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Mexican Drug War

While the Mérida Initiative itself is part of the War on Drugs, the overall armed conflict is not- the "War on Drugs" is not an umbrella term for every drug-related conflict, it specifically refers to US efforts.

In a narrow sense, it's more accurate to say "the War on Drugs is part of the Mexican Drug War" than "the Mexican Drug War is part of the War on Drugs". Regards, Swarm ^X 19:36, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

As we can see on the M16 rifle article the M16, AR-15 and the M4 are part of the "same family"; so i think we should follow the example of the "AK-47 style" picture and either remove the picture of the M4 or the picture of the ar-15, leaving only one picture and refering to it as "m16 style" rifles (in the description). i think tha beacuse in the opssite case we could be able to saturate the article with pictures of all this guns: http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/AK-47#Variants — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.160.241.122 (talk) 05:45, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Gulf Cartel

Thanks! I saw you corrected some things on my work. Thanks to you as well. I'm new here but I do what I can. Thanks for the thumbs up!

Alright, it's good to know there's an article like that. There's shootings and news basically everyday reported on TV Milenio and then posted on Youtube. I'll keep it minimum, by just posting the 'big' news. Thanks for telling me, I appreciate it. Let me know if anything comes up.— Preceding unsigned comment added by ComputerJA (talk • contribs) 21:48, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Hey, I have a question. After I finish cleaning up the Gulf Cartel article in the next month or so, I was thinking of putting my time on Los Zetas article. Do you think it is appropiate to copy certains sections from the Gulf Cartel page, like the rupture from Los Zetas, for example? The info is basically applicable for both. What do you think? Thanks! ComputerJA (talk) 19:46, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Your {{Reqdiagram}} request for Mexican Air Force

I have moved this request to the talk page. Mark Hurd (talk) 06:32, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Cosmic radiation as destruction mechanism for Martian methane

Hi. I noted you added a reference to cosmic radiation breaking down methane here. Cosmic radiation (massive particles) are a seperate phenomenon from ultraviolet radiation (massless photons), and as far as I can tell there is no mention of the former playing a role in breaking down methane in the sources given.--109.205.169.38 (talk) 09:45, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Timeline of the Mexican Drug War

Hey, I wanted to know what you think about the massacre of May 16, 2011 in Guatemala from Los Zetas, where 27 people were killed. Do you think it should be included on the timeline? ComputerJA (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:45, 15 August 2011 (UTC).

Mexican Breakfast

I am here writing to you because you reverted my post. Why so? Isn't chorizo with Eggs Mexican breakfast? Isn't Chorizo Mexican? Please let me know WHY you deleted my post. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.172.76.170 (talk) 00:40, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Knights Templar Cartel

Oh its you again who deleted my post. Hmm? Why so? The page is basically empty? Might as well expand it to know who are the current leaders, the most wanted, and those who have been arrested? is this not important? I call that page a stub. Also you deleted the banner -- THE BANNER -- these people posted on March 9th of this year in Morelia, Michoacan. Isn't that the day they started to become famous? Isn't that the day these people were not on the PFP list? Please let me know again why you deleted this post because I took the time to translate it. 76.172.76.170 (talk)you —Preceding undated comment added 00:54, 22 August 2011 (UTC).

I deleted your entry because it makes abolutely no sense, it barely resembles English language, the format is inexistent, and you quoted no reference(s). Please read Wikipedia:Tutorial before proceding. Cheers, BatteryIncluded (talk) 14:15, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

I'll talk to you in Spanish because you have reverted stuff that deals with Mexico, so I can righteously assume you have to speak Spanish. La lona que te digo es esta. El dominio de esta foto es publico porque ha sido reproducida en varias paginas de internet. La Lona

Es chistoso, que tengo que usar otras referencias para poner información muy obvia. Que apoco tengo que usar un libro de ciencias para decir que el sol esta caliente, aunque no lo he tocado?? Según tu explicación, eso me dio entender. Mira yo lo que quiero es poner la informacion. Por que la mera verdad si nadie va ponerla pues me decidi que yo lo iva hacer.

