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Make Me Like You

First off, I'd like to thank you for all of your substantial edits to Tragic Kingdom. So thanks! I know you're apart of the Stefani WikiProject (and I believe I have asked you this before), but I recently nominated the above article for featured article consideration. You are welcome to comment on it if you would like. Thank you and regards. Carbrera (talk) 23:54, 21 January 2017 (UTC).

@Carbrera: Thank you for your kind words! Sure, I'll give it a look. snapsnap ^(talk) 02:03, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

It Will Rain - Composition and lyrical interpretation

Hi there. Entertainment Weekly article says the song "thinking that Dawn is a leap into pop-crossover diversity." Diversity means "the state of being diverse; variety.". Los Angeles Times says "As with all of the installments, half are good, half aren’t — all depending on your mood and tolerance for soft rock." but not the point for this song. 123.136.106.21 (talk) 13:38, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi

Regarding this edit, I'm just curious: why do you remove the "|publisher=" fields? I always thought it was a required field for online sources (at least, that's what I've been doing for the past 10 years). Homeostasis07 (talk) 15:42, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

@Homeostasis07: I used to include the "publisher" parameter for online sources as well, but then I stumbled across WP:CS1, which states that such parameter "should not be included either for mainstream, widely-known newspapers, or where it would be the same or mostly the same as the work/site/journal/etc." snapsnap ^(talk) 16:16, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Gotcha. I've seen a load of users removing the field over the past year or so. Nice to finally understand why. Thanks. ;) Homeostasis07 (talk) 16:36, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Promo cover arts of Fell in Love with a Girl#Joss Stone version

You uploaded the promo cover arts of Fell in Love with a Girl#Joss Stone version. I think one official commercial artwork is enough to help readers already identify the Joss Stone release. Shall I remove the promo artworks then? --George Ho (talk) 06:14, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

@George Ho: I've removed those myself, they're definitely unnecessary. snapsnap ^(talk) 23:32, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

Here are File:Joss Stone - Fell In Love UK promo.jpg and File:Joss Stone - Fell In Love US promo.jpg. You can add {{db-g7}}. Rationale is optional; you can add it if necessary. By the way, just in case, you can check your uploads, including latest revisions that you made. --George Ho (talk) 01:50, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

Lily Allen

Thanks for the reverts on the album pages. Left a number of warnings on the editor page. Karst (talk) 15:32, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

Album cover of Bilingual (album)

I think you didn't notice that File:Pet Shop Boys - Bilingual.jpg is uploaded as free to use. Can you move File:Pet Shop Boys - Bilingual.png to Commons and make a larger PNG version, i.e. the same width as the JPEG one? --George Ho (talk) 20:52, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

I made a mistake about its status in UK. Already sent a message at your Commons user talk page. --George Ho (talk) 20:12, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Album cover of Super (album)

The album cover, uploaded as File:Pet Shop Boys - Super.png, has "SUPER" enclosed within the pink circle. I am sure it's free to use in the US, i.e. {{PD-ineligible-USonly}}. Maybe free to use for Commons, but I don't know. --George Ho (talk) 20:58, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

@George Ho: I hadn't noticed, to be honest. Sure, I'll move it to Commons. I'm not sure about the Super cover either, but I could try moving it as well. snapsnap ^(talk) 04:55, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

I changed the info of Super album cover, but I've not yet confirmed it as free to transfer to Commons. Before transfer, you can ask at WP:MCQ. If no one responds for one week or so, then try WP:FFD. George Ho (talk) 05:14, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

@George Ho: I asked at WP:MCQ, but apparently it's not free to use for Commons. snapsnap ^(talk) 17:21, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Despite the status in UK, can you enlarge the cover anyways? ;) George Ho (talk) 18:14, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

@George Ho: Wouldn't that be against WP:NFCCP? snapsnap ^(talk) 19:59, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

To everybody's view, as long as the image is free only in English Wikipedia, since English Wikipedia is governed by US law, I would say no for now. Also, see Wikipedia:Possibly unfree files/2015 November 10#File:Australian Aboriginal Flag.svg. If in doubt, you can ask at WT:Non-U.S. copyrights, WT:NFC, or WP:MCQ (again). --George Ho (talk) 20:05, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

@George Ho: Would it make any difference to enlarge it, though? snapsnap ^(talk) 21:22, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

You can go ahead and enlarge it if you may. Covers of Introspective are large and free only in En wiki. George Ho (talk) 22:07, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Almost forgot, if an image is free in the US (and in en wiki), then NFCC would not apply. --George Ho (talk) 23:20, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

@George Ho: I see. Well, I've uploaded a larger version. snapsnap ^(talk) 02:50, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

"Super"... fantastic. BTW, no need to use "orfurrev" on freer images. "Orfurrev" is reserved for previous revisions of non-free images. George Ho (talk) 02:53, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

@George Ho: Oh, okay. I'm mostly used to handling non-free images. snapsnap ^(talk) 03:13, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Here or file talk pages?

