Talk:Candy Darling

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This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 30 August 2021 and 10 December 2021. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Se7enjoints.

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Encyclopedia entry

After watching the documentary: "Beautiful Darling", I was curious about the subject. Where is Darling's original name in the lede, infobox or article: James Lawrence Slattery? Maineartists (talk) 03:15, 2 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia forbids publication of birth names of transsexuals. Seems weird to me, but that' the rules: http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Biography#Including_dead_names — Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.70.86.190 (talk) 09:26, 28 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Talk pages aren't "rules". MOS:GENDERID summarizes Wikipedia's current guidelines for writing about transgender individuals. —98.113.213.130 (talk) 02:16, 17 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This sort of rigid dogmatism fuels backlash. Birth names are an objective relevant fact in any biography. Please include it. 2601:285:101:8F0:8D30:2A5A:33CC:FD37 (talk) 19:39, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Gone: An Historical Romance of a Civil War as It Occurred b'tween the Dusky Thighs of One Young Negress and Her Heart.

As complete information as possible should be the rule, unless one want's to write an internet version of Great Soviet Encyclopedia; but Let's go, Brandon! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.212.157.63 (talk) 20:03, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

What is this guy's birth name? An encyclopedia is about truth and knowledge, not political correctness — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8800:219A:DA00:1426:3AD0:CB74:3E3F (talk) 04:40, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, we’re still waiting for his actual name…… odd how a dictionary omits facts certain aspects of society doesn’t want to acknowledge. This is supposed to be a dictionary, not a propaganda machine. List his actual name, please. 2001:569:6FEE:26:4950:D1BA:3E02:E2CA (talk) 09:16, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the Christine Jorgensen bio includes her birth name, so it seems WP is not applying MOS:DEADNAME consistently. Muzilon (talk) 03:56, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rollback

@Materialscientist: This was rolledback w/o explanation. Gonna assume only a misfire with Huggle – rather than misuse; as this edit actually fixes failed verification; and this one is nonsense (very likely ax-grinding to boot). If there's an issue with the infobox, it can be discussed. 2601:701:201:450:851C:11D3:7129:5609 (talk) 11:04, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Trans, transgender, or transsexual

This is the place for the slow-motion edit warring editors to have their conversation, not in the edit comments. Unless a discussion is had here and a consensus acheived, I will continue to revert changes to "transgender," as this is inclusive of "transseexual" and the subject is an icon of the broader transgender community, not just the transsexual subset, and full rather than abbreviated terms are preferred on Wikipedia. IP editors, take note please. Skyerise (talk) 19:54, 11 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Since MOS:GIDINFO is silent on the issue and Candy never labelled herself, I'm deferring to the style guides for AP and GLAAD, both of which default to "transgender" unless requested by the individual. I've added an invisible comment in hopes of deterring future reversions. NuanceQueen (talk) 22:25, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Photo choice rationale?

Can someone explain to me why Candy is pictured on her death bed? Is it just because of the notable photographer?

There's no shortage of photos of her in life, and in my nearly two decades on this site, I think this is the only biography I've seen where the sole photo of the person profiled is them dying. -- Zanimum (talk) 14:38, 30 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, without going about reviewing the criteria for fair use images again, I think they're allowed primarily for the identification of the topic covered. Only about a fifth to a quarter of this photograph aides in the identification of Candy. -- Zanimum (talk) 14:42, 30 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

One final comment, I see that the image is the cover of I Am a Bird Now. But given that the image was taken roughly three decades before the album was released, I'm a little doubtful that it's any "more" fair use than any other image. Why not the poster of Beautiful Darling (2010)?

Essentially, notability was from life, not death, so it's jarring that the photo is of her death. -- Zanimum (talk) 14:46, 30 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

She wasn't dead in this, very much staged, photograph. The actual problem is that the photo is a copyrighted work of noted photographer, Peter Hujar. MaximZero (talk) 03:00, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is there the possibility that her death could have been an early case of AIDS? As her body was cremated, and it's unlikely that samples were kept, we may never know for sure? PatGallacher (talk) 15:49, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]