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Pavle, Serbian Patriarch

IP is going for WP:POINT [1] Could you please remove those diffs? Protecting Pavle, Serbian Patriarch would also be a good idea, as he was "a Yugoslav patriarch of SOC" for 12 days. Sadkσ (talk is cheap) 20:18, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Let him read and let him see that I am right, you should be banned. This would protect you from editing, and the second article would not and would like to write that he is a Yugoslav, you should be banned because you are a troll.

Most likely a sock as well. Sadkσ (talk is cheap) 20:42, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Explain why you put him here as a Yugoslav [2] and here you erase Yugoslav and say (nationality/ethnicity) [3] you are Sock puppetry.

@Sadko: There is no rationale to protect the article because of an edit made two weeks ago. Vanjagenije (talk) 23:20, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

@Vanjagenije: I know you are from Serbia and you are protecting your user, and he and immediately complained to you first because you are from that country, but there should be no double standard somewhere to write Yugoslav somewhere not, see edits from that user.In addition, you put the nationality of Ivan Mestrovic that he is a nationality Yugoslav [4], only that he is not a Croat, as he is. While here you support the deletion of user Sadko on this topic name, I think you are not objective. I will delete now the Yugoslav nationality from Ivan Meštrović as the user Sadko says (nationality/ethnicity) it is so fair and without double standards.

@Vanjagenije: Block me, Serbian propagandist, stop sending messages I know you work for Sadko and his propaganda.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.136.125.178 (talk • contribs) 8:43, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Template:Ecumenical councils

The template contains the Synod of Constantinople, the Synod of Jerusalem and the Synod of Jassy, for example, which are not Ecumenical either. So, the template contains other major synods as well. In this sense, it is wrong to exclude the Holy and Great Council, a synod of major importance that has been prepared for over a century. Templates in other languages (bg, el, ru, it) contain it as well.--Kostisl (talk) 18:07, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

@Kostisl: My talk page is not a right place to discuss the template. The template has it's own talk page: Template talk:Ecumenical councils. If you want to include non-ecumenical councils into a template titled "Ecumenical councils", I think you should look for consensus first. Vanjagenije (talk) 23:22, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

@Vanjagenije: It is not that "I want to include". A few non-ecumenical are already in, as I explained. Anyway, I will continue the discussion there.--Kostisl (talk) 07:08, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Cheers!

Thanks Vanjagenije! Generally I let this stuff slide, but it was getting a bit irritating. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 09:03, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

In need of advice

Hello Vanjagenije. Can you please help with with closing RfC or give some advice what to do in this situation that is happening on Tesla ethnicity talk page. The request to close RfC was already made on June.14.2020 but so far nobody answered (http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Requests_for_closure). In my opinion the discussion reached it's end and now we have situation that argumentation are repeating itself, we have over 35 editors that contributed with comments and/or voting. The RfC lasts over 15 days already and since you are one of official english wikipedia administrators you are probably the most competent to say on what to do next ? How long until it is closed? Theonewithreason (talk) 17:38, 18.06.2020 (UTC)

@Theonewithreason: I am not an ideal choice for closure of that discussion. Since I am Serbian, whatever I might do, I would be accused of bias and dispute would drag for months. You should simply wait for someone more neutral to close the discussion. Vanjagenije (talk) 15:55, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

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Unsorced contents

I'm sorry but I dont obtain unsourced information, I work for an individual who i edit and add content to his page, if you need real info about it please come to our office at Lilongwe City center or phone the office ask for me Jack Ernest. I will even arrange a meeting with the owner himself if you prefer to get real information. Thank you.. longrider27 19:55, 24 June 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jackernest (talk • contribs)

Battle of Paštrik

I had fully protected the article two hours ago and directed the editors to the use the talk page to determine consensus. The edit warring blocks are unnecessary, in my opinion, and will only kick the ball down the road with regard to the dispute.-- Jezebel's Ponyo^{bons mots} 21:08, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

@Ponyo: I failed to notice your message on the talk page. I am going to unblock them. Vanjagenije (talk) 21:12, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

I'm hoping they can figure it out on the talk page as there has been quite a bit of instability on that article. If they kick off again after, then blocks will be forthcoming for sure. Anyhoo, nice to see you around - it's been a while since our paths have crossed! -- Jezebel's Ponyo^{bons mots} 21:14, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Milutin Milankovic page

Excuse me ,how it is not vanadalism since original article was written that Milutin Milankovic was a Serbian scientist and user Notrium was changing that continously (5 times) without any reached consesnus on the subject? It is obvious that you are going to block me if I revert it again but you are now supporting a vandalised article. Please show me a consenus where it is agreed to change from Serbian to Yugoslav and I am going to leave it. Until then all RS are representing him as Serbian since he was also a vice president of SANU https://www.amnh.org/learn-teach/curriculum-collections/earth-inside-and-out/milutin-milankovitch-seeking-the-cause-of-the-ice-ages , https://pantheon.world/profile/person/Milutin_Milanković/ and this as one of the most important ones :http://www.mi.sanu.ac.rs/History/milankovic.htm - Please note that you have reverted my change that I reverted from Notrium and other user — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.9.202.230 (talk) 08:04, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

See WP:VANDALISM to learn what vandalism is and isn't. Vanjagenije (talk) 08:12, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

"Unwelcome, illegitimate edits to another person's user page may be considered vandalism. User pages are regarded as within the control of their respective users and generally should not be edited without permission of the user to whom they belong. See WP:UP#OWN." - WP:VANDALISM By the link you posted, here is explanation of vandalism and since we have this situation that the changes were made without consensus as you can see on Milutin Milankovic history page : http://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Milutin_Milanković&action=history , you can notice that first change was made by User Notrium on 12:14, 15 June 2020‎ and again on 20:48, 21 June 2020‎ , 23:10, 28 June 2020 etc. and he was always reverted by different editors I believe that it is vandalism but I am not disputing that you now better than I do I am just trying to tell you that we should revert it as it was, also again user Pentaxem change it again on 02:35, 4 July 2020‎ that is something you maybe did not notice and that's is why you reverted my change. I was just reverting it to it's original . SO please don't block me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.9.202.230 (talk)

I have no idea what are you talking about. What does this all have to do with WP:user pages? Why are you citing a policy about user pages when this is a dispute about an article page? Vanjagenije (talk) 08:38, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Because you are reverting the article to the state that it was not in original : It should be written MM was a Serbian scientist... because that is how the article was written. What you are doing is reverting to Yugoslav but that is not how it is written. Those changes were made by Notrium and Pentaxem in last few days without concesus. You are now supporting the change that was not in originaly written article — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.9.202.230 (talk) 08:52, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

But, that is an WP:ARTICLE. Articles are not WP:user pages. The policy you cited is about user pages. Vanjagenije (talk) 09:12, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Ah O.K. sorry I am not familiar with wikipedia rules like you are, I just spotted a problem and tried to explain it in layman's terms. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.9.202.230 (talk) 09:19, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

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Tourism in Serbia

Please take a look at the latest edits on Tourism in Serbia. Sadkσ (talk is cheap) 22:12, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Dubrovnik

Hi Vanjagenije. I've noticed several problems with the lead of the Dubrovnik article. (WP:MOSLEAD, WP:UNDUE, WP:CITEKILL) On the talk page, I presented my proposal. If you're interested, I'd like you to take a look. Best regards.--WEBDuB (talk) 21:59, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

Help

Please help with discussion (or with closing it) on Novak Djokovic talk page (Novak's mother) . It seems that we're all talking about the same thing and agreeing on the same point but nobody understands no one. And as you previously mentioned that you are a Serbian or from that Region I guess you can understand the situation better. In my opinion descent means ethnicity so existing explanation in article suffice and yet communication gets more and more confusing.--Theonewithreason (talk) 06:35, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