I've been thinking. If we can discuss an individual image, would a suitable venue be a user talk page or a file talk page? If the latter, I must ping you somehow. For a few, several, or mass amount of uploaded images, however, I can use a user talk page. Thoughts? --George Ho (talk) 03:24, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

@George Ho: Um, I guess it depends. For a single image, you could use either, but for several images I think it would be best to take it to the user talk page. snapsnap ^(talk) 16:37, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Need your help

I need your help by adding another genre for Still Brazy, but I don't know which of the sources are reliable enough to says it a G-funk album [1] [2] [3] [4]. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 19:49, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

@TheAmazingPeanuts: Hi, sorry for the late reply. They are all reliable sources. However, RapReviews.com mentions a "G-funk beat" and a "G funk influence", which are not specific enough. I think Pitchfork ("...dips into rich, classic g-funk") and Consequence of Sound ("[the album is] full of the kind of warm G-funk that...") are the best sources to support G-funk. snapsnap ^(talk) 00:05, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, I know all these sources are reliable but I want make sure which of these sources saying it's a G-funk album. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 18:17, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

More Life

Which one of these sources [5] [6] [7] [8] classified being a hip hop, R&B, dancehall and Afrobeat project. I did read these sources but I like to hear a second opinion of this. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 19:10, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

@TheAmazingPeanuts: None of those sources seem to refer to the aforementioned genres in a precise manner. Exclaim! says "More Life cements a place for genres long-overlooked by mainstream media", which sounds a little too vague. The Independent also mentions "R&B/hip-hop" in a vague way. Pitchfork doesn't appear to mention any genres, and Rolling Stone describes one song as dancehall. snapsnap ^(talk) 15:48, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

I see your point. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 12:39, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

Proof of "Copy of a" and "Everything" being made available for sale on iTunes

http://thefunstar.com/releases/%E2%80%9Ceverything%E2%80%9D-the-new-single-from-nine-inch-nails-is-streaming-now-on-npr-music%E2%80%99s-%E2%80%9Call-songs-considered%E2%80%9D/

Stop reverting them back to promotional singles, please. The Wikipedia definition of a "promo" are those that are furnished to radio stations. Free or paid music does not factor into the equation. Places like Amazon release free music all the time, I don't think anyone calls these promos. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.19.9.131 (talk) 07:23, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

Depeche Mode

Only the studio albums have to be included in the infobox for "previous album" and "next record". But you had included here compilations, greatest hits in the case of the next record. You did that on many DM studio album articles. Please don't repeat this at any studio album articles. Thanks. Woovee (talk) 18:51, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

ITM

It doesn't need to be in the album's liner notes. The group doesn't need to say so. However, I have not actually listened to these tracks. Are there really any words in these songs, or not? The fact you're saying they're not on the back cover implies you have these albums, so I thought you might know. We can substitute that for "instrumental" if they don't actually have anything in there. dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 11:35, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

@DannyMusicEditor: I don't physically own any of the albums in question, but I've seen scans of their respective back covers (here and here). Adding notes describing tracks as "intro", "interlude" and such when none of these are supported by the liner notes goes against WP:OR, so yes, track listings should follow what's included in the liner notes. snapsnap ^(talk) 21:22, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

In regards to the comment about OR, I'm going to just have to agree to disagree with you on that. I won't war over those albums with you. dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 02:25, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

Marina and the Diamonds discography (problem)

Good morning SnapSnap! I read your edit about Marina and the Diamonds discography...I like it! But at the moment, on the Wiki page, there's a big problem about peak positions, sales and certifications, and I don't know how to change and restore your edit. Thanks for the attention! --Na$hian (talk) 08:50, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

@Na$hian: Hi, thanks for letting me know. I already reverted to my last edit. I've tried to get the page to be semi-protected considering all the disruptive edits regarding charts and sales, but it was dismissed as "not enough recent disruptive activity to justify protection". snapsnap ^(talk) 21:22, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

Sounds Good Feels Good

Hi. In regards to refer to the aforementioned genres in a precise manner. NME Review says "‘Sounds Good Feels Good’ is obviously more pop than punk", which sounds a little too vague. 183.171.182.218 (talk) 13:12, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Luis Fonsi, Sam Hunt, J Balvin, Maluma, Disclosure, Armin van Buuren, Hardwell and Stormzy

Can you clean up and fix Luis Fonsi, Sam Hunt, J Balvin, Maluma, Disclosure, Armin van Buuren, Hardwell and Stormzy pages if you can please. (24.41.228.188 (talk) 16:07, 9 August 2017 (UTC))

Harris "record"

