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--Lajmmoore (talk 08:08, 29 September 2024 (UTC) via MassMessaging[reply]

Would like to resubmit my Article for publishing

Dear Theroadislong, I hope you are well. It's been some months since our last discussion about my Article http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Manfred_Little_Konzett , and since then I've found new press articles for citations, have cleaned up older, broken citation-links, and streamlined the article. This time, in my Draft as I edit, I don't find the option to submit for publishing. Could you please advise when you have a moment? Thank you, Beth Wimmer Beth Wimmer (talk) 06:48, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) @ Hi there, you can now resubmit it. I have added the previous AfC comments as it’s vital to track previous comments. Happy editing. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 07:25, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Beth Wimmer After three rejections I will not be reviewing the draft again, there has been zero improvement since previous rejections, Discogs is not a reliable independent source for example. Theroadislong (talk) 07:33, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the fast feedback, Theroadislong. i'll remove the discogs mentions - forgot that, doh! All the best, Beth Wimmer Beth Wimmer (talk) 10:46, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Vanderwaalforces! best to you, Beth Wimmer Beth Wimmer (talk) 10:46, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Decline of draft article

Hi, regardless of the indepdendent sources I added to the article, you mentioned that "the article should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources, not just to materials produced by the creator of the subject being discussed.".

First of all, all the sources are independent. In addition, this event complies with notability rules. Summit is the first such event in the Azerbaijan and region. It is continuing for years. You can find a lot of secondary sources about this event in internet. Please, give exact reasons that why the article was declined. After that, I can improve the article. Thanks in advance. Əhməd Qurbanov (talk) 13:39, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You are free to re-submit and let another reviewer take a look, I think it is just blatant advertising and reads nothing like an encyclopaedia article, you clearly have a conflict of interest too, but have not disclosed it yet. Theroadislong (talk) 13:58, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What do you mean by "clearly have a conflict of interest?" What is the reason behind that? If someone creates the article about any event, is it the conflict of interest? Əhməd Qurbanov (talk) 14:19, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Əhməd Qurbanov (talk page watcher) Setting your indignation aside, do yu have a conflict of interest? 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 14:36, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You said on your talk page "regardless of my position to the event, I wrote the article neutrally. I don't promote anything" Theroadislong (talk) 14:47, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Timtrent, I don't have indignation. I like to learn from mistakes. But I don't know why you keep accusing me of having a conflict of interest. No, I don't. I wanted to write an article about it because the number of participants in the event, its notability in the region and in Azerbaijan, and the number of independent and reliable sources writing about it have increased. This year, third edition of event is expected, and in my opinion, it will be organized in the future as well. Əhməd Qurbanov (talk) 14:54, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Theroadislong, I mean that, regardless of my opinion (positive or negative) to this event, I wrote the article neutrally. In the article, you can not see any promotional sentences. Əhməd Qurbanov (talk) 14:56, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You need to review what constitutes neutral tone then. I can see a LARGE number of promotional sentences... “The summit brings together technology entrepreneurs, companies and startups” “It impacts innovations and presents the opinions of professionals from different countries” “This summit connects speakers, investors, and collaborators from more than 25 countries” “The third such event is planned to be held on October 10-11, 2024” “participants are provided to get acquainted with local and regional startup authors.” “The summit will include a startup competition with a $25,000 prize fund.” Theroadislong (talk) 15:03, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But they are facts. What is expected to be written in the article about innovation events? I put all the appropriate references to support these sentences. Əhməd Qurbanov (talk) 15:09, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Əhməd Qurbanov The problem with facts is the way we express them. Forgive me if I am making assumptions, the more so since your English is excellent; your character choice for the first character of your user name suggests that English might be a second language for you, an excellent one. Despite excellence, this means that nuances of phrasing may present some challenges.

I can present the same fact neutrally or promotionally:

The guests were served with a souvenir piece of wedding cake, boxed for them to take away
The spectacularly arrayed guests, chosen from the very best of society, were served with a souvenir piece of the most delicious and incredible wedding cake, presented in a bejewelled and gilded sumptuous box made of the finest parchment.

I know that you can see the difference, yet they are both facts.

