. One commenter did mention that " the main articles on countries deal with all the aspects of a country as it is today". There is an entire section on "Extrajudicial executions" in the Human rights in Egypt article. Since the establishment of the modern Arab Republic of Egypt in the 1950s, human rights have always been problematic in the country. Overemphasis on historical Egypt such as during the time of the Pharaohs or the Muhammad Ali dynasty is WP:UNDUE and is more appropriate for articles such as New Kingdom of Egypt or Ottoman Egypt. I think what you have added so far to this article and others requires a consensus, perhaps here: http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Countries. DeathTrain (talk) 18:10, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Yes I and others have gone over this with you many times..so restore linked version with natural wording.--Moxy 🍁 18:18, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

@Moxy: I can agree to have it say for now that Egypt has a "problematic human rights record". But I still think what you have written so far about international rankings still needs consensus. DeathTrain (talk) 18:24, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Would be nice if you could recognize a good edit over just reverting..O well most likely will be removed by fly by editors anyways.--Moxy 🍁 18:26, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

@Moxy: How about we just start from scratch. While a consensus is being made, we just stick to what it said previously in the meantime, that:

"[The Egyptian government] has been described by a number of watchdogs as authoritarian or heading an authoritarian regime, responsible for perpetuating the country's problematic human rights record".

DeathTrain (talk) 18:37, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Its less informative ....not sure if your here just to revert me all over vs improving articles WP:DONTREVERT. O well good luck in your adventure what ever that is.--Moxy 🍁 18:40, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

@Moxy: What do you mean by that? DeathTrain (talk) 18:48, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

it leads to less information and says less overall...as in we are covering more topics that leads to more infomation. Can you explain why the reversal. ...I was clear as to why. --Moxy 🍁 01:44, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

ranks among the lowest in international measurements of government transparency, freedom of the press and civil liberties.

@Moxy: can’t say I follow your argument, you don’t even appear to be making a coherent one. Of course human rights should be discussed in the lead, thats not advocacy its just making sure the important issues are touched on in the lead. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 18:51, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Problem in many article...death adds info to leads that most see contains problematic wording ...then its removed by others (some not even willing to talk)...trying to find a middle ground to no avail...got one that just reverts with no just cause and the other not willing to talk. Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Countries#Need a middle ground--Moxy 🍁 19:07, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Incorrect link in History - Middle Ages section

The first link in this section with text "Sasanian Persian" links to "Aegyptus (Roman province)" when it probably should link to "Sasanian Empire" instead. Lood1234 (talk) 20:37, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

 Done Terasail^[✉] 23:33, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 28 February 2021

XZora (talk) 04:00, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

| leader_title3 = House Speaker | leader_name3 = Hanafi Ali Gibali

The current speaker is Hanafi Ali Gibali

Done, CMD (talk) 15:41, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Add Senate to the quick facts table

Add the senate to the quick facts table at the top of the page Flags200 (talk) 01:24, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Changed to Parliament of Egypt. CMD (talk) 15:44, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 28 February 2021 (2)

The target of the link Amarna in the section "Names" should rather be Amarna Period than Amarna. Digamma (talk) 13:25, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Done, CMD (talk) 15:45, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Wrong link

Under the "Names" section, "fertile" should link to Soil fertility (http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Soil_fertility) instead of fertility in general. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amir-Toly (talk • contribs) 18:09, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Done. CMD (talk) 13:09, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Former US Presidents

Can someone please explain why there are images of 3 former US Presidents (Carter, Bush, Trump) in an article that is supposed to be about Egypt? B. Fairbairn (talk) 13:20, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

On the specific case by case basis, it's because 1 is a relevant history image which also includes an Egyptian President, while the other 2 are in the foreign relations section. On a broader level, it is in part because the United States Government releases the vast majority of the images it takes under the Public Domain, meaning pictures of US Presidents are quite common on Wikipedia compared to countries which do not have this policy. All three of the US President images on this article for example are in the Public Domain. CMD (talk) 13:08, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you B. Fairbairn (talk) 13:20, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 8 March 2021

You spelled something wrong. 107.2.125.18 (talk) 00:01, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

 Additional information needed: ran this article through a spell-checker and did not detect any spelling errors. Remember that this article is written in British English. Perhaps if you were to mention the specific spelling error in a "change X to Y" format, the edit could be made as if you had done the correction yourself. P.I. Ellsworth  ed. ^put'r there 00:41, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

Don't you know this article is written in British English?! Pedro Lucas Silva (talk) 18:14, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 30 June 2021

Add the Coptic name "ⲭⲏⲙⲓ" (Chemi) into the first sentence. CopticRevival (talk) 02:54, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Melmann 09:23, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Over-sized flag on wikipedia app.