Hi User:SnapSnap, on Calvin Harris where it says "Harris currently holds the record for the most top 10 songs from one studio album on the UK Singles Chart", I believe the record has since been broken by Ed Sheeran this year.--Theo Mandela (talk) 22:00, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

@Theo Mandela: You're right, I've updated the article to reflect that. Thanks. snapsnap ^(talk) 17:51, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Genres of Slide (Calvin Harris song)

Hi User:SnapSnap, can you tell me what these sources ([9], [10], [11],[12]) are calling "Slide" by Calvin Harris please? I don't know when a music writer's not specific enough for it to be certain that the genres named are specifically in reference to the song, but I know it has to be explicitly and directly called a genre though (not just "influenced" or "mixed").--Theo Mandela (talk) 23:21, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

@Theo Mandela: Fact calls the song nu-disco; Pitchfork calls it funk; Rolling Stone doesn't mention any genres; and Forbes says the production blends R&B and pop, but I'm afraid that's not specific enough. snapsnap ^(talk) 16:35, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

User:SnapSnap, if your sure Dombal is calling the song as a whole funk, not only Harris' part (and I can't tell), then can you edit the the article's infobox genre and composition section to represent the real genres and influences, if not then can you please show me here how to phrase it all properly please?--Theo Mandela (talk) 01:27, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

@Theo Mandela: On second thought, Pitchfork calls it funk after stating that "[t]hings start off breezy enough", so I reckon it's referring specifically to the song's beginning, not the song as a whole. Anyway, the article already has nu-disco as the main genre and lists funk, R&B, hip hop, and pop as elements. snapsnap ^(talk) 03:00, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

User:SnapSnap, please do edit Slide's composition section if you think any of it needs to be more specific, like how the song writing rather than production is pop. Funk Wav Bounces Vol. 1 used to have just post-disco as a genre, but then User:Jimmio78 added a load of other genres, I haven't got round to reviewing the sources, but I'm guessing a lot of them have to removed.--Theo Mandela (talk) 03:35, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

@Theo Mandela: Slide's composition section seems fine as it is. I've reviewed the sources for the album's genres, though. Most of the genres mentioned in those sources referred to the featured artists or elements/influences. snapsnap ^(talk) 17:45, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

Melodrama - Lorde

Hi, if you have a music week account, can you watch how much Lorde's Melodrama sold during its first week?

Pleaseee — Preceding unsigned comment added by Michaelapratt (talk • contribs) 09:45, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

@Michaelapratt: Done. snapsnap ^(talk) 19:23, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

Album genres

Hi User:SnapSnap, I looked but couldn't find where Paste explicitly calls Funk Wav Bounces Vol. 1 funk, which part was it please? Also Beautiful Thugger Girls has too many genres for the sources to have explicitly called them those, what do you think?--Theo Mandela (talk) 00:49, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

@Theo Mandela: Paste says "Funk Wav is a sun-soaked, chilled-out record steeped in funk and disco." I'll take a look at that other album. snapsnap ^(talk) 18:03, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

@SnapSnap: I'm quite sure Young Thug himself described his album as a "singing album", with crossovers into R&B, country music. When Paste said that, to me it wasn't clear enough and I thought it could mean it's influenced by funk and disco, but if not it should also say disco as genre.--Theo Mandela (talk) 18:08, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

@Theo Mandela: I have added disco to Funk Wav as well already, and have reviewed the Beautiful Thugger Girls genres. By the way, you don't need to link my username in my own talk page. snapsnap ^(talk) 23:40, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Jungle Rules

Hi SnapSnap, after Jungle Rules is released on Friday 14th, if you've got time, can you be on the lookout for genres from post-release reviews please, some of which might mention the genre of lead single "Unforgettable" also, cheers.--Theo Mandela (talk) 17:08, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

Something to Tell You

Hi, with your Music Week account, can you publish how the album Something to Tell You by Haim sold this week in UK? Thank you. Michaelapratt (talk) 20:36, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

Raskit genre

Hello User:SnapSnap, do you know if The Guardian ever explicitly calls Raskit grime here [13]? Because I can't quite figure it out.--Theo Mandela (talk) 18:14, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

@Theo Mandela: I don't think so, the review seems to refer mostly to Dizzee Rascal's impact on the early grime scene when mentioning the genre. snapsnap ^(talk) 20:56, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, will change the article accordingly then.--Theo Mandela (talk) 14:44, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

Sources

Hi User:SnapSnap, do you know if Capital XTRA are calling "On My Mind (Disciples song)" "soulful house", as in the genre, or soulful is simply an adjective describing the "house" ([14]), and if it's a reliable source?
Also; is this ([15]) a reliable source? Thanks--Theo Mandela (talk) 02:34, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

@Theo Mandela: I don't think soulful house is a genre, I'm pretty sure the source just means that it's a house song that is soulful. I'd say both sources are reliable. snapsnap ^(talk) 06:10, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

