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Nominator(s): CaptainGalaxy, Pokelego999 14:41, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This list covers the fictional Pokémon species that have been introduced in the second generation of the Pokémon media franchise, specifically Pokémon from the video games Pokémon Gold, Silver and Crystal. Me and co-nominator Pokelego999 have gone through the list and included what information we could find about each species using high quality sources in order to create as comprehensive a list as possible with what sources exist, with a summary of the franchise, the second generation's setting included in the article's lead, and a detailed inclusion of the development and beta of the Pokémon in the second generation. We both believe this meets FL criteria due to its expansive scope of coverage and verifiability in reliable publications. CaptainGalaxy 14:41, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from DoctorWhoFan91

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Reference formatting
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  • The Japanese(an other non-english) titles should have a translation
  • Ref-58:"Bachelor Degree thesis": I don't think that's reliable?
    • They are usable if cited by other, verifiable papers and sources, at least if I'm remembering the rule correctly. Galaxy can give you more on this than me, as he's the one who dug up the source.
  • Some of the "TheGamer" refs do not have it wikilinked

I might check some of the pokemon in the list later. Ping me when replying. DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 07:28, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have gone ahead and wikilinked the remaining TheGamer sources that weren't prior. I am currently in the process of getting help for the translation of the non-english sources, it just may take some time. As for ref-58, I had confirmation from Cowboygilbert off-site that the thesis had been used in other academic sources per WP:SCHOLARSHIP. I have also asked this user additional questions on this thesis on their talk page here. CaptainGalaxy 02:40, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Google-translated titles might be fine, atleast as placeholders. The reference seems fine enough, I just brought it to attention to confirm how reliable it was.

Checking the starters and pure-electric types(17 Pokemon):

  • Grass starters: I see no issues
  • Fire starters: Just like the grass starters, combine the statement about anime cydaquil and it evolving into one. "Due to the leak ... Pokémon community.": I'm not sure that's needed, especially when Typhlosion has its own article
    • Typhlosion's info I felt was worthwhile to retain for those who don't want to read the original article but want a basic lowdown on what makes the species notable. Made the other alteration. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 02:00, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
      • Fine probably, kinda borderline about typhlosion
  • Water starters: I see no issues
  • Pichu: "Several alternate forms of Pichu ... game's competitive scene.": Way too detailed- remove/shorten/make a separate article.
    • Pichu was already deemed non-notable via AfD a while back, and there isn't enough standalone coverage to support an article at this time. The other roles are significant roles for the Pokémon that at least warrant brief mention, particularly the Smash stuff, as it's some of Pichu's real only Reception that was carried over from the AfD's merge. The Smash stuff has significant coverage, so it felt worthwhile to include given it's one of Pichu's important things outside of the series. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 02:00, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
      • Shorten the third paragraph at least, perhaps "Several alternate forms of Pichu appear in the series, such as a "Spiky-Eared" Pichu in Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver, and a ukelele playing Pichu in the 2010 spin-off game Pokémon Ranger: Guardian Signs." and merge with the 4th para
  • Mareep line: "re-growing only a week": re-growing completely only a week. "This light can even be seen ... lighthouses": make this out-of-universe
  • Elekid: "Elekid become happy upon the sound of thunderstorms.": remove, feels in-universery
  • Raikou+Entei+Suicine: "In the film, the character Molly Hale, ... out of control Unown.": shorten.

All in all, a very great list, but gets too detailed and in-universe at times. DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 08:32, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@DoctorWhoFan91: addressed the above. Let me know if anything else should be changed. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 02:00, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Given that the only changes you didn't make were borderline ones, I think will be worthy of being an FL once all of it gets reviewed, so a support from my side. DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 07:38, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@DoctorWhoFan91: Thank you for supporting this list. All non-English sources have now been translated. CaptainGalaxy 22:46, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

TheAstorPastor's comments

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I am bolding some text; it means those particular word(s) have been added or changed.

  • The image Gold and Silver Beta Pokemon.jpg needs an alt text
  • "The generation was unvailed at the beginning of the Nintendo Space World '97 event." => "The generation was unveiled at the beginning of the Nintendo Space World '97 event."
  • franchise before Gold and Silver released => franchise before Gold and Silver was released
  • In these games and their sequels, the player assumes the role of a Trainer whose goal is to capture and use the creatures' special abilities to combat other Pokémon. => In these games and their sequels, the player assumes the role of a Trainer whose goal is to capture Pokémon and use their special abilities to combat other Pokémon
  • Each Pokémon have one or two elemental types => Each Pokémon has one or two elemental types
  • Typically the options are between a Grass Type, a Fire Type and a Water Type. => Typically, the options are Grass-type, Fire-type, or Water-type Pokémon.
  • additionally allowed for more freedom in regards to creating the colors => additionally allowed for more freedom in creating the colors of species
  • At this point in the game's development, the game had a massively larger world map than the final game => At this point in the game's development, it had a significantly larger world map than the final game
  • This line were given the Electric-typing => This line was given the Electric-typing
  • it was discovered that the Kotora line were scrapped from both => it was discovered that the Kotora line had been scrapped from both
  • a viking longship => a Viking longship
  • the Kotora line being scrapped and hoped for the line's return => the Kotora line being scrapped and hoped for its return
  • Some designs that were scrapped designs => Some scrapped designs