IP disruptions

Hi Vanja,

two related geolocated IP's continously disrupting several pages with misleading edit logs, that are extensively reverted. Now by the emerging new IP, it became more intense (see here contributions):

([5]), ([6])

One of them I warned for edit-warring, but immediately removed the notice: ([7]). Please follow-up, Thank You(KIENGIR (talk) 03:38, 23 July 2020 (UTC))

Disruption continued ([8]), with blatant mendacities in the edit log (the Ip's edits have been never supported by any consensus on the talk page...)(KIENGIR (talk) 05:49, 23 July 2020 (UTC))

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Threat

Hi, Vanjagenije. It would appear I've received a death threat. [9] Is there something we can do about it? Amanuensis Balkanicus (talk) 00:56, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

I removed the edit summary of the said edit and blocked the IP. Vanjagenije (talk) 01:00, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. Amanuensis Balkanicus (talk) 01:01, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

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RfC

Hi Vanja, could you please close this one? [10] Sadkσ (talk is cheap) 16:47, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Pillow ... Quilt ...

Hi Vanja, a new editor called Quilt1 seems to be doing similar editing to the various Pillow sockpuppets. All the best, Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:01, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

So, you blocked Quilt1 as a sock of Pillow4, but you didn't block Pillow4 for sock puppetry? Why? WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 11:38, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

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3 revert rule

Greetings take a look what happened here in last 24 hours : http://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=List_of_Serbs_of_Croatia&action=history. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.9.202.230 (talk) 17:24, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

What happened? What you can't read on Danijel Subašić page [[11]] if he declared himself a Croat, you would force him to be a Serb.93.136.83.115 (talk) 17:58, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Edit war at Battle of Paštrik and Battle of Košare

Hi! Adhurim Jakupi came back from their one-week second block and immediately resumed their edit war at Battle of Paštrik and Battle of Košare within three hours. --T*U (talk) 14:18, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Regarding Karadorde

Moved to Talk:Karađorđe

 – Vanjagenije (talk) 09:45, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

BLP vio

Would this be considered a BLP violation? Amanuensis Balkanicus (talk) 18:23, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

Yes. Vanjagenije (talk) 09:11, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Grace O'Malley MRV

Rather than just send you a notification thank you, I wanted to do the deed here on your talk page. That was a tough one that probably should have been closed by an admin in the first place. Your decision was imho the correct one, and I thank you so much for taking the time and trouble to read and give a decision on this volumnous amount of writing in the RM and MRV. Thanks again! P.I. Ellsworth  ed. ^put'r there 00:06, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

On the contrary, I would like to protest this close as there was clearly no consensus whatsoever to overturn the move result; the vast majority of editors in the move review were against overturning the move, and overturning a move at MRV requires an active consensus to do so. I can agree with a "no consensus to overturn" result, but overturning it given the way the discussion was going feels very much like a WP:SUPERVOTE. Sceptre (talk) 11:22, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

@Sceptre: No, actually, closing as "no consensus" or "endorse" would be a supervote, see Wikipedia:Supervote#Types_of_supervoting (Pile-on supervote). I don't know what is "active consensus", but I do know what is consensus. Consensus is measured by the strength of arguments, not by the number of supporters, you should know that too. Those who supported overturning the closure obviously had policies on their side, so the consensus was quite clear in this case. Vanjagenije (talk) 17:14, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

@Vanjagenije:: this isn't a case of one side "having policies on their side" and the other not; nearly all of the editors in the discussion are experienced editors and all of us argued in favour of our interpretation of the relevant policies. Whilst consensus isn't a vote counting exercise, closing a discussion in this way in favour of the numerical minority requires a level of explanation that I find yours to be lacking. In particular, your close, from what I can tell, is based entirely on your view of the original move request and not the review. That's the dictionary definition of a supervote. Sceptre (talk) 19:27, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

@Vanjagenije:: hey, just so you know, I've brought your close up at AN for more input. Sceptre (talk) 21:14, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Yes, Sceptre, please let this one go. You are a good closer, and that was a difficult call for anyone. I've had several MRV's of my closes that I disagreed with; however, I was still able to learn some things from them. I think they helped me become a better closer and a better editor. So please let it go and move on to better things. Best of everything to you and yours! P.I. Ellsworth  ed. ^put'r there 18:35, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

GenQuest

http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Special:Contributions/GenQuest LTA Manda --36.71.142.11 (talk) 06:34, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

Long-term abuse

Hello Vanja. :) I hope you're doing well. I have a problem with long-term abuse by group of similar IPs from Zagreb has posted messages in talk-pages, which included derogatory content and private information about me. They even labeled you as Serbian propagandist. I reported them a long time ago, but, unfortunately, admins often ignore my reports. This is not the only one situation. Whenever there is a problem on some Balkan topics, оnly editors who were characterized as pro-Serbian were sanctioned, although much more serious policies violations from the “opposite side” were ignored, including threats, long term abuse, publication of private information, etc. Do you know what I have left to do? Thank you. Sincerely, WEBDuB (talk) 14:16, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

@WEBDuB: What is the exact problem? You only provided one diff (from my talk page) and that IP was blocked after making that edit. Is there any other problem? Vanjagenije (talk) 17:11, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, I forgot to add a links to the reports [12] [13] [14] where I tried to summarize everything.--WEBDuB (talk) 17:22, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

@WEBDuB: All the IPs you reported [Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1041#Abuse_by_IPs here] were blocked. How can you say that "admins ignore your reports" if they blocked IPs. Other IPs you listed at WP:Long-term abuse/93.136.125.178 are either blocked or are inactive throw-away accounts. What do you expect me to do? Vanjagenije (talk) 17:32, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

I'm just asking you for advice on what further steps would be needed. What if it comes back in the form of a new IP address, as has always happened? Are there solutions for that? Only three IPs were blocked, but that was not the result of my reports. No one responded in any case. I'm not asking you to solve this. I wonder if you have any advice on what to do. Thanks. Pozdrav. --WEBDuB (talk) 18:17, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

There is no way for us to prevent someone from obtaining new IP address. Vanjagenije (talk) 20:52, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

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Issue of unsourced and provisory doubling of data excluding/including Kosovo in Serbia article

Pozdrav Vanja,

obratiću ti se na srpskom iako je razlog obraćanja članak na engleskom. Zamolio bih te, s obzirom da si administrator, da pokušaš da rešiš problem koji je zadnjih dana iskrsnuo oko uređivanja članka o Srbiji na engleskoj Vikipediji.

Kao što si upoznat (pošto vidim da relativno redovno uređuješ taj članak), odavno je zauzet stav da se kao podaci u vezi sa stanovništvom zemlje uzimaju podaci sa popisa stanovništva iz 2011. (i zvanične procene zavoda zasnovane na tom popisu) sa napomenom "excluding Kosovo" - s obzirom da popis nije vršen na teritoriji Kosova. Takva je barem situacija bila zadnjih 7-8 godina koliko sam član Vikipedije i učestvujem u uređivanju ovog članka o Srbiji. Prethodnih pola godine zbog privatne situacije nisam bio aktivan na Vikipediji pa sam tek pre neki dan primetio da je član HighGroundIII u međuvremenu napravio izmenu u infobox-u i uvodnom delu gde je paušalno dodao okruglu ukupnu cifru stanovništva Srbije (s Kosovom) valjda sabirajući sa cifrom s popisa Srbije iz 2011. dodajući u zagradi napomenu "including Kosovo". Problem s ovakvom izmenom člana HighGroundIII je višestruk:

1. s vremena na vreme su se pojavljivale ovakve izmene i svaki put je na Talk page-u zauzet stav da se držimo cifre s popisa 2011. odnosno updateovane procene (na osnovu tog popisa iz 2011.) s jasnom napomenom "excluding Kosovo"; pretražujući po arhivi Talk page-a, našao sam da su poslednje rasprave na tu temu bile 13. marta i 13. novembra 2018. godine i oba puta je zauzet stav da se ide na zvaničnu cifru s napomenom "excluding Kosovo". Upravo si ti 13. novembra 2018. učestvovao u raspravi i držao se ovog gore stava.