Bueno, este reportaje lo vi en la tele y en varios noticieros. Asi que no creo que importe cual use. Yo use Proceso nomas para demostrarte que no soy un mentiroso. Pero si no me crees, tu sugiero que consultes mas información en algun otro lado, ya que no me dejaste hacerlo. Si uno deveras se mete al Blog Del Narco o las noticias, no me cuestionara a mi. Si e sque, claro, usted es Mexicano. Sr. Batería incluida. Y para concluir, le quiero hacer una pregunta addicional, entonces tu crees que el CHORIZO con HUEVO NO ES MEXICANO? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.172.76.170 (talk) 23:24, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Haz el tutorial de Wikipedia y luego hablamos. OK? BatteryIncluded (talk) 02:33, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Ise el tutorial desde el 2006. En mi cuenta hise mas de 700 ediciones, pero lo que pasa que aveces me gusta permanecer anonim@. Creo que tengo todo el derecho de hacerlo. 76.172.76.170 (talk) 03:39, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Referencing Drug Lord Page in a Book

Hi BatteryIncluded,

I am an editor writing on behalf of my client, who is writing a memoir-fiction novel and referencing different drug lords in this article. Since you did a lot of major edits on this piece, would you be willing to represent the Wikipedia authors who worked on this article in order to give authorization to the publisher? The following below is where she cites:

This political crime was the beginning of a series of assassinations that intensified the violent culture where the guerrillas, paramilitaries, politicians, drug dealers, and government employees were part of a complex web of interests, intimidation and violence as a way for the groups to each get what they wanted. This cultural behavior grew stronger until it became.a practice without limits. There was no law or a structured system of justice to put a stop to conduct like this and that was imperative that the National Constitution should be amended. However, these changes would prove impossible because the changes would still include the extradition of drug dealers to the USA but had no system to stop the escalated violence.

The drug cartels had more power than people realized. Many leaders of the cartels could do whatever they wanted because they had an immense amount of wealth and notoriety. Pablo Escobar, the head of the Medellin drug cartel for example, was not just anybody. He was often called “The World's Greatest Outlaw(viii),” He is known as one of the most notorious cocaine traffickers and is one of richest and most successful criminals in world history: “In 1989, Forbes magazine declared Escobar as the seventh richest man in the world, with an estimated personal fortune of $25 billion (US dollars). He owned innumerable luxury residences and automobiles and, in 1986, he attempted to enter Colombian politics, even offering to pay off the nation's $10 billion (US dollars) national debt”(ix).

viii. Wikipedia contributors, "Drug lord," Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia, http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Drug_lord. (accessed July 24, 2011).

ix. Wikipedia contributors, "Drug lord," Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia, http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Drug_lord. (accessed July 24, 2011).

Let me know if there should be any changes. Also would you be willing to sign a document stating that you give authorization and represent Wikipedia? Thanks. Selfawareness (talk) 19:19, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Kiki Camarena

http://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Enrique_Camarena&diff=next&oldid=437172618

His nickname IS "Kiki" - I suspect the guy who put in "Kike" was vandalizing... WhisperToMe (talk) 23:42, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Separate article on Directed Panspermia

Dear Batteryincluded: Given your interests in space, including panspermia, I wish to ask for your comments on a proposed Wikipedia article. Please read the reasons for this request, and please comment, at Talk:Panspermia, section “Separate Article on Directed Panspermia”. The seeding of new solar systems with life may be achieved with current technologies in this century, with major consequences for the future. This requires informed public discourse. I hope that you will agree that a dedicated Wikipedia article can contribute significantly. Please read the submitted article at User:AbrahamDavidson/Directed panspermia. Your comments will be sincerely appreciated. AbrahamDavidson (talk) 04:14, 5 September 2011 (UTC)AbrahamDavidson

Hello BatteryIncluded - Hope You're Doing Well - Would *Greatly* Appreciate Your Comments Re The Directed Panspermia (draft) Article - "Deleted" In Feb 2011 (?) - Seems *Very, Very* Similar To The Material We Were Discussing (And Seeking?) In the "Forward-contamination" Section On The Astrobiology Discussion Page - Other Related Links Include Talk:Panspermia#Separate_Article_on_Directed_Panspermia, Talk:Forward-contamination ("Directed panspermia (draft)" Section), User_talk:Drbogdan#Directed_Panspermia and User_talk:RHaworth#Deletion_of_directed_panspermia - In Any Case - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 14:31, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Hello guys. Yes I am interested. However, I am currently travelling in south america for a whole month and am very busy to research the topic. I'll join you when I settle down. Thank you for your consideratrion. BatteryIncluded (talk) 21:32, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Hello BatteryIncluded - Thank You *Very* Much For Your Reply - I *Completely* Understand (I've had similar moments) - Might Hold Off On This Until You're Able To Have A Look-See - Seems Like An Interesting Development - Have A Great (and safe) Time - And See You When You're Next Available - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 22:07, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Please, do not wait for me!! I'll crash your party whenever I am able to. ;-) BatteryIncluded (talk) 23:41, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

OK - I May Have Some Busy Times Here Also - Nonetheless, At The Moment, I'm Trying To Locate The "MAIN" Discussion Area For This On The Panspermia Talk Page - There May Be Other Editors Who Might Like To Join In On The Fun As Well - We'll See - In Any Regards - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 18:27, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Nomination of Sanchez Arellano Cartel for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Sanchez Arellano Cartel is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sanchez Arellano Cartel until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article.. - DonCalo (talk) 18:02, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Gunwalking scandal

