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Mozilla Training....
I am in two minds about signing up for Saturday 18th. Do you know how many will be there? Gordo (talk) 10:13, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
- Not sure at the moment. Will have a look later. —Tom Morris (talk) 12:21, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
- OK. I am at home. Will be watching the edits of the list of articles.... Gordo (talk) 11:30, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
Not all PowerPC parts are related to Apple
Hi! I saw you added Apple Inc. related project templates to the talk pages of PowerPC e200, PowerPC e500 and PowerPC e6500 but these parts have nothing to do with Apple in any way, so I removed them. -- Henriok (talk) 16:12, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
Thank you It's been a long time since the bad old days of pre-Intel Macintoshes for me. Silly me. —Tom Morris (talk) 16:14, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
WikiProject Mozilla
Hi Tom,
(How does one "email" multiple Wikipedians in this way?) I'm about to do a blog post on the WikiProject, encouraging people to get involved, but the current page doesn't seem to have an obvious list of tasks. It just has a list of "pages which are in scope". Where is the best place to put analysis of the condition of each article? In that article's talk page? Is there some boilerplate we can insert into the WP page to give people more guidance about how to start editing?
Gerv — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gerv (talk • contribs) 12:30, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
- Hey Gerv.
- WikiProjects often have a statistics grid like this on WikiProject Albums. I've had a chat with various other admins and can't for the life of me work out how to get one. I had a look into it and the bot is down. User:CBM seems to be working hard to fix it; hopefully we'll have a statistics grid up soon when the bot starts working again. Toolserver frequent has interesting problems.
- Category:WikiProject Mozilla articles contains a list of all the articles in the project, and has subcategories sorted by importance and quality. This can be used in the mean time.
- I've had a crack at improving Talk:Mozilla/Sandbox, but there's still lots to do before it can be moved in place of the main Mozilla page. I'm thinking of asking some WikiProject Software people to have a look through and make suggestions.
- As for bulk delivery to Wikipedia talk pages, there's really no solution to that. Large scale delivery can be done with EdwardsBot (which is used for delivering things like the Signpost) but for small-scale delivery, you can't really do much other than copy-and-paste. —Tom Morris (talk) 13:42, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
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You granted this user 'autopatrolled' back in January. It has recently come to light that they have a pattern of creating articles as copyright violations -- see Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/Arunsingh16#Background. Do you have any objections to the removal of that right? VernoWhitney (talk) 14:07, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
- No, no objection. I don't really know about the CCI process in detail but if there is clear consensus that Arunsingh16 has infringed copyright (and based on my reading of CCI, it seems fairly obvious that he has), his autopatrolled right should definitely be removed. —Tom Morris (talk) 14:51, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
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Featured Article Timing
If an biography of a person said he died 111 years ago, would I got 1 point, or 6 points? Thanks!Lucky102 (talk) 09:12, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
- I have no idea about the featured article process, what these "points" are or anything. You might want to ask another administrator or an experienced user who knows something about the FA process. —Tom Morris (talk) 09:21, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks!Lucky102 (talk) 09:25, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
ORTS
Hi Tom,
As I think I've mentioned to you I've been doing some hanging around COIN for a little while and it's occurred to me that I might be able to help out there a little better by becoming an OTRS volenter. However, I'm a little nervous about applying (I'm not sure how the process works and it could well be as terrifying a concept as RfA, I wasn't able to get much of a sense from [1]) would you mind giving me the the quick thumbnail sketch of the process and if you think an editor with my level of experience can apply with any hope of success? (Asking you on the basis that you are aware I'm over 16 and have seen me have conversations with grown-ups and everything. Fayedizard (talk) 19:54, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
- Hey Fayedizard, I'd say you are probably more than qualified for applying to OTRS if that's what you are interested in doing. The OTRS application process is very much unlike an RfA: there tends to not be a huge amount of participation, and the ultimate decision about whether to approve your application rests with the OTRS administrators. If your OTRS application were to, say, get filled with the malicious ramblings of an unhinged troll, the OTRS administrators are sensible and will give such comments the due consideration they deserve and no more.
- As for the being over sixteen bit, you have to be willing to identify to the Wikimedia Foundation. This simply means you take a scan of your passport or driving license and email it to the relevant person. They add you to a list of identified users.