When I open the quick section on the wikipedia app, the flag is way larger than it's supposed to be. Flags200 (talk) 02:22, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Same. It’s also very big and I’m on the Wikipedia app. Josh cant edit at all (talk) 16:44, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Submersion of coastal land

The subject pops up for instance in connection to Alexandria (Pharos, etc.) and the 3 submerged ancient cities in the Abu Qir Bay. It appears to have been caused by a rise in the sea level. What was the cause of the rise? Earthquakes, tsunamis and catastrophic Nile floods were probably additional factors in creating events of soil liquefaction, which destroyed the cities, but the background and underlying cause seems to have been the rising sea level. Or not? Were those cities built on alluvium brought by the Nile, possibly a soil more prone to liquefaction? The topic pops up constantly in regard to hugely important ancient sites, and it deserves to be discussed in a dedicated article.

The Nile delta as a geologically unstable region could be the overarching topic, but only if the rising sea level wasn't the predominant factor in the submersion of the cities.

Without a good explanation of these phenomena, one would expect the land area to grow indefinitely due to the huge quantities of alluvium continuously swept into the sea by the Nile. The effect of the Aswan dam radically influenced that, but geologically and even historically speaking, that's a very, very recent factor. Btw, did it completely stop the phenomenon? What about the course of the Nile north of the dam? The Med coast downstream of the delta (I mean marine W-E streams) are suffering from erosion due to the lack of the natural compensating element of sand deposits (Nubian quartzite erroded and carried into the sea by the Nile) since the construction of the Aswan dam, and that is a very stringent, visible, and closely related subject.

A major topic, with insufficient coverage here. Arminden (talk) 12:37, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

I think that the map of Egyptian tovernorates is wrong

Hi y'all,

I think that the map of Egyptian governorates is wrong: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Egypt_-_Administrative_Divisions_-_Nmbrs_-_colored.png because this map shows that the Cairo Governorate to have half the length as that of the previous map: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:%D9%85%D8%AD%D8%A7%D9%81%D8%B8%D8%A7%D8%AA_%D9%85%D8%B5%D8%B1-3.png I can't edit myself because I am not extended confirmed. Thx.

Best regards, RealIK17 (talk) 15:16, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Economy of Egypt

I would like to see a section about Egypt's economy. What are its chief exports and imports? Is it a market-based economy, or are there still remnants of its socialist past? Does the government play a big role or a more limited role? —MiguelMunoz (talk) 00:40, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Suggestion for section on science and technology

Hi, just a suggestion, many country articles have sections or subsections for 'science and technology', this could be a section on this article as well.

Thanks

John Cummings (talk) 11:36, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 21 October 2021

I really wanna reedit Egypt, I have grown up in Egypt and a lot of the information is incorrect. thank you. Woohoo432 (talk) 16:17, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: requests for decreases to the page protection level should be directed to the protecting admin or to Wikipedia:Requests for page protection if the protecting admin is not active or has declined the request. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:26, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 29 November 2021

In paragraph 4 it is stated that Egypt is the 13th most populous county in the world, while in the info bar it is stated that it is the 15th most populous. these are both incorrect, as Egypt is in fact the 14th most populous country in the world. FALGSC (talk) 06:33, 29 November 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by FALGSC (talk • contribs) 05:39, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. – AssumeGoodWraith (talk | contribs) 08:59, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. The population figures on that site are projections. Populations shown for the Most Populous Countries and on the world map are projected to July 1, 2021. The populations displayed on the clock are not intended to imply that the population of the world is known to the last person. Rather, the clock is the Census Bureau's estimate of the world population size and an indication of how fast it is growing. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 21:37, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

I have already provided sources, or rather, a link to an article with all of the relevant sources. In any case, the fact that the article is internally inconsistent should be grounds for someone to edit the article on its own. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FALGSC (talk • contribs) 20:38, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

 Done This isn't actually referenced in the article anywhere which isn't ideal but it's better to correct the internal consistency than any of the other options I found (such as removing the info all together, which would put this article out of line with most articles we have on countries). Elli (talk | contribs) 21:30, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

References

Nomination for deletion of "Template:Largest cities of Egypt"

Template:Largest cities of Egypt has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. --Triggerhippie4 (talk) 10:03, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Demographics

If 99% of Egypt’s population are ethnic Egyptians how does that work when the same article states that 5 million Sudanese immigrants which would reduce at least 5% of the so called ethnic Egyptians 169.255.185.210 (talk) 08:05, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 December 2021

I wanted to add a link to another useful country page/history timeline for Egypt at the bottom below the citations Jorrocks1981 (talk) 13:38, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone will add them for you.  melecie  t - 14:10, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 9 January 2022

96.237.148.12 (talk) 02:28, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

It’s a African country, what is that transcontinental???