Hey, I hope you're doing fine! I wanted to get in touch with you to let you know that there's a straw poll at Talk:Operation Fast and Furious concerning the proposal to merge the "O.F.F." article into ATF gunwalking scandal. Please feel free to give a short or elaborated opinion on this. And if possible, please inform other editors who've previously indicated an interest. Thanks, buddy. ComputerJA (talk) 19:55, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Dionicio Loya Plancarte

Hi. I am writing to you as the creator of this article. Since you created the article in 2010 stating that Dionisio had been captured in 2009, I am wondering what you make of THESE edits, where it appears to indicate that Dionisio was released within about 1 year or so after his capture. Are these newer sources reliable? If they are not, did you have reliable sources yourself back when you created the article? Based on these is how we could then update List of Mexico's 37 most-wanted drug lords. What's your opinion? Thanks. Mercy11 (talk) 00:20, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Creating a disambiguation page

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Hello. I have bad health lately and can't spend much time at the computer; I found out that the article Enrique Camarena needs a disambiguation page created and proper redirect(s), but I don't know how to do that. Could someone please fix that for me/us? Thank you. BatteryIncluded (talk) 17:08, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

It's pretty simple. Disambiguation pages are normal articles, tagged with the {{disambig}} template. Unfortunately in this case, the old page was copy+pasted instead of moved using the software. I will fix that now. Regards So Why 17:59, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Hey

BI, I might be out for some time. I just got back to my hometown and I'm working on a book about the history of the city. Also, I might be making some travels here and there, so I will probably not be able to supervise the articles I was previously working to expand. You've been doing a good job looking at them, so thank you!

But I bought the books Mexico: Narco-Violence and a Failed State? by George W. Grayson, Cartel: The Coming Invasion of Mexico's Drug Wars by Sylvia Longmire, and El Narco: Inside Mexico's Criminal Insurgency by Ioan Grillo just a couple of weeks ago, and I plan to read them all eventually and then work on the articles here on Wiki on my free time. I heard the books are really informative and interesting. I suggest you to read them if you can, too!

Anyways, just letting you know that I will be out for about a month (although I might appear every now and then to make some small edits). Keep up the good work and don't forget that you can still message me if you need anything. Thanks for your time and hope you're feeling well! ComputerJA (talk) 00:39, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

deleted entry in gulf cartel

I saw you deleted one of my entries in the Gulf Cartel section, where i mentioned that the cartel was founded in the 20s. Is it okay to at least change the "years active"? it was founded in the 70s (i'll take that from you), but shouldn't it mention in the box that it has been ACTIVE since the 20s? ty 161.32.60.221 (talk) 20:36, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

My understanding is that the narcotrafic started in the 1920s, but not by the Gulf Cartel as it did not exist yet. It was founded in the 1970s. BatteryIncluded (talk) 03:04, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

my understanding is that the organization has been active since the 1920s and it should therefore me added as being "active" since then. In essence, the name means nothing. What matters is whether they were active or not in the 20s, and they were. They might have changed their focus from smuggling licor to trafficking drugs, but the organization was continuous and technically the same thing. 161.32.60.64 (talk) 18:38, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

In the 1920s there was no Gulf cartel. In fact, there were no cartels, only free-lancers. BatteryIncluded (talk) 06:11, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

TiME

Hi, I had to undo that addition for the reason stated in the edit summary. Nice article though. Cheers - DVdm (talk) 16:39, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Disbanded?

I am writing to you because you seem to have a pretty fair understanding of Mexico's drug cartels (history, reach, etc etc). Question: Which (if any) of the Mexican cartels floating around Wikipedia are considered disbanded? And I mean, do we have reliable citations for that?

Seems some of this may be a "judgement call" (read: WP:OR). Some editors are crying disbanded while others are saying no. I don't care who is right and who is wrong, but the citations have to reflect what the article is claiming and I know you will agree with on this. I trust your knowlege in this area because I have noticed you have been consistently more correct in your cartels' edits that the other editors (ComputerJA also seems fairly good source but he is newer around here), and certainly your knowledge is greater than mine as cartels are not my greatest forte!

This disbanded/not disbanded has some rather minor (as well as obviously major!) repreccussions such as this one HERE where I don't know if it was disbanded or not, but I do know that if it was disbanded, then the spelling is wrong (controls -> controlled)! Off the top of my head, I think besides Juarez I have seen maybe the La Familia Michoacana and the Beltran Leyva cartel articles with claims back and forth they were disbanded.