2. navedene izmene je kolega izvršio ne prilažući niti jednom bilokakav izvor (da ne kažem kredibilan) što je protivno politici Vikipedije.

3. ukoliko bi se prihvatio njegov pristup, za koji navodi da je vođen razlogom konzistentnosti i objektivnosti, onda bi sledstveno trebali svaki podatak da dupliramo sa including Kosovo/excluding Kosovo što bi kao posledicu učinilo članak nepreglednim i nečitljivim. Konkretno, u pomenutom infobox-u su navedeni podaci o BDP-u ("excluding Kosovo" naravno, jer su to jedini zvanično dostupni podaci s obzirom da naš zavod ne vrši statističku obradu na KiM a ostale relevantne ekonomske organizacije, MMF i SB, nas tretiraju odvojeno) i pristup HighGroundIII bi doveo do dupliranja svakog podatka, obaška što ne postoje podaci koji imaju ukupnu cifru za Srbiju s Kosovom, već bi moralo da se radi "ručno" sabiranje što nije ni metodološki ni enciklopedijski ispravno.

Zbog ovoga je u međuvremenu izbio svojevrstan edit war između pomenutog kolege i mene, u kojem kao kolateralna šteta stradaju i neke druge moje obrazložene izmene koje nemaju veze sa ovim gore pitanjem (ista rečenica o multietničnosti Vojvodine se pojavljuje na 2 mesta u članku, etimologija reči zvaničnih naziva jugoslovneskih država i neke sitne jezičke prepravke) jer kolega bez obrazloženja briše i te izmene, što je klasičan primer vandalizma. Još jednom sam napravio izmene, ali ne gajim iluzije da neće ponovo da ih obriše pa ti se stoga obraćam u nadi da ćeš pomoći u rešavanju ovog problema.

Ne zameri na opširnosti!

Klačko (talk) 09:55, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

I see a wp:content dispute that should be dealt with on the article talk page. At the moment, I see nothing that needs administrative response. Just stop edit warring and discuss the issue. Vanjagenije (talk) 14:25, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

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Can you please explain me what is going on here

Greetings Vanjagenije, as SPI clerk could you please help me to understand am I being accused here for being sockpuppet ? [[15]] As far that I understand this User is trying to prove that mentioned IP addresses belong to me,am I right ? --User:Theonewithreason (talk) 15:28, 08. October 2020 (UTC)

@Theonewithreason: do you mind telling us why you chose to leave a message on the talkpage of this particular editor/SPI cleck instead of replying to the report? Also, a report is not an accusation, it's an investigation. --Maleschreiber (talk) 15:57, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

I just want explanation from experienced administrator who is also a SPI clerk on what exactly am I being accused or "investigated" for ? This looks to me like WP:ASPERSION and that is a serious accusation so that I can react accordingly. Feel free to explain me bluntly or better yet Vanjagenije User:Theonewithreason (talk) 15:28, 08. October 2020 (UTC)

An WP:ASPERSION is a heavy implication or an outright accusation about someone's motives. I haven't accused you of anything - I've reported you about specific activity. You can reply there. Thank you.--Maleschreiber (talk) 16:16, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

@Theonewithreason: I have no special knowledge about your case. Please, refer to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Theonewithreason. Vanjagenije (talk) 16:47, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

English version of Martinovic incident

Hi, I would like to report that English version of the article Dordje Martinovic Incident is different than the Serbian version and does not truly describe this incident. I understand that it does not need to be identical translation, but from English version description of injuries, without any details, I was put in doubt that he might made injuries by himself. If injuries were described just as they seemed when he ended in hospital, it would be more precise and English readers would understand better background and reactions taken afterwards to cover this incident up. I can see that last update was done on specific date on June 28th 2020 by an author different than you.

Thank you very much for checking this. Best 2.28.98.197 (talk) 10:56, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/%C4%90or%C4%91e_Martinovi%C4%87_inciden

Hi! Article in English Wikipedia are based on WP:reliable sources, not on the Serbian Wikipedia. If you think the article is missing some info, you are free to add that info yourself, but you have to WP:cite reliable source of that info. If you are not sure what to add, you can discuss it with other editors on the article talk page (Talk:Đorđe Martinović incident). Vanjagenije (talk) 21:39, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

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Question

Hi Vanja,

please help to resolve the difference between:

[[Category:Authoritarianism| ]] vs. [[Category:Authoritarianism]]

(of course, it is just one example, but genereally what's the catch? ( what "| " stand for?)

Thank You(KIENGIR (talk) 18:31, 26 October 2020 (UTC))

@KIENGIR: See WP:PIPETRICK. Vanjagenije (talk) 22:26, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Iaof2017, again

Hello Vanjagenije, Iaof2017 (talk · contribs) is edit-warring again, and shouting insults in allcaps [16] [17]. It's not the first time either [18]. The accusations are obvious nonsense, since I have the articles watchlisted since before he even created his account. Also, for the record, Korce has been part of the NE template for years, yet he keeps removing the template. Any help with dealing with this disruption would be appreciated. Khirurg (talk) 18:45, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Wouldn't it be fair and appropriate to report you too for your numerous reverts you've done in the past weeks? I actually noticed the discussion in the Template:Cham Albanians that is going on regarding this issue. Lorik17 (talk) 18:57, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

You noticed? Is that right? That's a funny of way of excusing the fact that you haven't significantly participated in the discussion. No, only reverts, shouting and insults. And who's following whom? You clearly followed me here as well. Khirurg (talk) 19:20, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

You tagged me in this section therefore i received a notification, its logical i guess. In any case, stop distorting facts. Good luck! Lorik17 (talk) 19:31, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

• Hello Khirurg. Why did you make personal attacks on me in two edit summaries [19][20]? Ktrimi991 (talk) 22:07, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Khirurg has 3 reverts on Korçë, no participation on the talkpage and the claim that this template has been here for years is false as at least in the past ~100 revisions as early as September 2019 the template was not on this article [21]. Now, do I think that the article needs admin oversight? It does, but that has to be covered via a community discussion. --Maleschreiber (talk) 22:59, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

What's astonishing is that Iaof still refuses talkpage participation [[22]], while drive-by reverts are his frequent agenda.Alexikoua (talk) 23:07, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Khirurg and you want to add a template - irrelevant with the discussion on CA - on Korçë. As soon as you were reverted, you should have started a talkpage discussion. I don't understand how it is that an editor who wants to add something to an article, makes 3 reverts, doesn't start any discussion, makes a verifiably false claim about his edits which weren't on the article at least for the past 1+ years and then after all of that goes on to accuse others of edit-warring and causing "disruption". That's not how wikipedia functions. Editors should take responsibility for their edits. You tried to add something, it was rejected by multiple editors. Past that point, everything belongs to the talkpage. --Maleschreiber (talk) 23:21, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

