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Bread & Roses Notes

From The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance: "When the legend becomes fact, print the legend." The scholarly article I'm reading, Jim Zwick assumes that, now that the truth has been printed that the Lawrence strike was, in fact, not the inspiration for the poem, its popularity will fade. I disagree.

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Douglass article

Just the need for a citation for such a bold overarching statement. Please respond if you need to on the article talk page. Celestechang (talk) 22:40, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

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Maggie Lettvin

Notability is not inherited. I don't believe Maggie Lettvin meets our notability requirements for biographies. If you disagree, please provide the required multiple third-party reliable sources. Open Library is not a reliable source. We need media coverage (newspaper articles, magazine articles, etc.) Yworo (talk) 18:46, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Maggie was a celebrity on her own right in Boston, independent of her husband.

I'm at work now, so I can't fix this until later today or tomorrow. She is mentioned in a Sports Illustrated article. Would a list of books she's authored (from Amazon.com) be reliable? Bloody Viking (talk) 19:50, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

No, and a list of books doesn't establish notability in any case. If she is merely mentioned in Sports Illustrated, that's not really sufficient either. Do read WP:BIO. Not all authors are automatically notable: see WP:AUTHOR for the specific details. Books themselves aren't notable unless they have multiple independent reviews.

To establish that a book exists, all that is required is the ISBN. We don't generally link to Amazon or any other book site, but rather just provide the publication data in a Bibliography section, once the notability of the subject herself is established. Most book sites like Amazon are commercial and sell the books and we can't promote one over the other. Therefore the ISBNs automatically become links that allow one to visit multiple sites all from the same page, to prevent such promotion. Yworo (talk) 19:57, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice. This will be useful on more important articles as well, whether the Maggie article stands or not. Perhaps you can give me some advice on a related topic: "Things that happened BW (Before the Web)". Maggie's notability is an example (the WGBH archives only mention her once, though her show was big for them in the '70s). A more important example is the lack of information about life in the Soviet Union. There was a great series of articles in the New York Times in 1967 in honor of the 50th anniversary of the Russian Revolution. They went into depth on life in the USSR. Unfortunately, they are available only to subscribers. I wish Wikipedia could make this kind of info available to everyone. But how?

Bloody Viking (talk) 21:09, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Hey, no problem, glad to be helpful. I typically help improve the article in minor details and formatting (Wikignoming) while the question of notability is pending. As to the 1967 NYT, there is no requirement that the content be available online or to everyone: if you've got access either to paper copies or are a subscriber, you can still cite the material. While generally-accessible content is preferred if available, there is no restriction against linking to reliable sites that require registration or even payment. You can even link to the subscriber-only content, I've seen "(login required)" after the external link for such cases (not sure if there is a formal way to specify that. Check out WP:CITE and the news citation template which my give you some ideas on how to cite info not accessible online. Yworo (talk) 21:18, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for finding the SI reference. I've removed the notability tag, but I recommend that you try to find at least one or two more references as other editors may be more demanding of multiple sources than myself. Yworo (talk) 13:37, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

commune

Paul, I am curious as to why you changed the lead for commune. What did the previous revision lack? It more closely adheres to dictionary definitions of what a commune is. --Campoftheamericas (talk) 00:19, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Well, first of all, dictionary definitions reflect current usage, and are descriptive, not prescriptive (see this recent NYTimes article on use of dictionaries by the Supreme Court: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/14/us/14bar.html?scp=1&sq=supreme%20court%20dictionary&st=cse).

The term "commune" is very general, and has, in my lifetime, included lots of casual collections of people who were not intentionally creating community. At Twin Oaks, we chose the phrase "intentional community" to try to clarify the distinctions and also to distance ourselves from both Soviet Communism and cults. A commune is not necessarily intentional, and an intentional community need not be a commune (unless you want to adhere to the specific use of "intentional community" as it is used by the FIC). Bloody Viking (talk) 14:55, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

I think the FIC and dictionaries would overrule the U.S. government. However, I'm going to go read the link you've given me. --Campoftheamericas (talk) 01:44, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Dictionaries provide a description of a language in general use. To say that dictionaries aren't relevant to the definition of a word I think would insult a lexicographer. I understand commune has a negative connotation, but that is all that it is: an undeserved negative connotation. You may go to other countries were the word commune has a positive connotation. Twin Oaks members share income, share land, share food. That's communal living, but you can say it's an intentional community because IC includes communes. I would be interested to see what some other encyclopedia say about the nature of a commune. --Campoftheamericas (talk) 02:13, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

I wasn't suggesting that U.S. govt. definitions rule. The article points out that the Supreme Court is trying to use dictionaries in a way that most (including OED and Webster's Third) were never intended to be used.

