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Article improvement
[edit]I feel, one of the key article of this wikiproject, Automotive engineering needs a good revision and copy edit. I would love to help in the process as much as viable. Being a civil engineering student I am unknown of some key terms. In addition, i see the need of forming a new article Automobile engineering much famous in South asian countries including Nepal and India to flourish the information regarding the subject and make the area of study open to fellow readers.Franked2004 (talk)
TDI (engine)
[edit]Hello. There's some kind of unusual activity on TDI (engine). I'm not sure if the edits are constructive or not. Could someone take a look? Ae245 (talk) 11:02, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Reverted all; all of the edits were suspicious and unsourced. 750h+ 11:43, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
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The article Trailer light converter has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
This page is linked by one article, trailer (vehicle)#Electrical components, it summarizes this article well. sometimes you need another device to connect the lights on the trailer to a car. I am not sure that there is much more that is encyclopedic to say about it
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- That article says nothing of substance and has no references. Change it to be a redirect to trailer (vehicle)#Electrical components. Stepho talk 00:37, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
Done by User:Gnisacc. Stepho talk 00:03, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
Japan Mobility Show (former Tokyo Motor Show) needs rewrite
[edit]Japan Mobility Show has changed format from biannual to something more complicated described in this official press release. Article could do with an update/rewrite to accurately describe what the new format of the show, as it's a pretty significant change. 2.107.248.41 (talk) 23:26, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Press release says that it now runs every year, with alternating years focusing on business links or customer links. Stepho talk 00:06, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
Idea
[edit]I was thinking of creating a list of what we'd consider "reliable" and "unreliable" sources on the WP Automobiles project. Pinging such editors as @Andra Febrian, Mr.choppers, and Stepho-wrs: to see their opinions on this. 750h+ 04:47, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Do you have any suggestions? I'm open for it but Wikipedia policy WP:RS feels sufficient for now. Andra Febrian (talk) 15:54, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- I feel like Top Gear (magazine), Classic and Sports Car, and Autocar (magazine) would be top-tier reliable, while Carsales and Autoblog might be on the concerning-spec, and blogspot and Best Selling Cars Blog would be unreliable. 750h+ 16:02, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- I think WP:RS is largely sufficient, to be honest. If anything, I'd like to add a note regarding those spec compilation sites (automobile catalog, carfolio, and ultimate specs - in order of reliability IMHO) can be trusted for basic specifications but are considered to be of less weight than reliable, secondary sources. Same thing for manufacturers' publications - fine to verify specs, dates, etcetera, but not for anything contentious or any value statements. Mr.choppers | ✎ 18:44, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- I feel like Top Gear (magazine), Classic and Sports Car, and Autocar (magazine) would be top-tier reliable, while Carsales and Autoblog might be on the concerning-spec, and blogspot and Best Selling Cars Blog would be unreliable. 750h+ 16:02, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Same, let's just follow WP:RS. Most of the the well-known car magazines are very reliable sources. The compilation sites I don't trust much - some of them have merely scraped data/images from my own site and I'm reasonably sure they do no fact checking of their own. Non-car magazines (eg New York Times) are fine for very basic facts but are usually not written by or for car enthusiasts - more like telling rich readers which car makes this year's best image statement. Manufacturers are also fine for basic facts (eg wheelbase, engine size, release dates but not power, emission or fuel economy figures) - as always, if there is a buck to made for "enhancing" the truth then it will be stretched within an inch of its life.