The "multiple editors" are a perfect example of well-organized WP:TAGTEAM that plagues this part of the encyclopedia. The first team member reverts [23], followed by the second [24], then again the first [25], then a third team member joins the fray [26], then finally number four, out of nowhere, within minutes of number three [27]. It's almost as if they are coordinating off-wiki (e.g. "Hey I need a revert at Korce"). Then, team member two rams through material that he must know will be contested [28]. And NONE of these editors has made a significant contribution to the discussion at Template talk:Cham Albanians. Want more examples? There are LOTS of more examples. In fact there are so many examples of this malicious behavior I could fill out a WP:RFAR. So yeah, admin intervention is definitely needed. As for the template itself, Korce has been in the template for as long as I can remember, which is longer than you have been editing. So per WP:BIDIRECTIONAL, it belongs in the article. And you know this. Khirurg (talk) 00:03, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

File a report and both your edits and theirs can be examined - ANI, AN3 or AE. But you can't just say that because your edits/reverts were reverted multiple times themselves, those who reverted must be a "well-organized TAGTEAM". It's an WP:ASPERSION. The NE template needs a cleanup because the amount of settlements which Alexikoua has added is unreasonable. The same cleanup as the CA template. Also, despite BIDIRECTIONAL on CA there are settlements which definitely fall under the category and are even part of the temlate but there's still refusal for their inclusion.--Maleschreiber (talk) 00:16, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

This has been going on for a vert long time now, and it's crystal clear to anyone acting in good faith that there is WP:TAGTEAM going on. Bringing it to admin attention, as I am doing here, is necessary. Regarding the templates, unfortunately it is very hard to assume good faith on the part of those involved when we see tag-teaming and other intellectually dishonest behavior such as what we are now seeing at Korce. Khirurg (talk) 00:37, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

In my book, you're accusing others but you're not reflecting on your own edits. You made 3 reverts, you didn't use the talkpage and now you're putting forward a narrative that others are tag-teaming against you in order to explain the very simple fact that you and Alexikoua tried to ram through edits without consensus on a page which many editors watch. What did you think that would happen? When many editors disagree with your edits, then don't try to force them through. --Maleschreiber (talk) 02:45, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

The one that needs to "reflect" is the one shouting in allcaps, which doesn't seem to concern you too much. And I know of wht I speak about tag-teaming, it's not news. Another example: [29] [30] [31]. The more admins are aware of this, the better for the topic area. But I can see why you wouldn't want that. Khirurg (talk) 04:52, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Sigh. Considering the number of such "illustrative" analogous examples I can produce for you with, say, Alexikoua... this feels ironic. Whereas I have had my occasionally heated disagreements with for example Resnjari (usually over Religion-related material -- thankfully, such things actually get resolved, ahem), in fact, a quick trip through the archives reveals exactly what I expected -- a predictable episode where you [were explicitly identified as being on a "team" with Alexikoua by an admin, so much that the two of you were considered for being placed under a joint revert restriction]. So it is perhaps not surprising that you prefer to not actually bring this to the boards, where all your other charming behaviors can be discussed :) -- which I am sure I will soon be subjected to yet more examples of (sigh). --Calthinus (talk) 05:46, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

@Calthinus:, i respect you much. Some editors get worked up over a silly comment (one made after the bile they throw around) when their records are odious with rapport toward other editors and at times high on the conspiratorial level (i.e: constantly making unfounded aspersions). Just sideline it. A lot of the times it could be either personal insecurities or behaviors they project onto others or maybe not. There isn't much one can do for those poor lost wiki souls. Anyway I've had good rapport with some editors over the years on wiki and come to respect those who are consistent, not hypocrites and not trying to game the system, even when there has been strong disagreement between me and them on certain topics. Please, i urge you and others not to get baited. In general there are some editors who make no real effort to improving Wikipedia and often engage in smears, constantly getting into fights and who know how to use the system to their advantage. If many of you haven’t picked up on this after interacting with disrupters by now, you will keep making the same error. It took more than a decade for admins to recently take seriously the editing pattern of a certain editor and impose a topic ban on all Balkan topics for nationalist editing. Its slow going on wiki.Resnjari (talk) 13:57, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Hey, it's the Greek invented concept of hypocrisy guy. But if anything is brought to the noticeboards, your "diff archeology" from 2009 won't be of any help, sorry to inform you. Khirurg (talk) 06:22, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

@Vanjagenije: I hope you can see what is going on here. The minute you report one of these guys, the whole brigade descends and start slinging mud, turning any report into a total shitshow (one of them even dug up stuff from 2009). This is what happened last time I reported one of this group for gaming [[WP:3RR] at WP:AN3. Any thread eventually becomes tl;dr, and nothing gets done (now watch them pile in and spam this thread as well). Anyway, sorry to bother you with this stuff. Khirurg (talk) 06:32, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Iaof has definitely no excuse so far since his arguments (for example in this talkpage) are extremely limited in "stop doing that" [[32]] or "I've realized that there is a discussion indeed" [[33]]. This can be easily regarded as a typical pattern of large scale disruption.Alexikoua (talk) 11:04, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Cham Albanians template

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I have some doubts if the specific template needs to be part in settlements which members of the modern (post WWII) diaspora are found. Nevertheless I believe that Iaof needs to provide a decent explanation for this addition.Alexikoua (talk) 23:02, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

@Alexikoua: Proper way to solve that is to discuss the issue at Template talk:Cham Albanians instead of reverting. Vanjagenije (talk) 23:46, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

I've kindly adviced Iaof to participate in the correspondent talkpages of several articles after he performed controversial edits, but unfortunately with little success. Last time he participated in an article's talkpage was at Oct. 1 [[34]], as such virtually refusing any kind of communication since then. It appears that latest block in Sep. 11 due to edit warring made him quite furious.Alexikoua (talk) 08:24, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

@Alexikoua: Yes, but that does not give you the right to revert their edits without discussion. Anyway, it was not Iaof who added Himara to that template, it was there since 2009[35]. Now I see that on the talk page (Template_talk:Cham_Albanians#Citation_on_the_template), you yourself wrote (albeit 10 years ago) "[..]I agree that is must be part of the template, same with Himara". Since you yourself are not sure whether it should be included or not, discussion is necessary. Vanjagenije (talk) 09:06, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Hmmm wish I saw that sooner so I would post here instead. Well my post can be found at Iaof's talk page, here: [36]. Good day. --- ❖ SilentResident ❖ ^{(talk ✉ | contribs ✎)} 03:06, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Unfortunately Iaof continues this pattern of revert-warring without posting the slightest explanation somewhere. He appears even more disruptive and reverts in a massive way ignoring talkpage participation (even in template's talkpage). This editor ignores completely the existence of talkpages.Alexikoua (talk) 17:59, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

User Iaof just admitted on his talk page that his whole thing about ethnic templates to Greece's cities was done for retaliatory purposes, in relation to another template used somewhere else. [37] In my response, I advised him to refrain from messing with templates again the future as this is disruptive. [38] --- ❖ SilentResident ❖ ^{(talk ✉ | contribs ✎)} 21:19, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Many of the articles in which Iaof is adding the template seem to have included it for a long time, but at one point or another the template was removed either by random IPs or by...SilentResident themselves. Some inclusions like Himara are dubious, but to remove that template from Filiates or Igoumenitsa - settlements with a long Cham presence is just disruptive, because these articles discuss the presence of that community. I'll add some sources.--Maleschreiber (talk) 10:58, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Dear Admin, it seems that this whole template thing is somehow a sensitive chord for some editors here, considering that Maleschreiber just came to my Talk page (!) and threatened me with reports (!): [39]. It can't make sense otherwise. In my response to his threatening message, I had to remind him, as kindly and patiently as possible, the facts: [40]. Good day. --- ❖ SilentResident ❖ ^{(talk ✉ | contribs ✎)} 12:08, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