 Not done: It's explained in the lead and article. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 02:31, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment

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Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT (talk) 20:18, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

the IPA on the introduction to the Egypt article

Hi. The use of the character "M" on the IPA for the Arabic word for Egypt, "مصر", is incorrect. Whereas it currently says "(Arabic: مِصر, romanized: Miṣr, Egyptian Arabic pronunciation: [Masr])", it should instead be "(Arabic: مِصر, romanized: Miṣr, Egyptian Arabic pronunciation: [masr])" with a lowercase "m". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Snibblydoo (talk • contribs) 15:37, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

“Egypt” in Egyptian Arabic

The pronunciation of مصر(Egypt) in Egyptian Arabic is listed as [masr], however from my knowledge as a half Egyptian Arab, مصر in Egyptian Arabic is pronounced [masˤr] with an emphatic /s/ just like MSA. Can someone fix this? 2001:16A2:F256:7000:200C:C657:AE09:6F3 (talk) 05:10, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

Cyprus is to the north

Hi Cyprus an island country north of Egypt. It should be Mediteranean and Cyprus to the north please could you add it in the lead its missing.Bradley 789 (talk) 19:21, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

But as you said, Cyprus is an island country so it doesn't border Egypt therefore it shouldn't be included in what is essentially a list of its' borders. NightingaleNI (talk) 15:54, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Pronunciation

The pronunciation of Egypt, especially in the IPA, is not [Masr], it is [misˤr] 2601:83:200:6CB0:3405:CBE9:482F:D791 (talk) 19:51, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

It is misr in Modern Standard Arabic, it is Masˤr in the Egyptian dialect nableezy - 21:20, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Ⲇⲓⲙⲟⲕⲣⲁⲧⲓⲁ ⲁⲣⲁⲃⲟⲥⲓ ⲙⲕⲏⲙⲉ

It makes sense to add the coptic name as a historically significant language being the direct descendant of Ancient Egyptian Sispandýrilla (talk) 10:03, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Not an official language of the state and not a significant source of the etymology of the name. nableezy - 14:23, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Ⲇⲓⲙⲟⲕⲣⲁⲧⲓⲁ ⲁⲣⲁⲃⲟⲥⲓ ⲙⲕⲏⲙⲉ Sispandýrilla (talk) 08:15, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

"Egyptian First Republic" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Egyptian First Republic and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 August 6#Egyptian First Republic until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:17, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 6 September 2022

Hi I am editing this article because there is more information I can add Hihello09! (talk) 04:31, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

•  Not done Please state clearly what edit you want made, in the form of "Please change X to Y". -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 05:41, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 18 October 2022

122.56.74.155 (talk) 01:44, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

an ancient pharoe named mankirat was the 3rd king of egypt.

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. CMD (talk) 02:08, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Small typo?

Under History > President El-Sisi (2014-present), fourth paragraph: "and allowing El-Sisi to run for 'other' two mandates." Should probably read: "and allowing El-Sisi to run for 'another' two mandates." 2603:8080:5701:9E54:E0FB:BA41:E1D9:182B (talk) 02:49, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Done, thanks! CMD (talk) 05:39, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

1973 War

Most historians would agree that neither side won this war. Egypt regained part of the Sinai while Israel occupied part of the western bank of the Suez Canal. Both countries negotiated the withdrawal of Israel from the western bank of the Suez Canal & for Egypt to retain then regain the Sinai... That was a win for Egypt. Ausieroo (talk) 16:37, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

They still couldn't defeat Israel and could not retake most of the Sinai and were pushed back by the Israelis who were miles away capturing Cairo; so while Israel sustained heavy losses and agreed to return the Sinai after a lasting peace with Egypt; Egypt still lost the war Nlivataye (talk) 06:13, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Minor error in Arabic names of Egypt in info box

Under Arabic it says "Jumhūrīyat Miṣr al-ʻArabīyah" but the ʻ represents a glottal stop, it should have the symbol ʿ for the Semitic language ayin sound, as does the Egyptian "Gomhoreyyet Maṣr el-ʿArabeyya" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.114.80.190 (talk) 21:58, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 6 November 2022

2600:4040:B1A7:5A00:57F:270F:4BE5:3318 (talk) 18:27, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

I want to edit

 Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone may add them for you. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:30, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 November 2022

The driving side is left throughout my country not right like what was mentioned in the article. Thanks. 197.35.187.154 (talk) 22:26, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: Cars in Egypt drive on the right. That is what is meant. CMD (talk) 01:40, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

Recent 2011

"The country continues to face challenges, from political unrest, including the recent 2011 revolution and its aftermath, to terrorism and economic underdevelopment."