"Your Love"

Could you expand the "Your Love" song page please. Thank you. (24.41.228.188 (talk) 16:27, 9 August 2017 (UTC))

Happy Wiki-versary

Just noticed that today's the 11th anniversary of when you made this account. Enjoy the anniversary! Snuggums (talk / edits) 20:11, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

@SNUGGUMS: Oh wow, I had no idea it had been that long. Thanks! snapsnap ^(talk) 21:00, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Not a problem :) Snuggums (talk / edits) 21:17, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Harry Styles (album)

Hello, SnapSnap. Pop is redundant when Britpop has been already there. 115.164.179.252 (talk) 17:28, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

Hey Violet

You seem to have a long WikiPedia history. Do you know why the Hey Violet page keeps getting changed back to incorrect information? It seems very strange when correct information is available from the band itself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 45.47.37.248 (talk • contribs) 07:21, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

@45.47.37.248: Sadly this is something that happens quite often all over Wikipedia, to be honest—people replacing reliably sourced information with content they believe to be correct, but really isn't. snapsnap ^(talk) 14:58, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

Well this page is wrong and has been for years. when I try to change it, it gets changed back to what is shown today. The bands original name was Red Shadow from 2008-2009; Marianna Vartanyan was the original bassist from 2008-2009. The band has said this in the past, there are live videos and various pages that confirm it and citations were included when I edited it before. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 45.47.37.248 (talk • contribs) 16:39, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

@45.47.37.248: What sources did you use? Most sources I've seen state that Cherri Bomb formed in 2008. snapsnap ^(talk) 18:24, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

Here are some videos of them performing in 2008 and 2009: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A06AmufdKP0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5aX1zlvvDo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wBR8_RygYM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2nma2zq6c8

Here they are performing with Rena for the first time (as Red Shadow): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HT3iG6PDUk

Here is the first Cherri Bomb gig in 2009: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WfEGkPH_vI

This fan site, UltraViolet Underground, which used to be the Bomb Squad Street Team, ran an extensive history of Red Shadow/Cherri Bomb/Hey Violet in 2015-2016, which even got comments from Nia & Rena's dad, Kenny Enea: https://www.facebook.com/TheUltravioletUnderground/

This old fan site, which was party run by Miranda's friend Matthew Golden, included a band member's page: http://fyeahheyviolet.tumblr.com/members

Miranda Miller's Tumbler was the best source of Cherri Bomb & Hey Violet history for years, as she updated it all the time and answered questions. One question: http://dreamandfallintoreality.tumblr.com/post/26196827756/who-is-marianna-vartanyan

The band has talked about all of this in interviews over the years. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 45.47.37.248 (talk) 19:29, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

@45.47.37.248: The videos aren't reliable, nor do they prove the band's original name or year of formation. Fan pages aren't reliable, either. The best thing would be to provide independent, third-party sources. snapsnap ^(talk) 02:44, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

Well, clearly there is another bassist playing with them in 2008. It is obviously not Rena. Miranda's statements aren't reliable? Does any interview with the band talking about how Rena joined count? They have said it a number of times over the years, including this year. I can't be the only one that listens to Hey Violet interviews. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 45.47.37.248 (talk) 01:06, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

@45.47.37.248: Using the videos to state that the band originally had a different bassist would be original research. Maybe Miranda's Tumblr could be used as a source for Marianna Vartanyan being a former bassist, but it would also be nice to include additional information, such as how much time she stayed with the band. Do you know any Cherri Bomb/Hey Violet interviews that mention Marianna? Written interviews would be preferable. You should take a look at WP:INTERVIEW. snapsnap ^(talk) 03:01, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

There were definitely interviews that discussed the circumstances of Rena joining the band. I can search for them and see what I can re-discover. Most are probably audio and I haven't heard them in years (when they were closer to being new). I will also search for print interviews. Most of them are not very deep, but there are a few here and there which got into more detail. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.43.20.29 (talk) 18:26, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

@45.47.37.248: If you could find those interviews that would be great. snapsnap ^(talk) 18:17, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

Coldplay genres

Hi User:SnapSnap, can you tell me what genres NME calls Miracles (Someone Special) and Kaleidoscope EP please? Here [16] and here [17], they mention so many I can't work out which there explicitly calling the song in full, thanks.--Theo Mandela (talk) 00:41, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

@Theo Mandela: The first source mentions indie pop, but I think it's referring to the band's sound as a whole. The second one does describe "Miracles" as "slick electro funk". snapsnap ^(talk) 02:44, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

Got it, thanks.--Theo Mandela (talk) 02:46, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

Boogie

Hi SnapSnap, does The Guardian [18] and Pitchfork [19] explicitly call Funk Wav Bounces Vol. 1 boogie? And if so, do you think it should be added to infobox as a genre please? Thanks.--Theo Mandela (talk) 23:39, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