By actually calling a "threat" another editor's request towards you to stop edit-warring, you're speeding up the need for admin oversight. I started checking the articles from which you've removed the tag. It's very disruptive that you've removed it even from articles which extensively discuss this community - Filiates#Modern history. Now, I've expanded the article and returned the template - as I will do in all of these articles with the exception of Himara. Vanjagenije's comment about WP:BIDIRECTIONAL in articles which fundamentally concern this community moves the discussion away from political debates (WP:FORUM) and turns into one about sources. If sources substantially link a settlement to this community, then that settlement gets a mention on the template and the template gets in the article about the settlement. @Iaof2017: you should follow the same course of editing. If there are sources in the article, which substantially mention the community, add the template. If not, find bibliography. If there is no bibliography, don't add the template and/or remove the settlement from the template.--Maleschreiber (talk) 16:34, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

You are trying to add a template to cities where no Cham Albanians live at all. Their last recorded presence was prior to their expulsion to Albania 60 years ago. If we go with your flawed logic, perhaps we should also start adding Ottoman navigation templates, on every Balkan city that had Ottoman presence 100 years ago as well. And why not, Northern Epirus template on every Northern Epirote town. Or the Dutch template to every US city that used to be a dutch colony in the past. Just this is not how Templates are meant to be used in Wikipedia. Such nationalist approaches to Wikipedia's articles are disturbing. --- ❖ SilentResident ❖ ^{(talk ✉ | contribs ✎)} 17:27, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

For the record, imo, neither this nor the North Epirus template should be used for any settlements at all. The costs far outweigh any benefits to readers. --Calthinus (talk) 05:53, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

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Can you please offer your opinion on this matter http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Requests_for_closure#Talk:Gotse_Delchev#This_article_is_a_parody --StoyanStoyanov80 (talk) 17:40, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Battle of Košare

Hello, I am pre-emptively contacting you to point out an article that may need watching. Regarding the article Battle of Košare, editor Adhurim Jakupi removed a few days ago some referenced info, along with its sources, and introduced information without providing any sources (violation of OR guideline). I tried improving on his edit by adding sources for some of the information that he added, reintroducing the referenced content that he removed without proper explanation, removing some of the unsourced info he added and adding new sourced info. He fully reverted my edit in less than a day with an edit summary saying "Please!! Don't touch the exact sources, because it is a sin for victims". I pointed out for him at the talk page that, among other things, I did not touch any of the sources and in fact added references for the info he earlier edited in. Also, I would say the edit summary is rather POV in nature so the edit itself may be considered POV-pushing. The reason I am contacting you is because I have seen you've had experience with this editor in the past and from his talk page that he has been blocked twice for edit warring, as well as warned several times, in regards to edits made on multiple KLA-related articles, without any communication/replies made with other fellow editors, so I am expecting more of the same this time as well based on his edits over the last few days. Regards. EkoGraf (talk) 15:24, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

I just looked at the article's edit history and seems he has tried repeatedly and sporadically to push through his version of the content, along with several more (smaller) edits that were contrary to cited sources without any meaningful communication with the other editors for the last two months. EkoGraf (talk) 15:45, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

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Hi, Vanja. Do you have an email attached to your account? It's regarding an SPI and adhering to WP:PRIVACY. Amanuensis Balkanicus (talk) 17:17, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

@Amanuensis Balkanicus: Yes I do have, but I'm not sure what are you talking about. Why would you send a sensitive private material to me? Vanjagenije (talk) 18:08, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

I believe I've found evidence of sockpuppetry but due to the nature of the evidence I can't report the sockmaster through a traditional SPI. Because I have no intention of publicly revealing the suspected sock master's identity I was hoping I could discretely and responsibly pass the evidence to an admin via email. If you are uncomfortable with this I can consult another admin. Amanuensis Balkanicus (talk) 16:08, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

@Amanuensis Balkanicus: I am not "unconformable", I just think I'm not the real address. Maybe you should contact one of the WP:checkusers. Anyway, if you think I can help, sent it to me. Vanjagenije (talk) 16:27, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

@Amanuensis Balkanicus: I've read your e-mail and I have to say I don't understand the issue. WP:SOCKPUPPETRY is defined as "inappropriate usage of multiple accounts". I don't see anything inappropriate here (see WP:ILLEGIT). One account was retired several months before another account was created. The first account was not blocked, not even warned for any problematic editing. Using two accounts is not a problem per se, it is only problematic if accounts are used inappropriately. Vanjagenije (talk) 19:30, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Reverting edits on SNS

Hi, yesterday I made an edit on the SNS page, regarding "allegations of crime and corruption" trying to follow the style of as is present in the article for the Russian governing party "Edinaya Rossiya". Of course, such an edit is indeed controversial, and hard to write (and dangerous) (so nobody didn't do it before) However, it seems that an user "Vacant0" reverted my edit (Here's a link for the article history, so you can find it more easily ;) ) without giving a proper reason/explanation. This (link) is what I wrote in his talk page, but I see that you already gave him a warning about edit warring, and I'm concerned that this revert is not in good faith. As I said, I completely understand the edit is indeed controversial, but, is it really the solution to delete 12000 characters because it might be unlikable by some? If it initiated large-scale protests I think that at least a paragraph should be written about it. I followed the guidelines from "what Wikipedia is not". After all, WP:NOTCENSORED.

I would really like if you can help me, and tell me what's wrong, and what should I possibly change in the said section to make it acceptable. Thanks in advance, and,

Свако добро, LukaAndjelkovic (talk) 00:52, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

It seems that Vacant0 responded back in the same talk page, I hope we won't have further issues. I'll notify you if I do! LukaAndjelkovic (talk) 01:00, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

I made the article SNS-related allegations of crime and corruption, please check it out and try to contribute, I'd be grateful. Thanks in advance, LukaAndjelkovic (talk) 03:38, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

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Ethnic-based slurs on Anti-Croat sentiment. [41] Amanuensis Balkanicus (talk) 20:49, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Ukrainians in Russia

Hi Vanja,

at the page an IP is disruptively pushing some arguable additions, I opened a discussion in the talk, which have been ignored recurrently, the IP made rapid reverts, as well after I warned him ([42]]). Now he put something in the talk page, but it is neither useful or solves the issue, seems a bit WP:HEAR. At this point I kindly ask your assistance. Thank You.(KIENGIR (talk) 10:18, 4 December 2020 (UTC))

Thank you for looking into, but seeing the further contributions after your edit, unfortunately nothing changed, but get worse ([43]), and it spread as well to the Ukrainian Americans...(KIENGIR (talk) 10:29, 5 December 2020 (UTC))

Sock

Hi there. I see you were involved with this sock investigation. Every so often I find a new sock, such as this one. I'm not sure if I need to open a new investigation, or add to the archived one. Thanks! Magnolia677 (talk) 20:22, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

I'm looking at the edit history at Template:Natchez Radio and nearly every edit in the past six years is a sock of this editor. Magnolia677 (talk) 20:29, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

@Magnolia677: Do not edit the archives. Go to wp:SPI and follow the instructions in the box titled "How to open an investigation". Vanjagenije (talk) 10:12, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. Magnolia677 (talk) 10:33, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Sebbbbbb

Can user:Sebbbbbb please be blocked ASAP. CLCStudent (talk) 20:43, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Battle of Kosare (again)

