Talk:Culture of New Zealand
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Improving article
[edit]Hi all, this article got 2,737 page views on average over the last year. Are there any others keen to have a discussion about improvements? I have worked on some arts sections in recent times and have started adding a few 'citation needed' templates. What do others feel would be a priority for improvements? Pakoire (talk) 05:26, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
- Hi @Pakoire I would love to so some editing, where do think the most urgent help is needed. On the bright side, there aren't to many red links.
- Sending help from Christchurch TheodosiusM (talk) 02:22, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for your interest in the the article. There are a few parts with no citations - so finding references and adding citations would be good. Start in an area that you know something about. As a guide I try to find references that are less than 20 years old. I recommend setting up a user page (you have a redlink name which is why you I can tell you don't have one) and if you are new to editing then please always explain why you are doing a change in the edit summary. Pakoire (talk) 05:42, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- Cheers, a will keep all of those things in mind (: TheodosiusM (talk) 18:00, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for your interest in the the article. There are a few parts with no citations - so finding references and adding citations would be good. Start in an area that you know something about. As a guide I try to find references that are less than 20 years old. I recommend setting up a user page (you have a redlink name which is why you I can tell you don't have one) and if you are new to editing then please always explain why you are doing a change in the edit summary. Pakoire (talk) 05:42, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
Status of languages
[edit]This article says "three official languages", including English. English is de facto official, which this article doesn't mention so I think it's a bit misleading to leave it out. —Panamitsu (talk) 09:34, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
- It should be included - mainly to fend off the inevitable attempts to "fix" the article by new editors who've just discovered the factoid that English doesn't have de jure official status.
- There does seem to be a regrettable tendency - not just on Wikipedia but elsewhere - to over-emphasise the importance of English when compared with NZSL or te reo. I only see this being resolved in the long term when people who are now growing up bilingual (or multilingual) become a significant proportion of the population. Daveosaurus (talk) 09:51, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
- Which particular "Wikipedia" are you referring to here? :-) PatricKiwi (talk) 11:41, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
- I think it also adds to the article -- saying that it is de facto tells us more about New Zealand history/culture. —Panamitsu (talk) 21:10, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
- There is an unfortunate tendency in society and in Wikipedia to over emphasise the importance of te reo and NZSL, particularly in relation to English. This is due to two misunderstandings. First, what being an official language means (the language used in an official capacity), and second, what, why how and when te reo and NZSL have been classed as official languages in acts of parliament. These misunderstandings feed the ravinous mouths of those with an agenda to push or those happy simply and blindly to follow the pack. The official language of New Zealand is English, period. NZSL and te reo are deemed to have official status in specifically defined situations for particular purposes. Deemed to have means they are not really official but we can sometimes in certain situations pretend they are, otherwise parliament's policy decisions cannot function as intended. It is those policies that result in NZSL and te reo being called official, not their use by officialdom in running the country: that role is taken by English. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 03:40, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- I really hope that NZ First follows through on their proposal to make English a de jure official language just so you don't yell at clouds so much. ―Panamitsu (talk) 05:44, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- There is an unfortunate tendency in society and in Wikipedia to over emphasise the importance of te reo and NZSL, particularly in relation to English. This is due to two misunderstandings. First, what being an official language means (the language used in an official capacity), and second, what, why how and when te reo and NZSL have been classed as official languages in acts of parliament. These misunderstandings feed the ravinous mouths of those with an agenda to push or those happy simply and blindly to follow the pack. The official language of New Zealand is English, period. NZSL and te reo are deemed to have official status in specifically defined situations for particular purposes. Deemed to have means they are not really official but we can sometimes in certain situations pretend they are, otherwise parliament's policy decisions cannot function as intended. It is those policies that result in NZSL and te reo being called official, not their use by officialdom in running the country: that role is taken by English. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 03:40, 4 December 2024 (UTC)