Your feedback/thoughts are appreciated! Regards, Mercy11 (talk) 14:36, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Hello and thank you for your continued partnership in updating the related articles. I also have noticed your knowledgable and sober edits in this topic. My short answer is: I am not sure what is the federal government version on the status of the Juarez Cartel, but they have declared the Beltran-Leyva and La Familia Cartels "disbanded" (in spanish they actually used the word "extinct"). Would you want me to dig out the references? Cheers, BatteryIncluded (talk) 19:50, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

I think a couple of references would be useful, though frankly I don't plan any challenges on this for probably the next week or so as I will be away from my PC most of the time. Regards, Mercy11 (talk) 20:50, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

You are probably doing so already, but it woul be good to continue monitoring the talk pages of La Familia Michoacana and the Beltrán-Leyva Cartel. I think this disbandment subject needs a wp:consensus, which so far does not appear hard to reach. Regards, Mercy11 (talk) 22:53, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Hello. Yes it needs to be addressed. I monitor several articles depending on my mood - mostly science- and the Mexican Drug War is one that needs an extra effort from my part in order to do an acceptable job. I will get on it as soon as I can. Cheers, BatteryIncluded (talk) 17:27, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Lazcano

Hello BatteryIncluded. In RE to THIS edit from you, I initially felt the way you edit, and hesitated both ways for a while. However, finally inched a bit towards adding the "death" info for 3 reasons, (1) The statements were made in reliable sources, (2) it was proven (or at least especulated) to be wrong by another reliable source, (3) there may be people who after a Google, etc, search -- and without reading any deeper -- may conclude the man is dead and thus one of the 21 caught/killed by the authorities.

In one sentence, I felt it was important to state authorities believe Lazcano is still alive, for the same reason that other articles have things like -- forgive the crude analogy -- the earth has been proven not to be flat. Of course, you may feel otherwise so feel free to revert me now that I have explained my position. Or maybe what you meant is that the death issue can be re-written/presented differently. Either way, I would be happy to hear your thoughts.

Regards, Mercy11 (talk) 20:11, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Hello. My thought was only to comply with the policy against including rumors (WP:NEWSORG). But since you have given considerable thought to it, I am happy to see that section in his biography. Thank you again for your partnership in this project. Cheers, BatteryIncluded (talk) 23:49, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Logan Heights

Hey Battery, I noticed your edit to the Mexican Drug War page about Logan Heights. I know they are primarily a California gang, but isn't it fairly established now that they are regularly recruited by the Tijuana Cartel to do hits, both in Mexico and the US? I guess you could say they are part of the cartel at that point, but for instance David Barron Corona was a Logan Heights gang member who became enforcer for TJ cartel and recruited other Logan Height's members for the role, but he was still separately a LH and Mexican Mafia member in addition to working for TJ. Anyways, just was wondering what you think of this. Keep up the good work on all the Mexican drug war/drug cartel articles, you're one of the few people I've seen regularly editing the articles for a while now. jlcoving (talk) 02:36, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Hello. I too thank you for working on and expanding these articles and cleaning the persistant vandalism. You have been at it for a long time and you are quite knowledgable in the subject. After a few years of updating the related articles, I am sure you too noticed that keeping track of the (real) cartel alliances/rivals is difficult. And when the "Allies/Rivals" lines in the infobox get cluttered with the names of hired gangs, the critical key info on cartel alliances gets lost in a bunch of secondary information. In the past, I proposed instead to the interested editors to create a section in the article to write about the hired gangs.

Being that that you have given this some thought, I am be happy to dscuss some changes to this. Here are a few proposals:

1) If the hired gang is not even mentioned in the main body of the article, then it is obviously not noteworty to insert them in the "Allies/Rivals" infobox.

2) If you feel that including the name of hired gangs is necessary, how about entering the info like this?:

Allies: X, Y, Z Enforcers A, B, C

Have a nice weekend, BatteryIncluded (talk) 13:57, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Tool

Thanks for the lead and tip. I am going to check it out. I knew there had to be a better way than repeating the same thing over and over for ever! Good day! Mercy11 (talk) 15:11, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Planetary exploration timelines

Your inclusion of the Roscosmos logo instead of the Russian flag in the Timeline section of the Exploration of Mars article seems to me a good idea. Would you agree to replace flags with space agencies logos in the timeline sections of Exploration of the Moon and Observations and explorations of Venus articles? Tom Paine (talk) 14:01, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I agree. I remember some time ago when I used to use the EU flag instead of the ESA flag...and I was corrected swiftly by other eitor(s). Thank you for the message and please go ahead with the changes. Cheers, BatteryIncluded (talk) 14:24, 20 March 2012 (UTC)