Hello once again Vanjagenije, I just wanted to point out that the article Battle of Košare might once again need to be looked after. Recently, editor Durraz0 made virtually the same edits as editor Adhurim Jakupi [44], who you earlier blocked for repeated edit warring and POV-pushing. His edits included the removal of referenced info, along with its sources, and introduction of information without providing any sources (violation of OR guideline) or even leaving information that is contrary to the cited references. Please feel free to verify how unconstructive the edits were yourself. The nature of the edits I think would have to warrant some attention to the changes being made at the article so it would stay within Wikipedia's guidelines on verifiability. A temporary extended confirmed protection of the article should also maybe be considered (especially since other similar edits have been made recently by another editor as well [45][46]). Cheers and have a Happy New Year! :) EkoGraf (talk) 16:55, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

@EkoGraf: I have no idea what are you talking about. To protect the page because of edits made a month ago? What purpose would that serve? Vanjagenije (talk) 22:17, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

I pointed it out because, when looking at the article's edit history, the editor in question Durraz0, as well as apparently a few other POV editors, have constantly been coming back to the article (for months) to revert any editor who tried to rectify their unsourced POV editing. Thus, after I made the edit today, once again reinserting the sources that were removed and removing the unsourced material, I am expecting Durraz0, or one of the others, to quickly show up again, removing sourced content and reinserting unsourced content or content that is contrary to the cited references. If this indeed does happen again, and considering the edit history of this article for the past six months, I thought of suggesting the temporary edit protection. Kind regards! EkoGraf (talk) 23:03, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

And here [47], he did it today, he did a full revert of my edits without any explanation in the edit summary (just like the previous time), removing referenced info, along with its sources, and introducing unsourced information (these are in my opinion POV and OR edits). EkoGraf (talk) 13:18, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

And he did it again this morning [48]. EkoGraf (talk) 09:39, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

Questionable sources

Hello, recently I've reverted few edits of this user: [[49]], the main reason is because he is using this as a source: [[50]] which he posted on several articles claiming to be a new "genealogical study", I believe he made several changes on croatian,russian and serbian articles using dubious newspaper articles. I do not wish to go into edit warring so I am leaving to you to make a decision should this source be include into articles. Thank you.User:Theonewithreason (talk) 21:32, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

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The Adem Jashari page is completely full of misinformation and propaganda. I don't understand why you put that Adem murdered his own family when the Serbs did that. The sole survivor Besarta went on BBC discussing what the Serb army did to her family. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.125.89.31 (talk) 17:48, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

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SPI case

Hello! Isn't the master account wrong on this one? Shroudymeatballs was created about two years after Williams Doritios. Possibly (talk) 17:57, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

 Done Vanjagenije (talk) 22:14, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

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Another sock?

AwesomeDudeYeah (talk · contribs), at Chiro and Friends. Cheers, 2601:188:180:B8E0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 01:52, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

• Add another sock [51]. I've requested a block at AIV, but forget about that on a Saturday night. 2601:188:180:B8E0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 02:30, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

New National Official sock

See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/National Official. Best, GPL93 (talk) 17:58, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

A question

Hello Vanja, one editor who was recently banned on SW has emigrated to en.wikipedia where he keeps using his user page to post slurs against a growing number of editors who warned him or did not agree with him in any way. Could you please do something about it? [52] Sadkσ (talk is cheap) 13:00, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

Article for Creation

Hello I need your help, am helping a friend out on creating a page but the page is still in the draft page http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Bahram_Rad I should have published it but I hope something might be wrong, so as to afford the page from getting declined or deleted That is why i am seeking help from you. Can you please help edit, publish and review the page for approval, I would be really happy if you could do that Thanks. Phemsizzy (talk) 22:17, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

@Phemsizzy: The draft is currently not submitted for review (as clearly explained at the top of the page). You can submit it, but I'm afraid it would be declined since there isn't a single independetn reliable sources that significantly discuss the subject that is referenced in the draft. Vanjagenije (talk) 22:40, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Please I would like to ask for a favor from you. Can you help me add in the reliable source to the page as you have more experience than I have in wikipedia page editing Phemsizzy (talk) 10:27, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

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A question (II)

Do we have a similar template? Template:List of intangible cultural heritage of Serbia Sadkσ (talk is cheap) 12:49, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

I don't understand your question. Vanjagenije (talk) 14:13, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

I though that this might be a duplicate or that a similar list already exists and I wanted to double check as I remember that you have edited related lists several months ago. Sadkσ (talk is cheap) 15:19, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Showbiz8726 IP range

About a month ago you blocked Special:Contributions/2401:4900:40a0::/43 because Showbiz826 was using that to evade a block. The block expired, and they've continued their disruption. The history on [Mick Foley http://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Mick_Foley&action=history] and [Shane McMahon http://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Shane_McMahon&action=history] show the usual capitalization issues, refusal to listen to anyone else and [linking to images http://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Wasim_Akram&diff=prev&oldid=1006701020] uploaded on Commons by Aristocratic 536 who's been blocked as an SB sock here - c:Special:Contributions/Aristocratic_536. If you could, please review and block the range again. It's the most common range they use. Thanks! Ravensfire (talk) 22:18, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

• Additonally, since the range block mentioned above, they are now using both a newly registered account (User:Bernie33880), as well as an IP account (User:106.204.63.247) to make the same exact changes and refusing to even attempt consensus via talk pages. If you could kindly review... NJZombie (talk) 03:32, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

WR:RS

Regarding this [53] Đinđić's quotes may be verifiable, but the sources used to reference them (espreso.co.rs and in4s.net) certainly aren't WP:RS. If you have a reliable source that essentially says the same thing, I would encourage you to add it. Amanuensis Balkanicus (talk) 17:10, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

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Help

Hello. Can you help me somehow? Create an exercise page where I can do the exercises. Thanks in advance.--Lasha-george (talk) 12:56, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

I mean on my exercise page to write me as a link where I would work.--Lasha-george (talk) 09:30, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

@Lasha-george: You can make test edits in your sandbox: User:Lasha-george/sandbox. Vanjagenije (talk) 10:14, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Need to click before configuring? thank you very much.--Lasha-george (talk) 10:19, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Kenjiro Yoshigasaki

Hi, I see you deleted the page Kenjiro Yoshigasaki. I see his death was in the news worldwide. Even in the Netherlands where I live see here. So it looks like he meets WP:GNG, and I would like to have an article of him at Wikipedia. So the question is, was the article a copy of a former one? Are the references more recent than the former AfD? Thanks, SportsOlympic (talk) 22:26, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

@SportsOlympic: The new version (the one I deleted) cited four sources, none of which are independent reliable sources. You should try creating a WP:draft and submitting it for review. Vanjagenije (talk) 02:49, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Neptune's Trident

I tried to start a sockpuppetry investigation of Neptune's Trident but it ended up showing a different user. It looks like you moved a case some time ago? I'm not sure how to fix it without confusing things. Mo Billings (talk) 20:20, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

@Mo Billings: It's Ok, just leave it as it is. Vanjagenije (talk) 21:07, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Request for page semi protection

Hello, on [[54]] different unregistered IPs are constantly changing WP:RS material without explanation, could you please semi protect the page. Thank you. --User:Theonewithreason (talk) 27 March 2021 (UTC)

I wouldn't call it "constantly". There were just three Ip edits in the last two months. Vanjagenije (talk) 21:09, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Kuči

Zdravo Vanja. How are you? I reverted your edit at the abovementioned article. Some clans are divided into multiple ethnic groups regardless of origin. The Škrijel are on such example as are the Kuči, on the first we have both names in bold to in regards to this. I made the change so I thought id let you know my reasoning behind it. If you dont want this to clutter your talkpage feel free to remove it. Thanks Alltan (talk) 08:19, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Balašev - Balašević