That was all I could find :) The AP (talk) 18:55, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@TheAstorPastor: I believe my co-nom has gone through and addressed your concerns. Let us know if anything else needs to be done! Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 02:00, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
All problems have been addressed, including the beta image alt text. As Pokelego mentioned, ping for anymore suggestions needing to be addressed. CaptainGalaxy 03:00, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Captain Galaxy @Pokelego999
  • International Pokémon logo.svg needs an alt text
  • Add italics to Nintendo Life and Kotaku for publication names.
  • Change semicolon to comma in "poll held by The Pokémon Company"
In reception
  • There are two mentions of Pokedex, change it to Pokédex
  • believing the generation to have particularly memorable designs. → noting its particularly memorable designs.
  • to be highly favorable and well-designed. → as highly favorable and well-crafted.
  • believed the games' designs to be among the most creative in the series → regarded the games' designs as among the most creative
  • the former three → three aforementioned Pokémon
The AP (talk) 10:48, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I have gone ahead and added most of the changes you suggested. However, I am confused about the suggestion "Add italics to Nintendo Life and Kotaku for publication names." I looked and I couldn't find examples where that wasn't already the case. Is it ok if you could show where I may be missing this? CaptainGalaxy 11:54, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Captain GalaxyNintendo Life - Gamer Network, Celeste_(video_game)#Farewell, Tetris_Party and see MOS:ITALICTITLE
Kotaku - The title itself is in italics,GTA VI, The Backrooms (it is also a GA) The AP (talk) 12:29, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
As far as I can tell this has already been applied. I don't see anywhere in this article where Nintendo Life or Kotaku aren't in italics. CaptainGalaxy 13:47, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Captain Galaxy Hmm, it appears so . As for the notes :
  • is not believed to have influence on the design → is not believed to have influenced on the design
  • as well as National Pokédex number → as well as National Pokédex number are provided
Ping me when you made the change :) The AP (talk) 14:54, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@TheAstorPastor: Both suggestions have now been implemented. CaptainGalaxy 16:55, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support prose - Great work @Pokelego999, @Captain Galaxy The AP (talk) 17:03, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comments/review from MolecularPilot

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I will be reviewing this article, I'll post my review here once I'm done! :) MolecularPilot 🧪️✈️ 01:04, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Here's my review, amazing work!

Prose
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  • Strengths: The prose is generally clear, concise, and engaging. The writing flows well, explaining complex topics (like game mechanics and design choices) in an accessible way. The language is appropriate for the topic and avoids jargon.
  • Weaknesses: There are some minor grammatical inconsistencies (e.g., inconsistent use of Oxford commas). A few sentences could be rephrased for better clarity, particularly in the "Design and Development" section. For example, "This close association between the generations resulted in many species in the second generation being related to ones introduced in the prior games, or being designs that were scrapped from Red and Blue" could be tightened to something like "This resulted in many second-generation species being related to earlier ones, or reviving designs scrapped from Red and Blue."
Lead
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  • Strengths:The lead provides a good overview of the topic, including the number of Pokémon introduced, the original games, and the region where they're found. It also mentions key features of the generation, like new types and Baby Pokémon.
  • Weaknesses: The lead could be more engaging. While informative, it lacks a hook to grab the reader's attention. Consider starting with a more compelling sentence about the impact or legacy of Generation II. Also, the inclusion criteria are implied (Pokémon introduced in Generation II) but not explicitly stated.
Comprehensiveness
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  • (a) Scope and Coverage: The list appears to cover all 100 Pokémon introduced in Generation II, meeting the requirement. The annotations provide a wealth of information about each Pokémon's design, origins, and role in the franchise.
  • (b) Sourcing: The article is well-sourced, with citations provided for key facts and claims. The use of inline citations is appropriate and consistent.
  • (c) Stand-alone Requirements: The list is substantial enough to stand alone as an article. It doesn't appear to fork content, duplicate material from other articles, or be suitable for inclusion within a related article. The eight-item minimum is easily met.
Structure
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  • Strengths: The table of contents and section headings make the article easy to navigate. The sortable table is a significant asset, allowing readers to organize the Pokémon by name, type, or evolution stage.
  • Weaknesses: The initial table of contents listing every individual Pokémon name feels redundant given the sortable table below. Consider removing this list and linking directly to the section containing the detailed table.
Style
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  • (a) Visual Appeal: The article is visually appealing, with appropriate use of formatting, tables, and images. The use of color in the Pokémon type icons is helpful. The proportion of redlinks is minimal.
  • (b) Media Files: The image of the Pokémon logo is relevant and appropriately captioned. The image of the beta Pokémon sprites is a valuable addition, illustrating the design process. More images of individual Pokémon could enhance the visual appeal, but it is understood they may be problematic due to copyright issues.
  • (c) Accessibility: The formatting appears to be accessible, with correctly structured lists and tables. Alt text for images would further improve accessibility; ensure this is present where possible. While not used now, consistent and correct utilization of alt text for any future media additions is recommended.
Stability
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The page is stable, which satisfies this criterion.

Overall Feedback
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This is a strong featured list candidate. The article is comprehensive, well-sourced, and well-structured. The prose is generally strong, though minor improvements could be made for clarity and consistency. The lead could be made more engaging. More images of individual Pokémon could enrich the visual experience, but the currently included images are relevant and well-chosen. Addressing the minor weaknesses outlined above will further strengthen the article.

Therefore, I support this featured list candidacy. My suggestions for improvement are minor (and don't have to be addressed), but overall it is a very good list. Amazing work Pokelego999! :) MolecularPilot 🧪️✈️ 02:45, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have gone ahead and added the example suggestion for the prose, and already added alt text for the beta sprite image for a prior suggestion. You are also indeed correct when it comes to more images being a copyright concern. If it is ok, could you elaborate a bit more about your suggestion for the lead? CaptainGalaxy 03:20, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I've re-read the lead and I can say that I like the current version, so no further changes are needed. Thanks for making the amazing list! :) MolecularPilot 🧪️✈️ 01:31, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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