- I'd have to have a look a bit deeper into your editing history to say for certain, but I see no reason on the face of it why you shouldn't do OTRS work. OTRS needs all the hands it can get. —Tom Morris (talk) 23:16, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
- Much appreciated - thank you. Is the scan just for age? I'm a little cautions about keeping online identities separate... and I'm wondering if there are circumstances in which I get outed? Fayedizard (talk) 23:25, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
- The requirement for identification is simply because the Foundation want to have some record of who exactly has access to non-public data: it's a requirement for quite a variety of things including the Account Creation process, OTRS, higher permissions like CheckUser and Oversight etc. After the identification is done, they destroy the email you send them. The Foundation won't (okay, no guarantees, but it's highly unlikely) leak your identity; if they do, there would be a massive shitstorm. —Tom Morris (talk) 23:41, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
- Thank you - have applied :) Fayedizard (talk) 15:04, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
- The requirement for identification is simply because the Foundation want to have some record of who exactly has access to non-public data: it's a requirement for quite a variety of things including the Account Creation process, OTRS, higher permissions like CheckUser and Oversight etc. After the identification is done, they destroy the email you send them. The Foundation won't (okay, no guarantees, but it's highly unlikely) leak your identity; if they do, there would be a massive shitstorm. —Tom Morris (talk) 23:41, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
- Much appreciated - thank you. Is the scan just for age? I'm a little cautions about keeping online identities separate... and I'm wondering if there are circumstances in which I get outed? Fayedizard (talk) 23:25, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
Your tagging bot
I just noticed your bot request and wanted to ask if you need any suggestions for what categories might be useful to tag for WPUS or the supported projects I would be happy to provide a list. I have been tagging them manually myself it its quite time consuming. Your bot would put a pretty sizable dent in the list I would think. Kumioko (talk) 02:41, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
- Sure, once the bot is approved, I'll be happy to help WikiProject United States. There's a few functions I still need to write before I think the bot is ready for approval, but I can give you instructions on how to build up a list of categories.
- Basically, the bot works to a plan described in what I've called a planfile (which is a dumb name). The planfile looks like this:
% {{WikiProject United States|class=|importance=}}
Sports in the United States
- In the planfile, you can specify multiple WikiProjects by including multiple % lines. It is highly recommended that you spell out the full name of the WikiProjects rather than using, like, 'MILHIST'. You can also specify that some categories are to be recursively traversed. This is done like this:
% {{WikiProject United States|class=|importance=}}
Sports in the United States | recursive
- Be careful with specifying recursive calls. It actually will search recursively, and might lead to undesirable results.
- If you don't want to write a plan file, just write a list and I'll turn it into a planfile for you. Eventually, I'm hoping to store the planfiles and have them re-run every few months to find new articles. Hope that helps. —Tom Morris (talk) 08:16, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
Binarism
I wanted to know if you could help me with the binarism article. I'm a terrible researcher and could certainly use some help.-Rainbowofpeace (talk) 08:08, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
- Hi Rainbowofpeace,
- I'm not familiar with the literature on trans issues, but I had a bit of a poke around.
- There are a lot of sources, but there are a few issues. One immediate issue I spotted is that in the article, Wikipedia talks about binarism as a category of discriminatory attitudes towards transgender people, a negative -ism word like sexism or racism. I am struggling to find reliable sources that talk about binarism in this manner: there's lots of unreliable sources like blogs. There are a lot of academic sources that talk about binarism but without the negative stuff. That is to say, they'll talk about how a poem or a movie transcends binarism (and not always in the trans/genderqueer/intersex/LGBT sense).
- When I search on Google for gender binarism (as an attempt to cut away other binarisms), all I really see are things on Tumblr and Wordpress.com. That's slightly concerning from a reliable sources perspective. Really, we need a clear source, otherwise Wikipedia probably isn't the place for the article yet. You might want to ask for more assistance at WT:LGBT. —Tom Morris (talk) 08:32, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
- I'm up for negotiation for a title change but an not yet ready to do it. I do know it will probably happen eventually because the term is a neologism that is mostly used in transgender support groups and blogs but I'm hoping editors will give a little bit of time for me and other editors to find sources that justify the name. I also added some information on discrimination against genderqueer people and added the article to I think 6 templates. Anyway thank you for your help.-Rainbowofpeace (talk) 08:39, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
- Make that 3 templates and 3 see alsoes on article pages. Also remember this article is in its infancy and will probably get better sources over time.-Rainbowofpeace (talk) 08:41, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
- Don't worry, I'm not going to nominate it for deletion, but that's because I'm reasonably sure there are sources out there, I just can't find them. —Tom Morris (talk) 09:02, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
Amin Affane
Hi! You have deleted the page Amin Affane created by me, as he has not yet played a league match for his club senior team. Now, he's loaned at Roda JC Kerkrade from Chelsea F.C.. Tonight, there's a Eredivisie match for Roda JC tonight, and have a probability for Amin Affane to make his debut tonight. So, can you please undo the deletion of the page? Because I want to be the wikipedia'article creator of the page Amin Affane. :) ZZ47 (talk) 09:48, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
- He has finally made his debut and also assisted a goal. So now, please undo the deleted page of Amin Affane please. :) ZZ47 (talk) 18:19, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks a lot :) ZZ47 (talk) 18:22, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
The Olive Branch: A Dispute Resolution Newsletter (Issue #1)
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- Discussion update: Checking up on the Wikiquette Assistance close debate
- Proposal: It's time to close the Geopolitical, ethnic, and religious conflicts noticeboard. Agree or disagree?