@Theo Mandela: The Guardian refers to boogie in a vague way, but Pitchfork calls it "an album of 1980s-inspired boogie", so I'll be adding it. snapsnap ^(talk) 03:39, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Places (song)

Hi User:SnapSnap, do you know if the music journalist on this Billboard source, [20], ever explicitly calls "Places" by Martin Solveig by any genre name (including house)? Cheers, --Theo Mandela (talk) 05:06, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
Also: do you know if the editor of this source [21] ever says that Panda (song) is grime-influenced please?--Theo Mandela (talk) 21:41, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

@Theo Mandela: Martin describes the song as "house music-oriented", which isn't the same as actually being house. Plus, genres are supposed to be verified by third-party, professional writers/sources, not the artists themselves. In the second source, it was the producer who stated that the song was influenced by UK grime, not the article's author. snapsnap ^(talk) 15:50, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing it up, I'll removed both sources.--Theo Mandela (talk) 21:40, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

UK charts

I think I have found the problem with the details of the Single chart template, this part of the code {{#tag:ref|"[http://www.officialcharts.com/artist/_/%7B%7B%7Bartist%7D%7D%7D is currently used to reference every single in the UK. I tried to amend one on the single I have mentioned on the talk page but can't due to the existing template which I can't edit. However I think the following should be placed after the tag:ref bit instead: http://www.officialcharts.com/charts/singles-chart/20100905/7501/ instead of http://"http://www.officialcharts.com/archive-chart/_/1/2010-09-11/ which probably requires some advanced thinking from experienced template editors. This part of the code can be found when you type in '(Official Charts Company)' in the "find bar" after ctrl+F result 9/10. Thanks, Iggy (talk) 21:36, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

@Iggy the Swan: Hi. Yeah, I had already figured out what was wrong with the UK single chart templates. I could perform the changes myself, but the problem is that the template is currently permanently protected, and that would require an administrator. I've placed the {{Edit template-protected}} template on the talk page in hopes that it gets an administrator's attention. snapsnap ^(talk) 15:50, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

Just in regards to this, thanks so much for figuring this out and fixing the issue that's been plaguing the UK charts for months. I had no idea how it could be fixed. Ss112 06:55, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Technical Barnstar
	For your work on the UK single chart templates! Ss112 06:56, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

@Ss112: No biggie. :) Thanks a lot for the barnstar! snapsnap ^(talk) 19:50, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

Luv Is Rage 2

An editor add a genre with a source here, but I don't know that source clearly says it's emo rap. What your opinion on it? TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 07:50, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

@TheAmazingPeanuts: I agree, especially since the review mentions "emo rap" in quotation marks. Plus, I think the author is seemingly referring to Lil Uzi Vert's music as a whole when he mentions "emo rap", rather than the album specifically. snapsnap ^(talk) 22:32, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

Your saying the genre is okay, since the source did mentions emo rap in quotation marks, right? TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 20:47, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

@TheAmazingPeanuts: No, I meant that the source doesn't clearly call the album emo rap. Mentioning it in quotation marks makes it seem like the author was being ironic. snapsnap ^(talk) 02:48, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

Okay, the source describes only Lil Uzi Vert's music as emo rap but not the album itself. Is that what you saying? TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 22:26, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

@TheAmazingPeanuts: Yes, at least from I could gather from the review. snapsnap ^(talk) 05:38, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

So the genre have no reason to be there if the source doesn't describe the album as emo rap. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 01:48, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

@TheAmazingPeanuts: Yes. snapsnap ^(talk) 16:45, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

I have removed it. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 14:17, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

Hlists versus flatlists

Hi. I've seen on several articles, you've used "cleanup" as an edit summary but are changing certain templates and features to suit, I'm assuming, your personal preference. Per MOS:HLIST, Template:Hlist and Template:Flatlist "differ only in the wiki-markup used to create the list." If an article has an established style of using flatlists, even though you think it may be saving on space to use an hlist, there's really no need to change them to hlists. Some editors prefer flatlists, and I don't think anybody believes changing this style falls under the category of "cleanup". I'm of the opinion we should respect the style (including of referencing, etc, per WP:RETAIN) that the first post-stub revision of the page used. Other editors may not have an issue with your choice of style, but changing it is arbitrary and unnecessary. Removing overlinking and updating template parameters and redundant publishers is fine, but I don't agree with your changing hlists to flatlists. Ss112 06:49, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

@Ss112: I don't see how this should be a major issue, to be honest. It may be "arbitrary" or "unnecessary", but it is harmful, though? Maybe changing flatlists to hlists don't qualify as "cleanup", but I don't see a point in singling out such a trivial change. snapsnap ^(talk) 02:50, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