Hi Vanjagenije, I changed the reference to Balašević's grandparents' surname from "Balaš" to "Balašev" as per the story he personally told at a concert that I was at in the 90s. OK, not a credible source... I hope this interview attests to that - https://glossy.espreso.co.rs/poznati/vesti/9717/zivotna-prica-dorde-balasevic-moj-zivot-moja-olja . He said his origins were from Central Serbia, from around Homolji Mountains... interestingly enough, there are Balaševićes from around the Bor region... This being not fully tested, perhaps you could put it on his webpage as "either Balaš or Balašev" (various sources). Cheers, pozdrav — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prokup22 (talk • contribs) 12:42, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

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Battle of Košare

Hello Vanjagenije, I wanted to give you an update about the situation at the Battle of Košare. Following the blocks that you implemented on user Durraz0 and me for the edit warring, Durraz0 engaged with me in a proper discussion at the talk page and we found a compromise solution for the article satisfactory for both sides and implemented it. Durraz0 sent me a "thanks" for my compromise edit. He further admitted to making a mistake before when he just copy-pasted the older version of the article, removing references and so on, and said he would work on correcting himself in the future in this regard. Everything was then fine for several weeks until editor Adhurim Jakupi, that you previously blocked three times for edit warring and making nationalistic/ethnic comments at Kosare and Pastrik battle articles, showed up and once again did a blanket revert of the text in the article (removing the compromise wording, removing sources and inserting unsourced text) without any edit summary. He even canceled out some of Durraz0's edits which were proper. I reinstated the discussed-on compromise version, making a note of this in the edit summary and asking Adhurim Jakupi to engage at the talk page. I am guessing, based on his past behavior, that Adhurim Jakupi will just simply revert me first chance he gets and will not engage at the talk page (several editors in the past requested him to engage in discussions, which he always refused). In case he does this, I will withhold from making any more edits and notify you so you could assess what action could or should be taken. EkoGraf (talk) 18:07, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

PS Thank you for the earlier blocks on Durraz0 and me, it gave us a chance to properly discuss the issues we were having and finding a compromise. Cheers! EkoGraf (talk) 18:13, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Why do you keep stop us from saying Koshare because at the end Albanians are also living in Kosovo stop the hate towards us!! Xonilatifi25 (talk) 14:42, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

@Xonilatifi25: First, discuss your edits with other users before implementing them (see WP:CONSENSUS). Also, do not accuse other editors of hate without evidence. You should always WP:assume good faith. Vanjagenije (talk) 14:46, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Why do you change all my posts? 1. I just edited the actually cities name Kosharë is the actuall name like Zvečan is the name of an City in Nord-Kosovo so pleas could you change the name to Kosharë because at the end the majority is Albanian. And Kosovo is indenpendent believe it or not :) 👍🏻 Xonilatifi25 (talk) 14:49, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

@Xonilatifi25: The title of the said article is Battle of Košare. The text of the article should follow article title. It is against Wikipedia rules to have "Košare" in the title and "Kosharë" in the text because that is confusing. If you think the article should be moved (renamed), you can make a WP:move request. But, bare in mind that Wikipedia follow the WP:COMMONNAME policy and that the title of the article id always the most commonly used title regardless of the local usage. And, believe it or not, I never commented about Kosovo's independence, so please do not accuse me of something I never said. Vanjagenije (talk) 14:54, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Based on that. It dosen't make sense to me in Koshare the majority is Albanian. So why at least is not the first word Koshare do to the majority being Albanians.... And i see you changing Albanian pages all the time so you clear dont want us to speak our right opinion. First should be mentioned the Albanian language because it is the majority. It goes the same for your Country to. I want an clear change of the names the text is fine but also the Albanian language and word should be mentioned aswell. believe me or not you have a problem towards us Albanians saying our opinion. Xonilatifi25 (talk) 15:00, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Asking for help

Hello; I'm about publishing a page for Arsha Aghdasi as a linked page for the Persian ones fa:ارشا اقدسی. The English page has been deleted a few times. So I want to ask for your help to both inform me about the reason of deletion and checking my draft in the sandbox and notify me if it's good to publish. Looking forward to hear the answer; Thanks. Atena ak2 (talk) 14:59, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

@Atena ak2: The article has been deleted in 2016 for failing the WP:NOTABILITY criteria (See WP:BIO in connection with this). In short, editors felt that the subject of the article has not been significantly covered in reliable independent sources. I'm afraid that your draft suffers the same issues: although it cites many references, I don't see any significant coverage in reliable independent sources. Vanjagenije (talk) 21:07, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

thanks for your explanation can you please make an example of one independent resource of this topic? Atena ak2 (talk) 21:54, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

@Atena ak2: On the topic of Arsha Aghdasi? I don't know anything about that topic. It is your wp:burden to find and cite independent reliable sources with significant coverage. If there are no such sources, then the subject (person) is not notable and does not belong to Wikipedia. Vanjagenije (talk) 08:24, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you a lot I inspired from the Persian page and Enwiki pages of other people; so can you check it again? 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽 Atena ak2 (talk) 19:01, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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	For creating the article for Baba Anujka. That was a fascinating read. Scorpions13256 (talk) 16:57, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

@Scorpions13256: Thanks a lot. Vanjagenije (talk) 00:04, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

re-review

Hello; I edited my references so I think they are reliable enough. I want to ask you if you can re-review it and accept if competent cause it is needed for me soon. Atena ak2 (talk) 14:01, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

SPI

Hi, Vanja. While browsing through my watchlist I notice the move discussion at Talk:Mališevo. What sticks out are two obvious single-purpose accounts that haven't made edits anywhere else. [55] [56] Any way to figure out if they belong to existing users? Amanuensis Balkanicus (talk) 15:55, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

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Page unprotection request: Sly Cooper

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This was semi-protected over five years ago indefinitely for persistent sockpuppetry, by you. (Special:Diff/714906193) Other articles in the series are not semi-protected today, despite been a target of said sockpuppet in the past. I'd like to edit this article without making edit requests on the talk page or log in, particularly to change some reception section tables to {{Video game series reviews}} and Wikidata data. 84.250.14.116 (talk) 07:39, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

 Done. Vanjagenije (talk) 08:04, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

About Gully Classes Foundation Wikipedia

Hello, My Self Abdul Munaf founder of GULLY CLASSES FOUNDATION. Iammunnu (talk) 21:48, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Move

Yet another undiscussed move. [57] Amanuensis Balkanicus (talk) 18:10, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

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SPI Investigation

Hi, Vanja. I'm running an SPI investigation here: [58]. If you please, you may review it (I have evidence). Israell (talk) 05:47, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

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help with new account assessment

Hi there. Recently I encountered a new user account called Aquinasthomes1 and observed some troubling patterns that I posted about in http://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Aquinasthomes1&oldid=1036805101#contentious_edits Today I saw more, described at Talk:Andrija Torkvat Brlić#initial content - very problematic. Do you mind having a second look, as an admin with experience in this wonderful topic area? :D I don't want to WP:BITE an actual newbie, but I'm worried we're dealing with repeat business here. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 21:07, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

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Need help for creation of finance and business pages.

Dear fellow Wikipedian, Despite having been off Wikipedia for sometime now, I am coming back with a few specific ideas in mind for which I may need to get help and advice. I am looking to create a few Wikipedia pages about various financial institutions which are quite high in notability but have not yet been covered, however, despite my experience and my knowledge of the field, I am new to this kind of content.

