User talk:White Arabian Filly/Archive March 2016

Question

Are you another one of those "neigh-sayers"? Atsme^📞📧 00:30, 4 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ha! 😃 On AfDs I'm more likely to vote keep unless it's some Facebook group or other silliness. On other stuff, I call it as I see it but I tend to want more articles and more editors! White Arabian Filly ^Neigh 01:21, 4 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Same here, but every now and then we really do have to clear the cruft! (A facebook group? Seriously?) LOL! Montanabw ^(talk) 05:22, 4 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

LOL Horsegeek^(talk) 16:30, 4 March 2016 (UTC)Horsegeek[reply]

Yep, they want to bring Chrome Home! White Arabian Filly ^Neigh 21:37, 4 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks :)

Hi WAF, I wanted to drop you a note to say thank you for your pointers and suggestions. Have a nice summer!JackieLL007 (talk) 14:16, 7 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome. I have been busy in real life lately and haven't been doing as much on here as usual. If I can help with anything else, let me know. White Arabian Filly ^Neigh 20:32, 7 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Your GA nomination of Black Allan (horse)

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Black Allan (horse) you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Wilhelmina Will -- Wilhelmina Will (talk) 04:01, 8 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ka-CHING!

A project with Amazon.com vouchers as prizes! [1] if you want to go for the voucher, I want to go for the wikicup points. We could bring Welsh Pony and Cob up to GA. Big thing would be to add more sources from nation-of-origin to supplement the fairly US-centric tone. I might reformat how the images are presented too. Interested? Montanabw ^(talk) 19:37, 9 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I don't care about the vouchers because I don't order stuff online and even if I won them wouldn't use them (my parents had their identity stolen years ago and I don't give out info, don't even do Facebook), but sure, I'll help with the article for free. I can check out Google Books and find some more sources and help with expansion. I'll post at the talk page when I find something, or just add it in if it's really good. White Arabian Filly ^Neigh 01:33, 10 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Guinea Pigs

	The baby guinea pig award
	For being nice and quite patient with newbies, even challenging ones, you are hereby awarded some low-maintenance baby guinea-wikipigs. Soft, fuzzy, and with gentle chuffing noises to fill your heart! Enjoy! Montanabw ^(talk) 19:42, 9 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Hopefully they don't require feeding as often as real ones! White Arabian Filly ^Neigh 01:34, 10 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Another newbie

Yours, all yours: [2]. Montanabw ^(talk) 02:02, 13 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

They have now been welcomed... White Arabian Filly ^Neigh 15:58, 13 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Stuff

Morning! I was wanting to send you some horsey material but you don't have email activated. Atsme^📞📧 15:18, 13 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have email at all (crappy smartphone! It makes everything else so annoying I don't even try it). Can you link me to it if it's online? Thanks for trying. 🐎 White Arabian Filly ^Neigh 15:54, 13 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Well, let me see if I can provide an overview. To begin, I can't create the article myself because of a COI (I was the producer at the time so all I can do is make suggestions) but I think it has merit for its historic value as an article in our category, Project Equine (sports). It would pass GNG for a number of reasons:

It first aired as a special on PBS affiliates in 1993;
It stars celebrity William Shatner when he was active showing American Saddlebreds. It is a unique behind-the-scenes look at Belle Reve Farms with Bill talking to the audience about breeding and showing American Saddlebreds;
It focuses on breeding, raising, selling and showing American Saddlebreds; therefore, it may also qualify under equine (sports);
It won the very first award ever sponsored for Broadcast Media Excellence (see my user page) by the American Horse Shows Association, this link will take you to the uploaded pages of the articles from the two magazines.
It was the first tv episode of its kind for the American Saddlebred Association and AHSA;
It was covered in the American Saddlebred magazine, and also in "Horse Show Magazine" which was the publication for AHSA at the time;

Let me know if you need more info. Best!! Atsme^📞📧 17:24, 13 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That's interesting, I'll start a draft and work on it. I think it's worth doing and it'll fit in with the American Saddlebred Horse Association article, which I wrote. Is there a link to the show itself? The facebook link only brought up a short description and not the articles. I think Belle Reve Farm may also meet notability; for the show I did a quick userspace stub creation covering all basics; will expand later. White Arabian Filly ^Neigh 20:17, 13 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker)I think that Atsme can provide properly formatted references to hardcopy material, and I can access it via email to provide the double-check that it says what it says... I don't have the time/space to do this particular article, but I can pop by to be second whip... also, there is a mention (brief) of Shatner in American Saddlebred and we could expand the stuff about his equestrian pursuits at his bio article here (I did something similar at Wayne Newton, for example). Montanabw ^(talk) 21:06, 13 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, thanks to both of you. The article is at User:White Arabian Filly/A Celebration of Horses: The American Saddlebred. White Arabian Filly ^Neigh 21:32, 13 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