I have purposely not read the example that Theroadislong chose above, knowing that you can see the point they make. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 16:47, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, @Əhməd Qurbanov. Your answer is clear. I felt it was possible that you had not answered the prior question completely. Rather than getting into a discussion about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin I just asked the question in modified form again. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 16:40, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

KvdL

As it stands after your trimming, I think there may be sufficient sourced material for it to stand a better than 50% chance of surviving a deletion process. However, I am interested in your thoughts. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 13:25, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I did wonder this, though the article South African Film and Television Awards doesn't mention her award, there are reliable sources for it and I guess the award is enough to clear the notability hurdle? Theroadislong (talk) 14:02, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think the community will make the judgement better than you or I. I want to steer clear of being the one to move it, if possible. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 14:10, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Timtrent: "I reckon you're brave enough", remember? ;) DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:20, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@DoubleGrazing Brave enough I am. I just want to steer clear of it. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 15:39, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have given the creating editor firm advice not to edit it. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 17:26, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) @Timtrent: I just want to confirm the link I made here is to the correct and same subject at the AfD: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Karin Van Der Laag? Bobby Cohn (talk) 17:38, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Bobby Cohn Thank you. It still refused to show up so I put wikilink brackets round it, and now it does. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 17:40, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Light dawns. Her Facebook page is where she spells every part of her name with a leading capital. I have moved it to her presumed preferred capitalisation, and re-corrected the old AFD. Thank you Bobby Cohn for fixing that and Theroadislong for doing the heavy lifting.

I hope this lengthy saga is now at an end and we see no instances of WP:OWN. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 17:52, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Submission Declined

Thanks for reviewing my page. I've now taken the notes and amended it as per guidelines. Hope that works but if there is anything further, do highlight when you review and I'll rewrite. Cyto2015 (talk) 11:56, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Several uncited paragraphs for Draft:Jewish educational media

The page Draft:Jewish Educational Media has a citation at every single paragraph besides for the list of book publications but that doesn't need references. there is a posted an archive of search results from the biggest judaica store in New York, Judaica World. of all the books see here.

so how can you say there is several uncited paragraphs?? 69.75.169.38 (talk) 00:42, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) The most recent reviewer is Sir MemeGod, not Theroadislong. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:22, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

for article creation of Irfan aslam

hi @Theroadislong can you please help me out to publish it.. because this Contributor named Saqib i can understand his intentions. i asked him multiple time for help he is not helping me out . not telling me how to do it. if you can it will be huge favour. Thank you. Faizullah Anwar (talk) 11:14, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your draft Draft:Irfan Aslam was declined 4 times and then rejected, there is nothing else you can do, the topic is not notable. Theroadislong (talk) 11:25, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Submission declined

Hi @Theroadislong. Thanks for reviewing my article submission. I'm hoping you can advise me on what improvements I can make to depict the subject of the article as a notable person. She has published several novels that have won awards and has been the subject of Canadian media coverage in reputable national outlets such as CBC and the Globe and Mail a number of times. Would more citations help? Any input would be much appreciated. All the best. Ookeeffee (talk) 16:28, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ookeeffee I thought it was borderline, if you would like to re-submit I will happily accept and let it take it's chances. Theroadislong (talk) 16:33, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok. I've resubmitted. Thanks very much for the help and the quick reply. Ookeeffee (talk) 16:42, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Declined due to not reliable sources

Thanks for reviewing my page Draft:Payara Services.. I have followed your advice and updated with independant sources such as DZone, ZDNEt, InfoQ and hope these resources are fine. If there is any other feedback, please let me know Cyto2015 (talk) 23:42, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:DIALux

Hello Theroadislong, thanks a lot fore reviewing the Draft:DIALux article. I have tried to eliminate all the points you criticized. Your comments and feedback are always welcome. I really appreciate it. 37.201.193.229 (talk) 09:53, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Declined article

Hi Theroadislong,

I’m reaching out to better understand the reason behind the decline of my article. In your comment, you mentioned, "Encyclopedia articles need to be written from a neutral point of view and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources, not just to materials produced by the creator of the subject being discussed. This is important so that the article can meet Wikipedia's verifiability policy and the notability of the subject can be established."

As you may have noticed, I previously revised the article based on similar feedback. I added several independent publications, removed press releases, clearly stated when information is from the company itself, and included additional sources demonstrating the company’s relevance in research.

I genuinely believed these revisions would bring the article in line with Wikipedia's neutrality and reliability standards, so I’m unsure what further adjustments might be needed. Could you please provide more specific feedback on what remains problematic?

Thank you for your time and guidance.