I'm just informing you some users (not me, as you haven't done it on an article I've worked on/used such lists on) probably don't appreciate you changing aspects of an article they've worked on to suit your personal preference when nothing was wrong with it to begin with. I don't view much on Wikipedia as "harmful", but there are plenty of things that shouldn't be done if changing it doesn't make it any better. Sending you a message about it doesn't mean I view it as a "major issue"; I'm just letting you know. Ss112 03:23, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

@Ss112: I didn't mean necessarily you deemed it a major issue. No editors have brought it up to me yet. I mostly just change flatlists to hlists on articles I've worked extensively on (not saying I own them or anything, but still). Thanks for the heads-up, though. snapsnap ^(talk) 14:32, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

A quick question

An editor add an genre with a source in this article, do the source explicitly stated it's a pop album? TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 02:06, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

Feels (song)

Hi User:SnapSnap, basically a while back I sourced a genre to the article; "disco-funk", but seeing as it's a hyphenated genre — nothing more than two existing genres connected with a hyphen, lacking an article of it's own — is just contentious to include. I regret adding it knowing what I know now, but User:Ss112 is making it their mission to stop me from correcting my mistake. You can see the whole conversation on User:Life of Tau's talk page, they share my view, just wondered what you would do in this situation thanks.--Theo Mandela (talk) 19:21, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

@Theo Mandela: Um... Combining two existing genres into one that doesn't have an article of its own could possibly fall under WP:OR, but I'm not entirely sure, to be honest. There's disco funk, which currently redirects to disco. Maybe Andrzejbanas could help? snapsnap ^(talk) 05:14, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

I'll be sure to ask Andrzejbanas, thanks.--Theo Mandela (talk) 07:59, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

I figured I would reply to you both here, so SnapSnap and @Theo Mandela:, I do not believe there is any set rules written in stone here on Wikipedia, but the closest I can state is WP:STICKTOSOURCE, linking the hyphenated terms should probably not be used because it would not explain the sound to the user properly (for example, we would not link Pop punk as if it were Pop punk. As for disco funk linking to disco, I'm not sure it should either. There is no mention of "disco funk" and it might as well link to Boogie. I have had other re-directs deleted in the past for this reason. I know it may seem minor, but I think if there is no genre page we should not link to anything and trust our readers to make judgement for themselves based on the genres on what the song sounds like. Its not ideal, but unless this sub-sub-sub-genre gets its own page or sub-page, I would not link to anything for now. Andrzejbanas (talk) 12:39, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for looking into this @Andrzejbanas:, off the top of my head I'm aware of these song articles which use hyphenated genres with no article of their own:

• Symphony (Clean Bandit song)
• Don't Let Me Down (The Chainsmokers song)
• Bon Appétit (song)
• Feels (song)
• Slow Hands (Niall Horan song)
• Fetish (song)

Just to be clear are you saying the hyphenated genres should be removed if they don't have their own article or unlinked? Cheers.--Theo Mandela (talk) 13:28, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

hi! I wouldn't remove the genre if it's sourced, just remove the wiki link. :) Andrzejbanas (talk) 13:38, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

👍 I'll unlink the hyph-genres on articles above @Andrzejbanas:, but User:Ss112 will probably revert me. Theo (edits) 13:49, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

@Theo Mandela: You're right that I reverted, Theo, because I asked you to get consensus on the article talk page, and you refused, instead asking another user on their talk page. The note on "Slow Hands" says "discuss before changing or removing"; you didn't. User talk pages are not the place to get consensus (WP:CONSENSUS). I thought you were over this already, but no, you need to get your way somehow and you ask somebody their opinion then treat their word as if it's gospel. Andrzejbanas said "I wouldn't link to that". That sounds like personal practice, not "let's go around and systematically unlink every hyphenated genre we can find." Open a discussion on the relevant talk page(s) or you will find yourself reported, because this has gone on long enough. The editors of those pages have accepted those genres as being fine for being sourced, and linked as is. I don't think we need to have a genre page for every hyphenated combo we could possibly think of, because in most cases it does just mean a combination of those sounds. I find it silly that we would unlink genres because they are basically always linked and not having a few linked sticks out and is odd. Honestly, open a discussion on the article talk page, or get over it. Ss112 14:42, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

Ellie Goulding Template

Are you sure she wasn't in the Inbetweeners? 83.136.45.22 (talk) 18:36, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

@83.136.45.22: How many times do I have to tell you? Yes, I'm 100% positive that Ellie has never appeared on the show. She's not an actress, and her name isn't even mentioned anywhere in the article for The Inbetweeners. Going back through the template's history, I found an edit dating back to early 2013 (here) where an IP user (I'm assuming it was you) claimed that Ellie played Charlotte Hinchcliffe on the show. Except that character was played by Emily Atack, not Ellie. I hope that settles this discussion for good. snapsnap ^(talk) 23:43, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

Joanne (album)