See the program at this link. It's not broadcast quality and it's watermarked because of licensing. It looks decent on a cell phone because it was uploaded as a small file. Atsme^📞📧 21:59, 13 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

WAF - would it be ok with you if I played in your Sandbox to do a little copyediting and maybe make suggestions? Atsme^📞📧 21:49, 13 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Y'know, I gotta say that Shatner is actually one hell of a good rider; most men his size cannot ride saddle seat that well; he could damn near win an equitation class. Count me kind of surprised. Montanabw ^(talk) 03:35, 14 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Put a bit of stuff in the draft you created. Hope it helps. Horsegeek^(talk) 13:57, 14 March 2016 (UTC)Horsegeek[reply]

Thanks for all help, and it's fine to play in the sandbox. Incidentally, the guy I learned from was close to Shatner's size, and he was a very good rider as well. Not all heavier riders flop and bounce.

By the way, Shatner and Ch. Call Me Ringo did a presentation at the 2010 WEG, and I think the horse may be notable for that and his other accomplishments.

I haven't had a chance to watch the whole program yet, but will try later. (Hungry baby guinea pigs.)

White Arabian Filly ^Neigh 18:32, 14 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

WAF, please upload some pictures of your baby cuy. "Baby Cuy" was the nickname my ex-boyfriend tagged on me after our Patagonia trip. *LOL* Also - see the following for possible references or images for "A Celebration of Horses: The American Saddlebred".

thumb|Scanned image of the cover, January/February 1994 issue of The American Saddlebred magazine featuring William Shatner

thumb|Scanned image of the article, TV Series Featuring Saddlebreds Honored, pg 86, January/February 1994 issue of The American Saddlebred magazine.

thumb|Scanned image of PBS Access Channels airing A Celebration of Horses: The American Saddlebred, pg 87, January/February 1994 issue of The American Saddlebred magazine.

thumb|Scanned image of the article, TV Series Featuring Saddlebreds Honored, pg 88, January/February 1994 issue of The American Saddlebred magazine.

^^^Note: I used a colon before File so the images wouldn't show-up and you'd have only the link. Atsme^📞📧 19:37, 15 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the stuff; I'm going to read the scanned pages and use the info there in the article.

I'll try to upload a picture or two sometime soon. There are 3 babies and one is brown and white, one's black and white, and one is calico (white, black and orange spotted). They are still eating milk about 5 times a day (1 1/2 weeks old).

I did quick userspace stub creations of Sky Watch and Imperator. All of you feel free to help on them or any of my other drafts.White Arabian Filly ^Neigh 20:12, 15 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Your GA nomination of Black Allan (horse)

The article Black Allan (horse) you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Black Allan (horse) for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Wilhelmina Will -- Wilhelmina Will (talk) 20:01, 16 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Black Allan (horse)

It was already a good article. Now its a better article. Nicely done. 20:49, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

Thank you! White Arabian Filly ^Neigh 20:53, 16 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

My pleasure. Now a 'gooder' artice. You did a very credible job on documenting a keystone horse. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 15:55, 17 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

CONGRATS WAF! Yay for you! Montanabw ^(talk) 22:15, 17 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

LOL. Couldn't add more enthusiasm as Montanabw! Good job Horsegeek^(talk) 22:39, 17 March 2016 (UTC)Horsegeek[reply]

I heard all the cheering and stopped by to see whassup. WOW!!! Congratulations WAF!!! Atsme^📞📧 03:40, 18 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks to all of you! 😁 White Arabian Filly ^Neigh 15:07, 18 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Did you know nominations/Black Allan (horse)

Hello,

I have reviewed the above nomination and will follow it on my watchlist. I do have some reservations about the suggested hook, and have left comments concerning possible improvements. I greatly enjoyed reading the article, and believe it deserves a hook that draws in the largest possible audience.

