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A fact from Ben Collins (reporter) appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 1 August 2023 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Ben Collins accepted a job with NBC News on the condition that the company also hire Brandy Zadrozny?

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Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:36, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Collins in 2022

... that Ben Collins (pictured) accepted a job offer with NBC News contingent on the news organization also hiring Brandy Zadrozny? Source: [1]
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/We Didn’t Start The Fire (Fall Out Boy)
- Comment:

Created by Red-tailed hawk (talk). Self-nominated at 02:18, 30 June 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Ben Collins (reporter); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: While I would prefer to see another hook, I won't hold up this DYK. Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 22:31, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Red-tailed hawk: Someone tagged the article for notability. Lightburst (talk) 23:09, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- I think it passes the relevant notability criteria. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 02:09, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Rising

User:Sundayclose, what makes you think this is WP:RS and WP:DUE? 93.72.49.123 (talk) 23:47, 13 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

it meets the criteria at WP:RS. If you disagree, wait for consensus here. Sundayclose (talk) 00:06, 14 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Which criteria? There's no evidence that Rising has any editorial oversight. For all I care, it should be treated the same way we treat Fox News talk shows. 93.72.49.123 (talk) 00:26, 14 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Again, read WP:ONUS: content that is disputed stays out until there is consensus for its inclusion. 93.72.49.123 (talk) 00:26, 14 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NOTEVERYTHING. What makes that content DUE? I don't see it. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:54, 14 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm also not seeing it. I'm grateful that we don't typically include criticism sourced only to morning news opinion shows, and I don't believe there's a compelling reason to do so here. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 01:56, 14 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Apropos your disruptive revert of my edit today: What part of WP:THEHILL do you not understand? You're attempting to override the consensus documented there.--RudolfoMD (talk) 02:18, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This isn't a Hill news piece, it's an opinion shared on a morning news talk show. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 02:21, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's in a Hill publication. If you want to dispute the finding that it's generally reliable, etc, bring it up at RS/N. --RudolfoMD (talk) 06:18, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Am I reading consensus wrong here? I'm seeing more opposition than support, and I'd have to stretch to see something more than "no consensus". Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 20:10, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Eh. I went ahead and asked for input at WP:RSN. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 21:01, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I see more support - prior consensus from RSN, User:Sundayclose and I and recent input you received at WP:RSN ALL say that it's a reliable source. But the article currently reflects edit warring against that consensus. As far as DUE, we seem to be at loggerheads. I think it's necessary for the reader to understand why Ben Collins was suspended. Right now they can't. How do we fix that? Additionally, it's rare for a news reporter to be called out in the media for mis-reporting. Furthermore, when it happens, the reason it's generally notable is that it serves an important self-policing function.

Also, the article has been incorrected* to indicate that Collins attacked Matt Taibbi's reporting, when he actually attacked Matt Taibbi (ad hominem). *is that a word? If not, should be. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RudolfoMD (talk • contribs) 09:39, 19 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Incorrect awards claim

Wikipedia warns that the Walter Cronkite Award for Excellence in Journalism is "Not to be confused with the USC Annenberg School for Communication and Journalism's Walter Cronkite Award for Excellence in Television Political Journalism." but editors have confused them. --RudolfoMD (talk) 06:18, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'll admit that I had been confused when making this. My apologies. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 19:21, 31 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Collins suspension

I'm reading through sources on the Collins suspension, and they don't seem to indicate that something Twitter Files-related was the cause. (See, for example [2]). I've removed some material that may have been taken to imply that his criticism of Taibbi was the cause for the suspension. — Red-tailed sock _{(Red-tailed hawk's nest)} 16:03, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]