Talk:2023–2024 Georgian protests

These protests and the post-election protests should be different protests.

We shouldn't include the post-election protests in this article.  — 魔琴 (Zauber Violino) [ talk contribs ] 08:05, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Agree. Labrang (talk) 10:17, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

เป็นบทความที่สำคัญ 2001:44C8:6240:67FE:0:0:0:1 (talk) 11:25, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Rename [again]

Since I see frequent confusion over the scope of this article, injecting protest descriptions that deal with the post-election protests of fall/winter 2024, for which we have a separate page, I would like to propose a rename closer to the scope, as we have done with the post-election protest page.

• An appropriate suggestion would be Georgian Foreign Agent Law protests (with or without years) as raised in the archived topic of last Spring. This describes in a single compact, concise title exactly what it is about.
• Objections that it is not the formal title of the said law/bill may be correct. However, the proposed name (the part "foreign agent law") is shorter than spelling out the full name. More importantly it is also how the law is commonly and informally referred to (next to "Russian law") as well as concisely covers the aspect of the law ("foreign agent" label, explicitly or implicitly) that was the very nature of the objections against the law.
• I would also suggest to use the word "law" instead of "bill". The latter is effectively just the name for a (political) proposal towards a law. The end aim of the bill was a law in this case - and it was indeed adopted as a law. In timing, the protests were during the "bill" phase, however, the protests were aimed against the (final) adoption of such a law.

Thanks for your attention, I hope for a positive/constructive feedback. Labrang (talk) 20:53, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

Renaming is necessary given that there are now other protests in Georgia in 2024.  — 魔琴 (Zauber Violino) [ talk contribs ] 17:33, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

I would support moving to Georgian Foreign Influence Law protests

The both 2023 and 2024 versions of the law were called "Foreign Influence Laws".

Second (2024) version of the law does not includes the term "foreign agent" at all, neither in name or any other part of the law. Also, specifically label "foreign agent" was not central objection against the law, if so, there would have been no protests in 2024 as the term was removed and replaced with the label "organizations carrying the interests of a foreign power". Nivzaq (talk) 22:56, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

That is the literal text of the law, but replacement of "foreign agent" with a euphemism "an organisation pursuing the interests of a foreign power" that says and literally means the same thing in the implementation isn't making a difference. It still falls under the category of so-called foreign agent laws, regardless whether the literal expression is not written in the law. The objections against the law were against this part of the law, the nature of it being a "foreign agent" law, regardless its literall text - the objective is the same. But if others think that "foreign influence" is more clear and accurate to our readers... be my guest.</nowiki> Labrang (talk) 08:16, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

"It still falls under the category of so-called foreign agent laws, regardless whether the literal expression is not written" - The protesters were claiming that the Georgian law is fundamentally different from the American foreign agent law. Personally I don't agree with this, but still, this position should be taken into account because it was one of the main claims of the protesters and NPOV rule.

"The objections against the law were against this part of the law, the nature of it being a "foreign agent" law, regardless its literall text - the objective is the same." - No. The main objection against the law by the opponents was that the Western-funded NGOs would need to go under additional scrutiny, not only by having to bear a specific label, but also by registering in special registry for foreign-funded organizations, because they believe Western-funded NGOs are a priori good and don't need this scrutiny. The other side, on the other hand, believes that propping up NGOs is the Western soft power mechanism to influence public opinion in other countries and therefore, it does not serves national interests. Thus, the title "Georgian Foreign Influence Law protests" reflects more broader scope of debate about the law rather than focusing on label. Nivzaq (talk) 10:18, 22 December 2024 (UTC)