Can you help out with reducing fancruft this article? Its US sales keep getting inflated and I don't know how much more I can take on my own. Snuggums (talk / edits) 03:50, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

I'm Not Alone's genre

Hi User:SnapSnap, do you know if NME explicitly call "I'm Not Alone" by any genre here [22] please? It mentions trance and some hyphenated genre I don't like using, just can't tell if it's definitively being called it, cheers. Theo (edits) 01:00, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

@Theo Mandela: I don't think a "melding of singer-songwriter introspection and [...] ridiculously euphoric chart trance" is precise enough to call it a trance song. snapsnap ^(talk) 16:06, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Ah well, thanks anyway. Theo (edits) 03:11, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Faking It art

Hi User:SnapSnap, can you upload the artwork for Faking It (song) please? Here's what it looks like [23], cheers. Theo (edits) 20:23, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

@Theo Mandela:  Done. You can upload it yourself as well, though, using the upload form. snapsnap ^(talk) 20:52, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

Downtempo

Hi User:SnapSnap, here [24] Pitchfork calls "Faking It" downtempo, can this be added to the infobox as a genre. Also, how should I phrase it in the composition section please? Ta, Theo (edits) 12:59, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

@Theo Mandela: I'm pretty sure the review isn't referring to the downtempo genre, but rather to the fact that the song has a slow tempo. snapsnap ^(talk) 19:05, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

Ok, can you add downtempo to composition section with ref, or tell me how to phrase it here please? Thanks Theo (edits) 22:24, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

Blonde (Frank Ocean album)

An editor add this genre with a source here, but I don't know the source explicitly stated it's indie rock, what your opinion on it? TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 02:05, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

@TheAmazingPeanuts: When it comes to situations in which a source mentions more than one genre in the same sentence, I'm never really sure when it's acceptable to use said sources to support genres. That particular source mentions other genres as well (electronica, pop, hip-hop, and soul/R&B). Adding only indie rock out of those to the article is WP:CHERRYPICKING, so either include all genres mentioned or none of them. snapsnap ^(talk) 18:36, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

So you saying if the other genres are mentioned in the source, they should be added too, right? TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 14:45, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

@TheAmazingPeanuts: Yes. snapsnap ^(talk) 03:34, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

I add these genres like you said with this edit, what do you think of it? TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 22:26, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

@TheAmazingPeanuts: Sounds good to me. snapsnap ^(talk) 15:12, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

So the genres I added from the source are okay, right? TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 23:00, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

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Lemon

Hi User:SnapSnap, can you add artwork for Lemon (N.E.R.D and Rihanna song) please? Cheers, Theo (edits) 04:07, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

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My edit to 18 Months

To be clear, the reason I edited the article for the album 18 Months is so that the track listing can match that of the iTunes release of the album, considering it's the most popular music store, so that the viewer can know that it doesn't have any discrepancies in the listing. MindsEyeTHPS (talk) 03:43, 1 December 2017 (UTC) MindsEyeTHPS (talk) 03:43, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

Bolding

Hey, just letting you know: I saw your edit to Young, Fresh n' New where you changed bold markup to asterisks and semicolons to bold. Semicolons should not be used to bold for anything other than simple description lists per WP:PSEUDOHEAD. Bold markup is also preferred for screen readers, so it can be a bit of an WP:ACCESS issue too. Thanks. Ss112

This Is What You Came For

Hi, in the "critical reception" section, an NME ref says "As it builds to a climax, he pulls it right back, eschewing the EDM drop in favour of voguish and mellow tropical house." (maybe should be in the "composition" section) Listening to the song's instrumental (here [25]) it sounds a lot like tropical house (also called here [26]), to me anyway, and can it be added to infobox? Cheers. Theo (edits) 19:46, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

@Theo Mandela: The sentence doesn't seem to describe the entire song as tropical house, only partially. Rate Your Music is not reliable because it's user-generated. snapsnap ^(talk) 21:52, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

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Butterfly Effect (Travis Scott song)

Hi SnapSnap, do you think here [27] Rolling Stone call "Butterfly Effect" by any genre? It uses rap (hip hop) and Southern hip hop by name when it says "nodding to the lolling pace of rap from the epicenter of Southern hip-hop. "A lot of those songs are made at such a slow tempo that you could dance to them at that tempo or at double time," he explains. "So it could be 150 bpm or half of it, which is 75." His analysis indicates that the portion of Atlanta-esque songs in Spotify's Top 25 has increased from just eight percent in 2012 to 46 percent this year. Recent examples include Kendrick Lamar's "Humble," 21 Savage's "Bank Account" and Travis Scott's "Butterfly Effect.""
Also: could you add artwork for "Boa Me" article please? Theo (edits) 03:49, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

@Theo Mandela: None of those songs appear to be directly described as rap or Southern hip hop. snapsnap ^(talk) 16:31, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