Kind regards, 3DmicroPrintExpert (talk) 10:44, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @3DmicroPrintExpert: you say you've removed press releases, but I count six sources that expressly say they are press releases, and I suspect there are others that don't say that but probably are. There is also a Forbes contributor article cited, which is not considered independent and reliable (see WP:FORBESCON). There may well be solid sources also, among the 50+ (on which point, see WP:REFBOMB for why such a large number of sources is in itself problematic), but they are obstructed by the dross. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:01, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @DoubleGrazing

I thought the more sources I use, the better it will be for clarification, just like I'm used to doing when writing scientific articles. For example, in the previous draft I had a source that said that all these unis use machines from the company, and in a comment on a talk page I was told that one article isn't enough. So I looked for a source for each uni, which ends up in more sources. I'll look up the article you cited for me, but tbh for me as a scientist limiting sources doesn't make any sense at all. There are so many tiny/side rules here that I am learning from one draft to the next.

Yes, there are still press releases, but in the beginning I had a lot more of them. I was told that it wasn't a problem to use them as long as you cited them as press releases, which I did. So is it still problematic? Why is there even an option to mark a source as a press release if you can't use it?

Thanks for sending me that list of trustworthy and untrustworthy media. I didn't know about this list and will definitely check it out!

So do I understand you correctly that from your point of view adding all the sources made it worse than before and I should delete a huge amount of them? Is there anything else you would give me an advice on?

Sorry for all the questions, but I'm just trying to understand. 3DmicroPrintExpert (talk) 11:20, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure whom told you press releases are okay, but they absolutely cannot be used to establish notability as they are a primary source, and their use must be as such- only to source basic, factual information(like location, number of employees, etc.) 331dot (talk) 11:33, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@331dot I think it was the person who rejected the first draft, but I don't remember who it was. But we were just talking about the use of press releases in general. Because I didn't cite it as a press release and wasn't aware that that was a category to use. I just didn't see it when I was setting up the first draft. Ok but for something like awards I think most of the time there are only press releases available from the uni/company that handles the award. Would you recommend just deleting those awards? 3DmicroPrintExpert (talk) 11:45, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the awards section should be removed, none of those awards have articles. If they did, it would be okay to cite them for the awarding of the award(i.e. it's fine AFAIK to cite the Academy's website to show a person got an Academy Award. 331dot (talk) 14:22, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Declined Draft Khadija Omar

Hey there, I already make her biography, sources per WP:SOURCES, pageantary when she goes to Competitions like Miss World Miss Universe Canada 2024 and appointed on Miss Universe Somalia 2024. Should i sumbit again or what! 77.77.219.225 (talk) 07:34, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I aready replied on your talk page. You need to re-write the draft in a dry neutral tone (no adjectives) reporting ONLY what the sources say Theroadislong (talk) 07:38, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Theroadislong sounds good, I will add another source from Miss World 2021 when she was competition, there should be 2nd source per WP:SOURCE. 77.77.219.225 (talk) 07:43, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Declined Draft

Hi @Theroadislong, I'm wondering why the article I've been working on keeps getting declined, and how I can improve it. Hectorvector27 22:45, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As explained "Notability cannot be inherited and there is nothing there to suggest she is notable in her own right. Theroadislong (talk) 07:34, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What part of nobility am I failing to meet, and how can I achieve it. Hectorvector27 15:58, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See Wikipedia:BASIC. Theroadislong (talk) 16:14, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Theroadislong, so I add more references? Hectorvector27 17:01, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That might help, but why do you consider Gramont notable in Wikipedia terms? Theroadislong (talk) 17:09, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

She was Countess of Tankerville. Hectorvector27 17:15, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is NOT a criteria for notability. People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other and independent of the subject. Theroadislong (talk) 17:26, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm just confused, what do I add, what can I add? Hectorvector27 17:30, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps you would find more help here Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk. Theroadislong (talk) 17:36, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draft declined

Hello @Theroadislong, regarding my Draft, I think you may have missed that the information in the sources are not solely coming from interviews, the two articles that mention interviews are independent reliable sources that have done their own research most importantly. Also, Wikipedia's 5 major guidelines don't say anything about interviews not being reliable sources. Biographies of famous people often mention appearances on platforms such as TED talks or documentaries, so this is similar to that. The biography only mentions in a neutral way that the subject appeared in a newspaper and was funded by external organisations. Thanks for the help! Hlfdalla (talk) 14:43, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You are free to re-submit and get other opinions but I consider that Draft:Filippo Dall'Armellina currently fails WP:GNG. Not seeing any in-depth significant coverage. Theroadislong (talk) 15:01, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Karin Van Der Laag (2nd nomination)

You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Karin Van Der Laag (2nd nomination). You've been invited because you took part in the first AfD discussion. Bobby Cohn (talk) 13:04, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I know you're aware of the discussion, I'm leaving this notice on all the talk pages of editors who previously contributed but have not commented in the new one. Thanks, Bobby Cohn (talk) 13:05, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]