Georgejdorner (talk) 19:09, 18 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Georgejdorner, I added an alt hook that I think is more interesting, and pinged my co-contributor to see if she has any ideas. White Arabian Filly ^Neigh 20:45, 18 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I have again reviewed the nomination, and approved it as GTG. However, your ALT3 hook as written was too long. I passed the nom on the earlier hook.Georgejdorner (talk) 18:23, 21 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

DYK Flim Flam

Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Flim_Flam_(horse) Uh, is this how you do it? Horsegeek ^{Whisper in a horse's ear} 20:47, 18 March 2016 (UTC)Horsegeek[reply]

The nom looks good. I changed the hook a little to link to the article and make it clearer. Want me to make an alt hook about him being gelded to become a Grand Prix horse? Sometimes they prefer a weird hook. White Arabian Filly ^Neigh 20:53, 18 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Wilhelm Tell II

Not very important, but while the DYK of Flim Flam is being reviewed, I'm going to work on another horse, Wilhelm Tell II. Found a lot of sources about him. :) Not too important, I don't think I'm going to do a DYK on him, but it's worth the time writing. Do you know anything about him? Just wondering. Horsegeek ^{Whisper in a horse's ear} 01:16, 19 March 2016 (UTC)Horsegeek[reply]

I don't know much except he sired Flim Flam and apparently some other notable horses. I can help with it. White Arabian Filly ^Neigh 01:19, 19 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not so sure, when I look it up, there's a Wilhelm Tell I and II. Am I wrong? Because they are both sired by Wedekind and out of Donauliese. User:Horsegeek/Wilhelm Tell II (horse) Horsegeek ^{Whisper in a horse's ear} 01:21, 19 March 2016 (UTC)Horsegeek[reply]

Yep, found a page that says it http://www.lynnsporthorses.com/index/Our_Stallions They are actually full brothers! Horsegeek ^{Whisper in a horse's ear} 02:27, 19 March 2016 (UTC)Horsegeek[reply]

It's strange they'd give them almost identical names. Usually a family of horses have similar names, like Merry Go Boy's son was Go Boy's Shadow, but they're not that close. I think both of them may be notable. White Arabian Filly ^Neigh 15:01, 19 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Quick question, do you think this site is on the actual Wilhelm Tell II? It seems like it. http://www.longandshortreviews.com/uncategorized/monday-spotlight-claire-ashgrove/ Horsegeek ^{Whisper in a horse's ear} 18:57, 19 March 2016 (UTC)Horsegeek[reply]

I think it is. It's unlikely they'd allow two horses with the same name in the same breed registry, and I don't think there's more than one Hanoverian registry in the US. White Arabian Filly ^Neigh 20:04, 19 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Horsegeek European horse naming conventions are more comfortable than USA with using I, II, III, IV, etc... if you really want to rip your hair out, the Lipizzans name horses with sire and dam's name combined, so you can sometimes have near-identical names; the Bábolna stud in Hungary did something like that too, with Roman numerals--there are so many Arabians named "Siglavy Baghdady" in pedigrees that it makes me want to rip my hair out...! May want to dig a little in the German archives... but allbreedpedigree verifies they were full brothers (Allbreed is an "anyone can edit" source that can have mistakes, but... [3] ) Montanabw ^(talk) 03:35, 22 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Flim Flam (horse) has been nominated for Did You Know

Hello, White Arabian Filly. Flim Flam (horse), an article you either created or significantly contributed to, has been nominated to appear on Wikipedia's Main Page as part of Did you know. You can see the hook and the discussion here. You are welcome to participate! Thank you. APersonBot (talk!) 18:25, 19 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Emily Ratajkowski/archive3

I am taking one last run at getting Emily Ratajkowski promoted to WP:FA in time for a 25th birthday WP:TFA on June 7th. Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Emily Ratajkowski/archive3 needs discussants. Since you were a Wikipedia:Peer review/Emily Ratajkowski/archive2 participant, I am hoping you might give some comments.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 01:35, 23 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I have left a couple of comments at the review. White Arabian Filly ^Neigh 15:16, 23 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I have responded to your comments. Hopefully, I have addressed your concerns. I would appreciate it if you would consider supporting the nomination if your concerns have been addressed.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:50, 23 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ripping hair out

Sorry to slow down the DYK for Black Allan over the hook. The reviewer doesn't understand the criteria. I'll try to get a reviewer to approve it, and I apologize if my anal-retentiveness bogged this down. Montanabw ^(talk) 02:26, 24 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not in any hurry to have it on the main page, and it was hard finding a hook for that one to begin with. There was nothing really weird there that screamed, "Main page!" (Unlike Wilson's Allen, who was buried three times; I wonder now how many people clicked on that thinking it was about a zombie horse? 😨) White Arabian Filly ^Neigh 14:15, 24 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I just bought stock in Rogaine. Atsme^📞📧 17:30, 24 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ha, that's one thing I don't need. I have hair like a Great Pyrenees, except for the color. White Arabian Filly ^Neigh 22:31, 24 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Next time you get a haircut, bag it and ship it to me!! *lol* The Rogaine was foresight based on the section header by Montanabw.