Alright, thanks for adding artwork. Btw, do you think that I can source this [28] for genres for The Walking Dead (video game series) infobox, if so do you know what video game genres episodic · horror link to? Theo (edits) 02:05, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

Actually don't worry about what I asked above, just found out on Wikipedia video game genres are gameplay, not narrative. Though a "horror" story, it is not a (survival) horror video game. Theo (edits) 05:02, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

@Theo Mandela: Alright. I'm not really familiar with video game genres, to be honest. snapsnap ^(talk) 22:54, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

I Like It When You Sleep... - vague pop genre

It seems redundant for 'pop'. Can you reach its consensus first? 115.164.72.223 (talk) 18:29, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

American Teen and Khalid

Hi SnapSnap, do you know what genres these sources [29], [30] are calling American Teen, and Khalid, separately please? Cheers, Theo (edits) 04:25, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

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Release date of Something in the way you move

It seems we have a disagreement about the release date of 'Something in the way you move' by Ellie Goulding. You enforce a date in January 2016, based on the date the song was 'serviced to US radio stations'. I believe this to be an outdated criterion in this time of online download and streaming services. There is a fundamental discussion to be had about what the concept of a 'single' even means in the current music marketplace. But staying away from that for now, please refer to the first paragraph of the very first article that is being referenced for this lemma. It clearly states a 'release date' of October 9, 2015 (the date I specified before). Fact is that this song was marketed as a single from that date onward. The 'servicing' to US radio stations may have occurred later, but that simply means the marketing effort got another boost in that specific market. As another source of reference, the song first charted in the UK on October 22, 2015, several months BEFORE you say it was 'released' (but a realistic few weeks after the release date mentioned in the referenced article). Tomdejong14 (talk) 22:22, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

@Tomdejong14: Like I said in my edit summary, chart eligibility does not determine a single release; a song can chart without being released as a single. The single infobox should contain the date for when the song was released as a single, not just any date of the song's availability. The October 9, 2015 release date refers to a promotional release, when the song was released as an "instant grat" on iTunes, not the official single release. In this particular case, the song didn't officially become a single until it was sent to US mainstream radio. snapsnap ^(talk) 01:44, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

Well, User:SnapSnap, my time is too valuable to start a discussion I won't win. Not because I'm wrong, but because you'll revert any change I make anyway. As someone who has made hundreds of improvements to pages for songs and albums, I have realized the traditional concept of a 'single' has lost its meaning. By your definition, thousands of 'singles' should be removed from Wikipedia, because they were *never* released in any other way than together with the album they were a part of. More and more artists just put their album online and let the public decide which songs become hits. In this specific case though, as this article specifies (http://www.mtv.com/news/2345654/ellie-goulding-something-in-the-way-you-move/), there *was* an actual release on the date I mentioned (after the release of the album). I sincerely believe Wikipedia users expect the release date of a song to mean when that song was available separately from the album it was contained in. In the traditional world, that was clearly the date a physical single was released. In the new music market, there are no physical singles and I think chart eligibility is a much clearer concept. Seeing a date that is months after the *only* time the song charted in its home market, will make the release date lose its value. Have a nice day.Tomdejong14 (talk) 01:00, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

More Life

Would you be willing to weigh in this discussion regarding the infobox should keep "playlist" instead of mixtape. Only if you interested. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 18:02, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

Fair Use File Uploads

Hello SnapSnap Thanks for all the album art you have been uploading, however as a reminder please add " |image has rationale=yes " within the licensing template if you have included a fair use rationale. Happy Editing and once again thanks for all the uploads --Cameron₁₁₅₉₈ ^(Talk) 06:39, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

@Cameron11598: No problems. I thought that was just for patrollers and administrators, but I'll keep in mind to do that from now on. snapsnap ^(talk) 21:08, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

Normally I wouldn't hint at it but it seems as though you are quite competent with the fair use image guidelines keep up the good work --Cameron₁₁₅₉₈ ^(Talk) 00:44, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

I stand corrected it is supposed to be patrollers. My mistake sorry! --Cameron₁₁₅₉₈ ^(Talk) 02:45, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

@Cameron11598: No biggie. Thanks for the kind words, though. :) snapsnap ^(talk) 06:32, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

Man's Not Hot (Christmas Edition)

Hi User:SnapSnap, can you get coverart for Man's Not Hot (Christmas Edition) in the alternative cover template please? I tried but the file got deleted. Theo (edits) 07:49, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

@Theo Mandela: I'm afraid the alternative cover fails WP:NFCCP as it doesn't differ heavily from the main cover. snapsnap ^(talk) 17:37, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for telling me and happy new year! Theo (edits) 03:08, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

@Theo Mandela: Thanks! Happy New Year to you too. :) snapsnap ^(talk) 17:03, 31 December 2017 (UTC)