Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of presidents of Burundi/archive1

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The list was promoted by Hey man im josh via FACBot (talk) 00:26, 30 July 2024 (UTC) [1].

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List of presidents of Burundi

List of presidents of Burundi (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

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Nominator(s): MPGuy2824 (talk) 14:21, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Something from a different continent this time. I’ve modelled it on similar heads of state FLs. I’ve improved the lead and table accessibility. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 14:19, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

P.S. This is for the Developing Countries WikiContest. I encourage reviewers to join soon, if it seems interesting (since July 15 is the last date that they are accepting new signups). -MPGuy2824 (talk) 14:21, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Comments by Staraction

• "The first constitution to specify the powers and duties of the president was the constitution of 1974 adopted in 1976." --> "The first constitution to specify the powers and duties of the president was the constitution of 1974, which was adopted in 1976."
• "The constitution, written by Micombero, affirmed his position as the first president of Burundi." --> "Written by Micombero, the consistution affirmed his position as the first president of Burundi"; also include some more details on what this affirmation meant, perhaps? What powers did it grant him (back then)?
• "The powers of the president derive from the 2005 constitution implemented as a result of the 2000 Arusha Accords after the Burundian Civil War." --> "Currently, the powers of the president derive from the [...]"
• Include more Wikilinks for clarity - ie. Supreme Court, provincial governors, etc.
• See also section has an indented bullet - is this intentional?
• I might be mistaken but I believe source [1] (the Xinhua article) does not verify the claim in the article that "Nkurunziza was elected for a third term, as the Constitutional Court considered that first, indirectly elected term, did not count towards the limit". This Al-Jazeera article for the footnote might be a better source, while the Xinhua article can still be used for the infobox. (Personally I wouldn't use Xinhua but I suppose it isn't deprecated)

Thanks for this list @MPGuy2824, it's quite important and I'm excited to see it become featured! Staraction (talk | contribs) 19:12, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

• Powers granted by the 1974 constitution: I was sadly unable to find anything specific about what new powers he got, but this was 8 years after his coup, and it would be reasonable to assume that the constitution (officially) granted him the powers that he was already using until then.
• "Currently" is frowned upon by the MOS. I've added an "As of 2024" at the beginning, and an {{update after}} template at the end of that sentence.
• Fixed the rest. @Staraction: Thanks for the review. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 09:14, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

  Looks good. Support on prose! Staraction (talk | contribs) 22:35, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Drive-by comment

• Per MOS:COLOR you can't use colour alone to indicate acting presidents, you will need to use a symbol as well for the benefit of people who cannot discern colours -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:05, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

  Double dagger added. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 16:59, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Hey man im josh

What verifies the information in the table? I went to verify the info, such as the assassinations, and I'm not sure how I'm supposed to do so in this case (please ping when you respond). Hey man im josh (talk) 16:16, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

@Hey man im josh: I've now moved the references that were already there in the table to a new column and added a bunch more. Please take another look when you can. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 10:22, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Image review

• Coat of arms of Burundi.svg and No image.png are public domain images with relevant tags.
• Evariste Ndayishimiye (cropped).jpg is GODL and has an appropriate CC tag.
• Prime Minister Micombero in 1966.png (via Crowning of Ntare V in Burundi.webm), Jean Baptiste Bagaza - 1978.tiff, Melchior Ndadaye.png, Sylvie Kinigi at Bujumbura airport, 1993.jpg, Pierre Buyoya at Chatham House 2013 crop.jpg, Pierre Buyoya at Chatham House 2013 crop.jpg (via Pierre Buyoya at Chatham House 2013.jpg), Domitien Ndayizeye, President of Burundi (2) (cropped).jpg and President Nkurunziza of Burundi (6920275109) (cropped).jpg, have appropriate license tags.
• Pierre Buyoya 1990 cropped.jpg has appropriate CC tags but states that it has not yet been reviewed to confirm that the license is valid. Visit of Sylvestre Ntibantunganya, President of Burundi, to the EC (cropped).jpg and Cyprien Ntaryamira at a FRODEBU rally (cropped).jpg, also have not been reviewed.
• None of the CC licensed images have US tags.

The images all have CC or PD licenses that seem reasonable. Pierre Buyoya 1990 cropped.jpg, Visit of Sylvestre Ntibantunganya, President of Burundi, to the EC (cropped).jpg and Cyprien Ntaryamira at a FRODEBU rally (cropped).jpg need review. simongraham (talk) 13:48, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Only Cyprien Ntaryamira at a FRODEBU rally (cropped).jpg or its source Cyprien Ntaryamira at a FRODEBU rally.jpg need review. simongraham (talk) 07:12, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

Comments

• "Additionally, one president, Pierre Buyoya, served" - no reason for the word "additionally"
• Sorting on the first column doesn't work correctly, you need to use hidden sort templates to make the dashes and the one in brackets sort in the correct place
• "However, Nkurunziza was elected for a third term" - remove "however" and show his full name
• If you are going to link Constitutional Court in the notes, it should be linked in note a, not note d -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:40, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

  @ChrisTheDude: For the sorting, I'm not sure where to place "(3)". For now, I've placed it just under 6, like in the initial sort order of the table. I've fixed the other issues that you've pointed out. Thanks for the review. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 10:18, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

  You've not fixed the last one....... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 10:31, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

  Odd: I was sure that I did it, but maybe I hadn't pressed "Publish". Anyway, looking over the list again, I notice that the phrase is wikilinked in the lead, so I've removed the link from the notes. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 10:43, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

• Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:15, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Source review by Fritzmann

Hello, this is my first foray into FLC; I usually hang around GAN. I will be doing the source review, and because it is my first one I will probably be more thorough than strictly required. Other reviewers and nominator, please feel free to correct any errors I may unknowingly stumble into.