^{FYI: Callan taught me how to id emojis so the latter seemed appropriate for "Mmmm".}. Atsme^📞📧 22:37, 24 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Me thinks it's ready to publish

Ok, WAF and Montanabw - when you get time, see how it looks and make your determination. Also, do you think it would prove helpful to include the article tearsheets from the magazine that are available on Commons or somehow link to them as external links or something?

See File:1994ASHA-Article-86.jpeg, File:1994ASHA-Article-87.jpeg, File:1994ASHA-Article-88.jpeg Atsme^📞📧 13:48, 25 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'll do the move; I think the tearsheets could be just put in the article. The article on Imperator is almost ready to go live too. White Arabian Filly ^Neigh 14:21, 25 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Unless you can establish it's out of copyright, there might be a copyright issue at commons, so don't insert them in the article or link to them, just do the hardcopy cite and if someone questions it, then show the tear sheets. Montanabw ^(talk) 21:38, 26 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Montanabw Commons has the necessary copyright releases so the tear sheets are good to go. ^{Atsme📞📧} 23:52, 26 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Of course, an unidentified IP showed up to raise a COI issue so no one could actually id the user. Perhaps to avoid such a ridiculous time-sync issue, you should have just taken the final article you all approved, and pasted it in lieu of a move. As you may be aware, and quite sadly, historic significance has no relevance to some, and they are willing to hide behind an IP address to create dissension that is in no way helpful to the encyclopedia. Another option would be to delete the edits with my user name attached, and reinsert them with your user name. I don't want to be credited with any of the edits - I was simply helping while in draft form under supervision by multiple editors. Atsme^📞📧 20:12, 25 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The IP is obviously familiar with WP, in order to know that, and they're just trying to stir up trouble. I backed you up on that talk page; I think the IP is just being a pest and has no valid argument, since three others were reviewing your edits.

I launched Imperator (horse) and should have the draft of Sky Watch ready within a few days, to go with the article. I already did one on Shatner's farm. White Arabian Filly ^Neigh 20:19, 25 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Great work, WAF. I imagine a sock puppet investigation would turn-up some interesting results. It's also rather "coincidental" that the attack on this article occurred at the same time WP:Project Accuracy started receiving a little attention as the result of the efforts by Wikicology to recruit input. It's really very sad, and I tend to believe it involves some of the same editors who harassed me in the past without reason or purpose - it's almost as if I'm under attack by trolls whose only mission is to see WP fail. Atsme^📞📧 21:44, 25 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'd bet so; I just got done dealing with a sockmaster who kept screwing with the various dog breed articles, using multiple accounts and then multiple IPs. If this particular one keeps up their annoying habits, they're headed for a block. White Arabian Filly ^Neigh 00:31, 26 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Funny - when I created the WP:AVDUCK essay, it resulted in something similar that eventually wound up being a COINoscopy. Now I'm in discussions over WikiProject Accuracy which I recently created, and again I'm dealing with unwarranted COI attacks. Curious how the IP traces back to Canada, which raises my suspicions about who might be behind the harassment. Anyway, I just wanted to say that I am duly impressed by your unyielding patience, WAF, especially in light of the warrantless BS that's being spewed; it's clearly harrasment, perhaps born of jealousy, who knows? How sad and such a senseless waste of time. Atsme^📞📧 16:42, 26 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

If they get too troublesome, I'll take it to ANI and request a Checkuser. Thanks for your comment about my patience (my parents complained for years that I didn't have any). White Arabian Filly ^Neigh 21:32, 26 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'll watchlist, if there's a COI problem, everyone knows I'm the anti-COI B--ch from the "PHN" article, so if I'm OK with it, we should survive. Maybe put the close association tag at talk, though. Montanabw ^(talk) 21:38, 26 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, Montanabw. There is no financial COI or advocacy involved, my part of the editing was restricted to WAF's sandbox prior to it being moved to mainspace - I have not edited the article while in mainspace, and there is nothing in our COI guidelines that would prevent me from making suggestions here or on the TP of the article. This is also not a situation of "self-cite" because you and 3 other editors are involved and overseeing it, and will either accept or reject my suggestions. The program aired on PBS, it stars William Shatner, I retired from the television/film industry a long time ago, there is no financial interest involved, and the program itself is archived as an historical broadcast. The only thing I'm guilty of doing is making a contribution, so if that's my only crime, oh well. Now that the silliness is out of the way, I just wanted to mention the following for your review:

Concept and Creation section - The series' origins correlated with the stated vision of former ASHA president Judy Werner, <--- incorrect wikilink. Judy Werner was the president of the American Saddlebred Horse Association, not the United States Equestrian Federation.
Theme section - The episode ended with the intense head-to-head competition between two of the all-time greatest five-gaited Champions of their time, the stallion Sky Watch and the [[gelding] Imperator, in head to head competition <--- head-to-head is redundant
Release section - As a pilot episode, A Celebration of Horses: The American Saddlebred was scheduled for release on four PBS network affiliates, and was broadcast and rebroadcast from November 1993 until October 1995 <--- 4 PBS network affiliates is incorrect. It should read, As a pilot episode, A Celebration of Horses: The American Saddlebred was scheduled for 4 national releases from November 1993 until October 1995 with the first release televised on 56 PBS network affiliates ranging from New York to California.
Cast section - the horses owned by Shatner would be the stallion Sultan's Great Day, and broodmare, Miss O'Hare. Hope my suggestions will prove helpful. ^{Atsme📞📧} 23:51, 26 March 2016 (UTC) ^{Still not corrected. Concern is that only 4 stations makes it non-notable. The program aired nationally on 56 stations, 4x over the course of a couple of years.}15:23, 27 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I think I fixed most of those, and added the tearsheet back in. I have a sandbox article on Donna Moore and another on the Lexington Junior League Horse Show. Imperator is up for DYK and Sky Watch is half done. Whew. The articles are running away with me! White Arabian Filly ^Neigh 01:30, 27 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestion: instead of using the AHSA Award in the info box, what about using the cropped cover of the American Saddlebred magazine with William Shatner for the infobox File:1994ASHA-Article-Cover (cropped).jpg and then add the award image to the section for the award? Also, I wonder if an admin could help you with a copy/paste of the source material from your sandbox rather and eliminate the "move to article space" which included my edit suggestions? It should have been a clean creation by you but that may not be appropriate since others edited in the sandbox. I don't know. I just hate that what should have been a welcome contribution to the encyclopedia ended-up bringing controversy to Project Equine, and for that I apologize to my colleagues. Perhaps Montanabw can share some advice. ^{Atsme📞📧} 15:11, 27 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I put the cover with Shatner in the infobox and moved the award to the award section. I'll get to the other stuff as soon as possible. White Arabian Filly ^Neigh 15:28, 27 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

FYI - thumb|Tear sheet of Horse Show magazine, March 1994 issue, First Annual Media Awards, and thumb|Cover of March 1994 issue of Horse Show magazine. ^{Atsme📞📧} 22:08, 28 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Happy Easter

	Happy Easter
	You made one, you get one! Happy Easter!\|Horsegeek^(talk) 02:31, 27 March 2016 (UTC)Horsegeek[reply]

Thanks! I hope you have a good Easter too! White Arabian Filly ^Neigh 14:16, 27 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

A daffodil for you with...

	Easter Blessings
	Wishing you a Blessed Easter Sunday and hoping your day is filled with love and sunshine. ^{Atsme📞📧} 12:46, 27 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Same to you, Atsme! 🌹🌼 White Arabian Filly ^Neigh 14:17, 27 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You go, gurrrrlfriend!

2K views at the DYK: [4], you rock, gurrrlfriend! Way to go! Montanabw ^(talk) 01:34, 30 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That's 200 more than when I looked yesterday! (I made this table to break them down.) White Arabian Filly ^Neigh 15:11, 30 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Friends

Who are your friend on Wiki? Can I b one?Kimono111 (talk) 22:40, 31 March 2016 (UTC)kimono111[reply]

Awards and Honors

What exactly is the difference between horse awards and honors? I'm doing an article on Sultan's Great Day and he was crowned World’s Champion Two-Year-Old Fine Harness Stallion/Gelding. Is this a award or honor? Thanks. Horsegeek^(talk) 23:11, 31 March 2016 (UTC)Horsegeek[reply]

I think that would go in the wins column. Awards or honors would be if he was named Horse of the Year or something like that. White Arabian Filly ^Neigh 20:05, 1 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Doesn't seem like a win to me. I'll put it in honors until it goes live. 👍

If it was a show award, it's a win. If it's a cumulation of many shows (like Horse of the Year), it's an honor. Montanabw ^(talk) 04:28, 3 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]