Therefore, I am looking for other, recognized editors that I could consult in case I need help or advice if I encounter roadblocks during my endeavor. I would need to get advice from someone who is well versed in the fields of finance and business. (Or interested in such matters enough to help me)

Let me know if you could help me with this task and if not, let me know if you know someone on wikipedia that would be the go to person to help with such matters ? I am trying to contact a few administrators who seem to be highly competent in those fields but am currently having a hard time finding someone. Thanks in advance, SUPERGTOR (talk) 03:08, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

@SUPERGTOR: Please see the reply that I left at User talk:Legoktm#Need help for creation of finance and business pages. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 14:24, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

@SUPERGTOR: I am neither well versed, nor interested in business and finances. I can help you if you have some precise questions. Vanjagenije (talk) 18:08, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

@Vanjagenije:OK, no problem, I understand, and sure, I will definitely ask you if I do, thanks for the help.SUPERGTOR (talk) 22:19, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

New Page

I am new to editing in Wikipedia.

l Request Your help to create new pages on Important topic regarding Wildlife Science. Dijo Thomas Scientist (talk) 19:25, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

@Dijo Thomas Scientist: Feel free to ask me specific questions. Vanjagenije (talk) 21:11, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

SPI Check

Greetings, hope everything is okay, there are this 2 new accounts with the same interest on the same subject that appeared today and both have the same geolocation, is there a possibility to check are they the same editor using multiple accounts ? [[59]] and this one [[60]] thank you. Theonewithreason (talk) 28 September 2021 (UTC)

@Theonewithreason: Those are not accounts, those are IP addresses. IP address is recorded when an editor edits without logging-in (anonymously). Those are Ipv6 addresses belonging to the same /64 range (Special:Contributions/2601:646:101:A0C0:0:0:0:0/64). They certainly belong to the same person. Those are dynamic ip addresses and the person who is using them has no control over their (re-)assignment. Vanjagenije (talk) 21:20, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

@Ymblanter: You just blocked one of those IPs, but that is useless. You should block the whole /64 range. Vanjagenije (talk) 21:23, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

I try to avoid rangeblocks since I can not always estimate the scale of damage. I can protect pages though.--Ymblanter (talk) 05:28, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Ymblanter, avoiding rangeblocks is fine in general, but I urge you to make an exception for the IPv6 /64 ranges. Those represent a single person, and that person will use IPs all across the range (through no fault of their own, as Vanjagenije points out). There's no downside to blocking such a range; it merely blocks the individual. Bishonen | tålk 05:56, 29 September 2021 (UTC).

Great, thanks, I will have this in mind.--Ymblanter (talk) 06:44, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

Talk page ping

I pinged you there but you will probably not receive a notification for that, because I modified the original post. Ktrimi991 (talk) 17:13, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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	Thank you for helping with the English and French and Serbian sites for Niš (British) cemetery and for amending articles of the nurses who are buried there. Your kind advice is much appreciated. Kaybeesquared (talk) 10:40, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

@Kaybeesquared: Thank you. Vanjagenije (talk) 20:58, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Page linking error

Hello / Zdravo, whilst editing Wikipedia, I encountered an issue which is likely a bug or it may be a more complex issue and since I have been Wikipedia for a long time now, I may forgotten a few things, now that I have gotten back at it. The issue is very simple, I added the square brackets in order to embed a link inside Wikipedia text on a specific page in order to link that page to another Wikipedia page which has not yet been published. The page I am talking about is the Fahad Al Rajaan page, where I wanted to link the sentence "Public Institute for Social Security Fund" to the corresponding page talking about that organization which is the national pension fund of the state of Kuwait, you can find the link to it here: http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Public_Institution_For_Social_Security_Fund I want to stress that the page for the Public institution for social security fund has not been published yet and has not been indexed by google either, the page is 3 weeks old. As far as I can remember and unless I am mistaken, it is possible to link a Wikipedia page to another despite the fact that the latter has not yet been published. Let me know what the issue is according to you. And also, do you know what is the current time for the approval of a new page ? I remember it took longer back in the days but last time I checked, it was about 3 weeks. Regards, SUPERGTOR (talk) 23:41, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

@SUPERGTOR: What exactly is the "issue" you are talking about? I don't see any issue. Also, I don't know what you mean by "approval of a new page". As far as I know, there is not such thing as the approval of a new page. Vanjagenije (talk) 00:33, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Ah, I see now. Your link is not working because the title of the page is "Public Institution For Social Security Fund", while you linked the text "Public Institute for Social Security Fund". Note the difference between "Institution" and "Institute" and difference in the capitalization of "for". Vanjagenije (talk) 00:36, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

@Vanjagenije: Indeed, it was my lack of attention, it is almost like programming, you need the exact variable name. The correct name is institution rather than institute, you were right and now that I corrected everything including the "for", it worked. Regarding the page, I meant that it has not yet been indexed by Google to say the least and as far as I can remember there was an approval process before this, maybe I am mistaken, last time I checked, the page got indexed after about 3 weeks and this one has not been indexed yet so I am wondering when that will happen.SUPERGTOR (talk) 18:06, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

@SUPERGTOR: I don't know anything about Google indexing, so I can't answer that part of question. Wikipedia articles do not need any formal approval, there is only informal WP:new page patrol process, but that is not needed for anything. Vanjagenije (talk) 20:57, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

@Vanjagenije:It was this exact approval process that I was referring to, except I totally forgot how it was called and I think that the only need for this process is actually to review these pages before indexation, as mentioned here on WP:new page patrol : unpatrolled pages are not indexed by Google or other search engines. The only thing that I am left to wonder is why has it not been reviewed as the process usually takes around 3 weeks as the backlog doesn't last longer than that anymore but in any case, thanks for the help.SUPERGTOR (talk) 00:27, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Help with a disruptive anonymous IP user

Hello, I was hoping that you could help with a new anonymous IP user which has proven to be quite disruptive in their edits. User 179.183.32.64 has been making unconstructive and unsourced changes to various articles without providing edit summaries, and has even been engaging in the acts of spamming (categories at the Saint Sava article) and silent vandalism (discrete vandalism of native names amongst a massive misplaced, unsourced edit at List of heads of the Serbian Orthodox Church). I have seen users that engage in this type of disruptive behavior in the past, and they are difficult to deal with due to their inability to follow the guidelines here on Wikipedia. Can you please help monitor and deal with this user. I respect that you are an extremely experienced Wikipedian, and have most likely dealt with this type of situation in the past. Thank you for any help you may provide. Spirit Fox99 (talk) 11:53, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

The same user has now reverted all the correcting edits made trying to restore stable versions of the aforementioned articles. They have also completely erased the warning that was posted to their talk page, which is also against regulations. It is my belief that they will continue to engage in their disruptive behavior, providing little room for constructive improvements or discussion, which are the pillars of Wikipedia. Spirit Fox99 (talk) 16:35, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Bizarre IP edits

Take a look at this IP range. No change to the mainspace, but unhinged non-English rants in the edit summaries. [61] [62] Clearly not here to contribute to the project. Amanuensis Balkanicus (talk) 20:49, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Now at Leskovac as well. I'm not sure what to do other than playing whack-a-mole, since blocking will cause collateral damage, and disruption is, objectively, negligible. Actually, it's kind of funny to watch it unfolding. No such user (talk) 14:09, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

@No such user: Seams like he started in June in the Pečenjevce article. The disruption is minor, so no need to do anything for now. Vanjagenije (talk) 20:24, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Are you, perhaps, one of the alleged hackers? After all, you appear to be erasing evidence about harassment and surveillance. :) No such user (talk) 13:02, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

SPI

Hello, Thank you for closing Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Amrapahal Pahanswan. Shouldn't Mealiyta be also tagged for sock puppetry in their user page based on your closing comment. It will be helpful if I file another report on this SPI. Thanks - SUN EYE 1 06:58, 24 October 2021 (UTC)