1. Xinhua is the state news source of China, but is considered reliable for non-China topics. However, I don't think this is the best source because it states that the draft constitution will allow for 7 years and up to 2 terms. Is there a more recent source that is based on the finalized constitution?

   You are the second reviewer to look askance at that xinhua ref. I've removed the source completely. The relevant prose is supported by the constitution ref. -MPGuy2824 (talk)

2. NYT is considered a reliable source. It verifies the date of the establishment of the republic, but from what I can see only infers that Micombrero was President, not that he established the presidency. I don't think it's much of a stretch, but just wanted to point this out.
3. Reference 3 (the 2005 constitution), needs page numbers. I believe the first instance is page 1, and the second is page 5. Further, this source does not support the claim "as of 2024" since it was published in 2005. It could support "as of 2005", but a more recent source would be needed to support "as of 2024".

   Another reviewer had a problem with a previous version of this sentence. I've now rewritten the sentence to incorporate both sets of feedback. -MPGuy2824 (talk)

4. Cambridge University Press is considered reliable. From what I can tell, it adequately supports the article's claim without issues.
5. NYT again. No issues.
6. Africa Spectrum is a peer reviewed journal and I can find no issues with its reliability.
7. Al Jazeera is considered generally reliable in this subject area. Support the note.
8. Include page 20 where this claim is found for ease of verifiability

   Done. -MPGuy2824 (talk)

9. I do not have access to ref 9 and will assume good faith.
10. Does not support election year of 1984, took office date of 1 November, and does not mention UPRONA or Nzambimana.

    Common ref added.

11. Mentions coup year, but not took office date of 3 September. Also does not mention UPRONA or military affiliation, or prime minister Sibomana.

    Common ref added.

12. Supports chronology of events, but FRODEBU and prime minister Kinigi are not present.

    Common ref added.

13. AGF on French foreign language source.
14. I do not have access to reference 14.

    Try accessing via WP:TWL

15. I am not able to find much info on IWACU. Their website also does not list their staff or editorial team, so I am a bit concerned on reliability here.

    I've replaced this ref. -MPGuy2824 (talk)

16. Ref 16 supports year of 2003, but not date of 30 April. Also does not mention political party.

    Common ref added.

17. Does mention party, but I don't see any mention of the chronology of his presidency.

    Added a ref to support years as president. -MPGuy2824 (talk)

18. AGF on French foreign language source.

Citations for the last paragraph of the lead are likely warranted, despite the straightforwardness of the claims. Please respond above to concerns on sources, thanks in advance for your patience with me! Fritzmann (message me) 14:56, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

I've fixed some of the issues. Will ping you after I take a stab at fixing the rest. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 10:34, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Looks good so far. I will be travelling and not have access to the wiki starting on Friday, so for promotion purposes I support once all of the above issues have been addressed. Fritzmann (message me) 14:46, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

@Fritzmann2002: It took me some time to find a ref with covered the entire timeline of independent Burundi. It is now linked to in the table caption. A few straggling pieces of information still don't have sources, but the only solution for that is to remove whole columns, and I'm sure to get pushback from list watchers about that. There are now references for a couple of the statements in the last paragraph of the lead. I don't think the remaining statements are as contestable as those two. Please have a look at the list when you can. There is no particular rush. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 09:54, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Support, thanks for your hard work. Fritzmann (message me) 14:49, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Hey man im josh

To add to the source review above, which MPGuy looks to have largely implemented, I also have some feedback:

• Ref 1 – This New York Times source requires a subscription, please specify that
• Ref 2 – Could use a publisher
• Ref 3 – Add [[United Press International|UPI]] as the agency
• Ref 3 – Use |at=Section B., p. 5 to call out the section and page
• Ref 4 – Perhaps it would make sense to add University of Ottawa
• Ref 8 and 9 – These Washington Post sources requires a subscription, please specify that

Other than that, I'm happy. Good stuff MPGuy!! Please ping me when you reply. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:08, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

Josh, thanks for the review. I've made all the changes that you've suggested. Implementing some of Fritzmann's suggestions will probably involve replacing some of the refs, so I'd prefer if you indicate your Support/Oppose after those changes are in. I'll ping you here when that is done. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 09:00, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

@Hey man im josh: I've added refs in response to Fritzman's comments. Feel free to take another look when you can. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 09:56, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

I'm happy. Support. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:22, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Nom's comment: This now has 2 source reviews and a few good faith edits which unfortunately removed some table accessibility features. I'm in discussion with the editor, and will note (for my own reference) that Fritzmann's review was for revision 1234253945 and Josh's review was for revision 1234660604. I will ping both of you once the list meets the FL criteria again and your particular feedback is incorporated or commented on. Thanks. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 09:30, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

• Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FLC/ar, and leave the {{featured list candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:47, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

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