2011 is not that recent anymore. I request the removal of the word 'recent' here. WikiPate (talk) 11:32, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

I've changed that. Iskandar323 (talk) 12:26, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

2011 is obviously recent. Constitutionstates"welltrainedmilitia" (talk) 20:19, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Isn't Egypt considered a Dictatorship ?

Its infobox describes Egypt as a Semi-Presidential Republic. But isn't it an Authoritarian Hybrid Dictatorship under Abdel Fattah el-Sisi ? Faaz Noushad (talk) 22:26, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

I think this is more a personal view than an encyclopedic. Sarah Schneuwly -Schneider (talk) 22:52, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

totally agree, if some countries like Russia is listed as an authoritarian dictatorship, I don't see why Egypt shouldn't be too

Reference:

https://freedomhouse.org/country/egypt/freedom-world/2023 Soviera0 (talk) 21:10, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

No. A leader was assassinated at military review. Constitutionstates"welltrainedmilitia" (talk) 20:21, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Does the word, Coptic, ring a bell?

Ancient Egyptians worshipped animals. Constitutionstates"welltrainedmilitia" (talk) 20:25, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Why the British spelling variant?

Why was the British spelling variant chosen for this article?

Contemporary Egyptians don't exclusively learn British English and are barely exposed to any British English. Even at universities, the American spelling and terms dominate. Egypt was not as directly influenced or culturally connected to the UK as, e.g. India or Burma to justify the choice. You'll even notice that Egyptian official ministries use American English, not British English

Examples:

• The Egyptian Ministry of Defense, not defence [4]
• The Central Bank of Egypt uses realizing not realising [5]
• The Egyptian Government Portal uses modernizing not modernising [6]
• Cairo University's website uses organizes not organises [7]
• Upon choosing the English version of the State Information Service, the URL is clearly coded https://www.sis.gov.eg/?lang=en-US not en-UK

--Mahmudmasri (talk) 18:00, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

Why not? Constitutionstates"welltrainedmilitia" (talk) 20:27, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

@Jaguar: May I know, why you decided that the article, Egypt should be spelled in British English? --Esperfulmo (talk) 13:09, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

Weird first sentence in “prehistory and ancient Egypt” section

This first sentence stands on its own, sounds odd, and begs the answer “so what?” It would sound better if it read something like “There is evidence of rock carvings along the Nile terraces and in desert oases… dating back to x date”; or “… which is consistent with humans inhabiting Egypt as far back as x”. I note there is no citation, but if the sentence must be included at all, perhaps it can be moved to later on in the paragraph. Thoughts? Cbe46 (talk) 08:24, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Arabic

Adam — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:CB80:4077:E8BE:6CF9:7A4E:795E:1492 (talk) 14:27, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Dialects

Hello,

would it be possible to include the specific dialects of Arabic spoken in Egypt? Perhaps after the sentence “Islam is the official religion of Egypt and Arabic is its official language” we can include Massry, Bedawi, and Saidi?

WikiAmerican1 (talk) 03:30, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

Hello. As for what is spoken by the people, it's by far Masry (68%), then Upper Egyptian. Bedawi isn't even 1%, English is more spoken than it. So the term Arabic is indeed the correct collective term. 156.181.27.211 (talk) 11:24, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

Ok, that’s good to know! Should that be included that the most spoken dialect is Masry/Masri? WikiAmerican1 (talk) 12:58, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 28 August 2023

Please add.

Egypt is expected to join BRICS on the 1st of January 2024

Categories: Category:BRICS nations Category:Dialogue partners of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation

MaliMail (talk) 12:31, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

 Partly done: BRICS nations will have to wait until they become a member in 2024. M.Bitton (talk) 18:41, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

References

Arbitrary alteration of dating style without consensus

I notice that the dating style used on this page was altered in the last few years from BC/AD, which is the format the page has used since its inception, to the BCE/CE style. WP:MOS states that this should not be changed needlessly. I would revert this back myself however as the page has extended protection I am unable to do so. Theworks84 (talk) 21:31, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 29 August 2023

Please add this template to where the other templates for membership in international organizations are.

--- MaliMail (talk) 16:57, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

 Done Ktkvtsh (talk) 01:55, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Excessive Detail Template

The new "excessive detail" template on the history section is quite silly. The current section is about as succinct and clear an overview as you could hope for in summarizing the history of a six millennia old civilization. I suggest it be removed. O.M. Nash (talk) 11:34, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

The length of the section is unbalanced relative to the rest of the article, and it includes details that should be in subarticles per WP:DETAIL. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:00, 17 September 2023 (UTC)