Talk:Carl Johnson (Grand Theft Auto)

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Carl Johnson (Grand Theft Auto) article.
This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.

Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic.
New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help.

Article policies

Find video game sources: "Carl Johnson" Grand Theft Auto – news · newspapers · books · scholar · JSTOR · free images · free news sources · TWL · NYT · WP reference · VG/RS · VG/RL · WPVG/Talk

Archives: 1: 30 days

Video games: Characters Low‑importance

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Video games, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of video games on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Video gamesWikipedia:WikiProject Video gamesTemplate:WikiProject Video gamesvideo game articles

Low

This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

This article is supported by the Video game characters task force (assessed as Mid-importance).

Summary of Video games WikiProject open tasks:

Summary of Video games WikiProject open tasks

AfDs

Godzilla 2: War of the Monsters (5 participants)
Purple Francis (8 participants)
Gilman Louie (2 participants)
Yoshimitsu (3 participants)
Dr. Wily (10 participants)
First Internet Backgammon Server (3 participants)
Emote (2 participants; relisted)
Preston Arsement (6 participants; relisted)
Jackpot World (3 participants; relisted)

Merge discussions

Other discussions

No major discussions

In-game screenshots

Can I ask,how is adding a screenshot of the character in the game unnecessary? Kabelo Lesooana (talk) 05:24, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Kabelo Lesooana: The article already features artwork of CJ, so an in-game screenshot would likely be a violation of WP:NFCC#3a (unless it can be justified in the fair use rationale). – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 05:28, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Rhain okay Thanks Kabelo Lesooana (talk) 06:07, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Quick Facts section update

Should living statuses,religion,children,partners(relationships) be included in the quick facts section? Kabelo Lesooana (talk) 15:58, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 13 March 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. No prejudice against a separate nomination to move to CJ (Grand Theft Auto) or similar, however. (closed by non-admin page mover) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 21:12, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

– Per WP:COMMONNAME. 176.88.80.110 (talk) 17:59, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment do you mean WP:PRIMARYTOPIC?—blindlynx 19:08, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. 176.88.80.110 (talk) 17:31, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Your reasoning is unconvincing. Why should this specific (and fictional) Carl Johnson (who is referred to in the game mostly as CJ) get the main page for the name, while others are relegated to disambiguation? 〜Festucalex • talk • contribs 19:26, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Festucalex. There are nine entries listed upon the Carl Johnson disambiguation page, with no indication that the renown of the video game character is of such immense proportions that it dwarfs the combined notability of the remaining eight entries. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 21:45, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support. I was originally going to oppose per the above votes but, after looking at WP:DPT again, the character definitely seems to meet most principles: it has the highest pageviews (and it's not even close), the highest traffic from the disambiguation page (basically 100%), and the most incoming links (179; the next highest is 167, 115, then under 60). The only factor I'm hesitant to cite is usage in sources, since online searches will almost certainly favour the modern video game character by default. Of course, these aren't absolute factors—and with eight other entries, there's a high bar to be considered "primary"—but I'm leaning towards CJ being the primary topic. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 02:00, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose pageviews are not indication that this fictional game character outweighs the long term existence of all real Carl Johnsons combined. In ictu oculi (talk)

Note that IP is a first edit. Welcome to en.wp and many advantages to having an account. In ictu oculi (talk) 10:59, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose But not for the reasons others are citing. While he is the clear primary topic for "Carl Johnson", his far more common name is "CJ", so he should be moved to CJ (Grand Theft Auto) instead per WP:COMMONNAME. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 13:07, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The bar for a fictional character to take primary topic status when there are real people by the same name has always been set very high. Harry Potter crosses it; Carl Johnson does not. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:21, 15 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Requested move 16 October 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. Andrewa (talk) 23:04, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Carl Johnson (Grand Theft Auto) → Carl Johnson (character) – The video game protagonist is the only fictional character listed in the Carl Johnson disambiguation page; see also WP:CONCISE. 𝚈𝚘𝚟𝚝 (𝚝𝚊𝚕𝚔𝚟𝚝) 22:11, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would also not be opposed to CJ (Grand Theft Auto). 𝚈𝚘𝚟𝚝 (𝚝𝚊𝚕𝚔𝚟𝚝) 22:20, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Fictional characters, WikiProject Video games, and WikiProject Video games/Video game characters have been notified of this discussion. 𝚈𝚘𝚟𝚝 (𝚝𝚊𝚕𝚔𝚟𝚝) 22:20, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. The game/series is the standard disambiguation method per WP:NCVGDAB#7. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 22:23, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Per WP:NCVGDAB which is the consensus agreed-upon guideline. Support Move to CJ (Grand Theft Auto) due to his common name. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:04, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per NCVGDAB.--Ortizesp (talk) 14:11, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Rhain, ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ and Ortizesp. Characters from books, films, TV series, video games, etc are disambiguated via the title of character's source, such as Mary Crawford (Mansfield Park). —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 00:34, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Closing comment: No prospect of consensus to move. I note also that while the article does say he is also known as "CJ", there seems no suggestion that he is more commonly known by that name. If I am wrong about that, then another RM would be in order. Andrewa (talk) 23:04, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.