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FA candidate
Hi Tom, I know you're good at reviewing philosophy articles - do you think you could take a look at Augustinian theodicy, which is currently a Featured Article candidate? Any suggestions or feedback you could give there would be really appreciated. Thanks. ItsZippy (talk • contributions) 15:30, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
Analytics, A/B testing, and user feedback
Hi, Tom, Maybe this is not part of your job or responsibility or interest, so maybe you can't comment for whatever reason, but I'm curious whether Wikipedia uses Analytics, A/B or multivariate testing—or even opt-in questionnaires to sample user opinions (e.g. about the user interface or issues like diacritics in titles). I don't know how easy it is to put a cost on redirects, but—as you certainly know—it is widely considered costly to put redirects on very popular pages. And I'd certainly assume that you're probably well aware of European (and other countries') web accessibility laws, and proper semantic markup for embedding foreign languages in English Wikipedia. I wonder if there's an open place on Wikipedia where informed techies brainstorm about such issues and Wikipedia? Best regards LittleBen (talk) 17:09, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
- I'm afraid I have absolutely no idea. And I'm not sure who it would be best to ask. —Tom Morris (talk) 18:24, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
Talkback
Is it possible for me to talk to you privately? I have a real-life concern for my actions that have been worrying me. Betty Logan (talk) 11:15, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
- Feel free to email me. —Tom Morris (talk) 12:32, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
- What is your email address? Betty Logan (talk) 13:38, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
- Just use the email this user function. —Tom Morris (talk) 13:41, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
- Thankyou! The option wasn't there because I didn't have my email registered, but I've just added it. Talk to you shortly. Betty Logan (talk) 14:09, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
- Just use the email this user function. —Tom Morris (talk) 13:41, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
- What is your email address? Betty Logan (talk) 13:38, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
Hi Tom Morris. Because you participated in Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#User page breaching wikipedia policies, you may be interested in Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Timeshift9 (2nd nomination). Cunard (talk) 06:11, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
- Thank you for notifying me. —Tom Morris (talk) 07:23, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
This Month in GLAM: August 2012
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Email sent to permissions-commons about Mozilla logo
I don't have an email address for you, so I couldn't CC you, but I just sent an email to permissions-commons about the Mozilla dino head logo. Sorry it took so long :-)
Gerv — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gerv (talk • contribs) 20:04, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks Gerv. I've locked the ticket to myself and I'll sort it out when I get home in an hour or so. (OTRS, our customer service email software, doesn't like my 3G connection.)
- Also, you may be pleased to know that the blogging system I'm building is using Mozilla Persona. It was extremely simple to implement in Rails. —Tom Morris (talk) 20:36, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
Friends
Can you restore Friends indefinite move-protection (sysop) from this page? I think you removed it by mistake. Thank you. Tbhotch.™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 18:31, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
Done Sorry about that. —Tom Morris (talk) 20:07, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
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Deletion review
Could you review your closure at this Afd? The arguments of the delete votes appear to be more sensible to me and all the keep votes had their concerns addressed. Thanks. Secret of success (talk) 12:24, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
- I had another look and I stand by my closure. Despite two relistings, there just isn't consensus. —Tom Morris (talk) 12:32, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
- All the points put forward by the users who opted to keep have been addressed. The main argument is that the subject does not have sources available, and as far as I can see, there should be nothing superior to that, right? Secret of success (talk) 12:38, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
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Hot Cat discussion at VPP
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Clubs and categories
A couple of weeks ago you mentioned that there didn't seem to be categories for (eg) members of the Athenaeum, etc. It definitely looks worthwhile; I've put it on the to-do list.