- I'm not seeing a big problem with choosing reliable sources. Is this a major issue that you are seeing? Stepho talk 00:11, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm gonna go against the grain here and say I actually think this is a decent idea since i've found many larger general sources which are considered reliable by WP:RS such as the NYT to be less reliable and substantially less detailed than smaller and less established enthusiast run news sites and blogs, and certainly less reliable than established enthusiast sites and magazines. There are also a handful of semi well established car news sites which seem to have suspect reliability but are cited in many articles. Off the top of my head, HotCars comes to mind, as its basically a quantity over quality content farm. TKOIII (talk) 20:42, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- I disagree. This discussion so far has been about magazines and newspapers which are not exactly scientific studies, they're chat at the end of the day and often based on or consisting of paid material even if the final text is written by the publication. A decidedly reliable source can repeat the same press release as a decidedly unreliable source, doesn't change anything about the quality of the information. Unreliable claims should be made on case basis, and if a source can be found that is questionable without a reliable one being found by the editor, than the substance of the article should be considered more than putting a list together somewhere else. Rally Wonk (talk) 22:10, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
Engine Charts
[edit]Hello! Remodeled The Engine Charts for the Honda K Engine To make it slightly more compact and a bit easier to read. Please give your opinion on this: Draft:Honda K Engine MotoMottor (talk) 17:31, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
Pilot (automobile) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) contains 3 different unrelated topics. That's a problem, since it is not a topic article, but a grabbag of independent topics that share a name. There are also other automobiles not in this article called Pilot listed at Pilot (disambiguation). -- 65.92.247.96 (talk) 07:13, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
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65.92.247.96 (talk) 07:13, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Update: This has been split into 3 artricles -- 65.92.247.96 (talk) 03:54, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
Before I start a massive RM
[edit]I've been wondering for ages why articles about EVs in regions are all called "plug-in electric vehicle in X", for instance plug-in electric vehicles in the United States. I don't think that's the WP:common name (anymore?), and people almost uniformly refer to these cars as EVs now. Before I open a RM with >100 entries, I thought I would ask here. —Femke 🐦 (talk) 20:08, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- You may want to consider that an EV is technically any vehicle that is driven purely by electric motors and that the electricity may come from different sources. Sources may include purely batteries (PEV or battery EV), fuel cells (FCEV), a petrol engine (series hybrid or electric drivetrain), solar power and others. Add in petrol powered range extender options that can charge batteries but not fast enough to power the vehicle in motion. Stepho talk 00:13, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Is that true? The DOE defines an EV as relying on batteries. Similarly, the IEA defines an EV as a BEV + plug-in hybrids. The Wikipedia article on electric vehicle uses a 1996 source for its definition on the other hand. —Femke 🐦 (talk) 08:58, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- But that is a US only definition. Remember that Wikipedia is international. Australia defines 4 types of EV - BEV, PHEV, FCEV and regenerative hybrids. See https://arena.gov.au/renewable-energy/electric-vehicles . Other countries may differ again. Stepho talk 09:25, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with Stepho - the current titles are clearer and more understandable internationally. --Sable232 (talk) 00:22, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
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First
[edit]After 20 years of this project being open, our featured list has been promoted! It is List of Mercedes-EQ vehicles for anyone who's interested. 750h+ 00:42, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
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Question
[edit]Hi people of the project, could i ask if you all consider Electrek a reliable source? 750h+ 11:24, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- It's pretty spotty. I think it was discussed at RSN a while back. They were big on Tesla a while back (sycophant level) but that enthusiasm may have waned. A large portion of their content comes from a single author. If they are the best source you have it's probably content that we should question. Springee (talk) 11:47, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- It's fine for basic facts. I generally trust Fred Lambert's articles. As with any magazine, take care when they give opinions. Stepho talk 23:51, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks. Could i also get some opinions on Top Speed? 750h+ 08:40, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Top Speed the magazine is excellent. The TV show is utter crap presented by clowns for laugh value only. Stepho talk 10:38, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- I think you're referring to Top Gear and the Top Gear TV series. I'm talking about Top Speed. Are we referring to the same thing? 750h+ 10:40, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Top Speed the magazine is excellent. The TV show is utter crap presented by clowns for laugh value only. Stepho talk 10:38, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oops, you're right. I was thinking of Top Gear. I have no opinion on Top Speed. Stepho talk 11:16, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
Tesla Model S
[edit]Hello contributors of the project, the article Tesla Model S, one of the most important electric vehicles of the 21st century, has been put up for FAC, if you would like to leave your comments, they'd be highly appreciated. Much thanks, 750h+ 13:15, 21 August 2024 (UTC)