I've had a quick look around, and this whole section is a bit of a mess - we have Gentlemen's club and Category:Gentlemen's clubs in London, but the main category is Category:Traditional gentlemen's clubs. I assume there's been some kind of (garbled) attempt to distinguish between these and the more, um, untraditional variety... Andrew Gray (talk) 08:54, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
- Yep, going through and sorting out gentlemen's clubs (of the traditional sort) is on my to-do list. Starting, incidentally, not with categories, but with the sourcing of the membership list sections of articles which tend to be unreferenced compilations of rumours and the like. —Tom Morris (talk) 08:56, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
- Interesting. If you want me to run off a couple of reports from Who's Who listing members of various clubs, let me know - they won't be comprehensive, of course, and failure to mention a club is not proof they never were a member, but it may be helpful. Andrew Gray (talk) 09:10, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
ZOMG
You've been here a month longer than me. Neato. -- Hex [t/c] 07:50, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
- Slightly depressing, isn't it? —Tom Morris (talk) 07:52, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
Stopping projects
Hi Tom, I saw your thoughts and I thought you might want some discussion. I'll use M'pedia as an example. Stopping large projects like Monmouthpedia (for instance) and then restarting them as a normal wikiproject is possible. My view is that M'pedia worked because of the enthusiasm and rush. If you look at that project now then its calmed down to a trickle. Starting it up again to its previous energy would be very difficult and not just because there is not much left to write about. If we stop then the many active editors on different wikipedias will be disheartened. Victuallers (talk) 09:58, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
- Oh, sure, and it is sad that it would have to come to this. Unlike some of the troll community, I won't be celebrating this or dancing on any graves.
- I'm not interested in playing the blame game: the fact is that as far as I can see, with ignore all rules as my guide, Gibraltarpedia cannot carry on in its current form without a fundamental rethink.
- I do hope that the editors won't leave, and it'll be important to tell them that there is a big storming Wikipedia drama going on (if they aren't already aware), and to try to encourage them to join other WikiProjects and continue collaborating. The whole thing has been a sorry saga to watch. —Tom Morris (talk) 10:08, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
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Thanks. As one clever bunny at IRC said, it's FA, so constructive edits unlikely, and all the edits were vandalism anyhow. Thanks, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:35, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
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Yggdrasil Page Protection
Hello Tom, thanks for protecting Yggdrasil. However, you did so after yet another wave of vandalism, and your protection was reverted with the vandalism. Would you please protect the page now that the vandalism has been reverted? Thank you. :bloodofox: (talk) 21:14, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
- Sure, you only removed the protection template. The protection is there whether the template is there or not. I've restored the protection template though. —Tom Morris (talk) 21:16, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
- Okay, thanks. I wasn't sure how that worked. :bloodofox: (talk) 21:29, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
Request for help...
Hi! If you get a chance, I was wondering if you could take a look at the discussion here? We're trying to find a way of tagging various articles, and it was suggested that your knowledge of bots might help! Many thanks in advance, Hchc2009 (talk) 14:21, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
Invitation to join the Ten Year Society
Dear Tom Morris/Archive 12,
I'd like to extend a cordial invitation to you to join the Ten Year Society, an informal group for editors who've been participating in the Wikipedia project for ten years or more.
Best regards, — Hex (❝?!❞) 12:01, 6 October 2012 (UTC).
- Done Thank you for the invitation to this very small and exclusive club of crazy people. —Tom Morris (talk) 12:20, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
Happy Wikiversary!
Hi Tom! Have some (albeit imaginary) Red Bull to celebrate your 10th anniversary of editing Wikipedia (no mean feat!). Here's to another ten more. :-)
- Thanks, Rock drum. The thought that at thirty-something (a lady never says her age), I'm going to be arguing on ANI is both comforting and slightly horrifying. —Tom Morris (talk) 20:17, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
sun-mar page protection
Hello Tom, thanks for protecting the page this gives us temporary relief from the vandal 70.62.215.218 .We have further questions - is there a non public offline communications channel way to contact you? Busynoise2 (talk) 13:45, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
- You can always use e-mail this user to send me an email. I can't promise detailed responses to emails that people send me, but I can try. —Tom Morris (talk) 14:01, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
ok thanks Busynoise2 (talk) 15:12, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
email has been sent — Preceding unsigned comment added by Busynoise2 (talk • contribs) 18:48, 7 October 2012 (UTC)