I wish the term commune was better thought of in the U.S. I find myself on the defensive (even with my wife) as to the good that communes bring to the world. For the purpose of Wikipedia, I want the articles on communes and intentional communities to be well-rounded, not from a single POV, but emphasizing that they are (mostly) positive experiments of people who want better lives for themselves and a better world for all. Bloody Viking (talk) 14:30, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

I read the article, believe it or not :-). I think the lead should be similar to other encyclopedias and dictionaries, but I don't think there's anything wrong with expanding the section on modern communes. I wouldn't object to expanding the lead as well. Anyway, I'm not authority here. --Campoftheamericas (talk) 15:13, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Templates for translation problems

Hi Paul,

In general, when you need a template, take a look at WP:TEMP. I looked under the "Cleanup" section and towards the bottom found a link for Translations. Looks like the template you need is Template:Cleanup-translation. Hope this helps. Yworo (talk) 20:37, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! That looks like it does the trick. Bloody Viking (talk) 12:56, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Buck buck

I reverted your addition of a mention of a documentary at Buck buck with this edit. I do think this documentary could be an RS used as a reference, but it should be supporting some fact about the game. Perhaps you could add a sentence with a new fact and use the documentary as the source. Novaseminary (talk) 03:03, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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	Nice to meet one of the good guys! :) ds 18:39, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Eggcorn

Hello, Paulmlieberman. You recently added a section to the page Eggcorn discussing the relationship between duck tape and duct tape. That pair of phrases has been discussed at Talk:Eggcorn#Debate / defend / reject / submit examples here, but as yet I see no consensus to add it or other examples. Your comments on the talk page would be most welcome. Happy editing, Cnilep (talk) 00:04, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

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National Statuary Hall Collection

First, the Washington Post article you cited only references the placement of Frederick Douglass' statue in Emancipation Hall; it does NOT specifically say that statue is part of the Collection (though it suggests it may have been intended as such). More importantly, however, the list on the AOC website does NOT include him. If you click "LOAD MORE" at the lower right corner of the page, it expands to show all 100 current and four replaced NSHC statues; Douglass does NOT appear in that gallery. Douglass' statue, along with Rosa Parks', is found only in the menu item "African Americans in Art" on the left side of the page. (I also added the language in the opening paragraph on Parks' statue clarifying that, though Congress specifically placed her statue in Statuary Hall, it is not part of the Collection as both Alabama and Michigan are otherwise represented; deleting Parks altogether was inappropriate because her statue is in Statuary Hall itself.) As stated elsewhere in the article, the Collection is limited by Federal law to two statues from each of the 50 states; legislation to permit DC and other territories to add to the NSHC has been introduced, but AFAIK is not yet law. I believe the letter from the AOC will confirm my position; if it doesn't (i.e., Congress designated the Douglass statue as DC's contribution to the Collection), then the AOC's own website needs to be updated. --RBBrittain (talk) 15:46, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

I agree, the situation is currently ambiguous. I've cited the laws involved, and will cc you if and when I get a response from the AOC. Paulmlieberman (talk) 16:17, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

In the meantime, I have reverted all of your edits. The 2010 bill you cited concerning NSHC statues for DC & insular areas was NOT passed by Congress; it died in committee. Congress did pass legislation authorizing the Parks statue, but (a) the statue was commissioned by Congress itself -- all NSHC statues were commissioned by the states they represent -- and (b) Section 2 of the act prohibits the placement of any statue in Statuary Hall less than 10 years after its subject's death except the Parks statue or an NSHC statue (separate exceptions). It might help to double-check the legislation behind the Washington Post article. --RBBrittain (talk) 16:49, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

I found the Douglass legislation here. It directs the Joint Committee on the Library (*not* AOC, though that committee does have a role in NSHC replacements per 2 U.S.C. § 2132) to accept the Douglass statue from DC and place it in Emancipation Hall. Though 24 of the NSHC statues are also in Emancipation Hall, and it could be speculated (as did the Post article) that the act was in lieu of permitting DC to put statues in the NSHC itself, it does NOT in any way cite 2 U.S.C. § 2131 & 2132, the statutes governing the NSHC proper. Unless AOC suggests otherwise, that statue should NOT be listed as part of the Collection. --RBBrittain (talk) 17:06, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

I was wrong, you were right. My apologies. Here's the email from AOC:

Dear Mr. Lieberman:

The statue of Frederick Douglass is not part of the National Statuary Hall Collection. That specific collection, created by law in 1864, includes two statues from each state in the nation, and there are indeed 100 statues in the Capitol (including the Capitol Visitor Center) that are part of the collection.

However, a number of statues in the Capitol are not part of the National Statuary Hall Collection, and the statue of Frederick Douglass is among them. Others include the statues of Ulysses S. Grant, Alexander Hamilton, Thomas Jefferson, and Abraham Lincoln in the Rotunda; Edward Dickinson Baker in the Hall of Columns; and Rosa Parks--which is displayed in the room named National Statuary Hall but is not part of the National Statuary Hall Collection. These statue were either commissioned or purchased by the Congress or received as gifts from individuals or organizations.

I hope that this will be useful to you.

Eric Paff Office of the Curator Architect of the Capitol

Paulmlieberman (talk) 20:38, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Revolutions of 1989 online Wikipedia challenge

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Meetups coming up in DC!

Hey!

You are invited to two upcoming events in DC:

• Meetup at Capitol City Brewery on Saturday, January 25 at 6 PM. Please join us for dinner, drinks, socializing, and discussing Wikimedia DC activities and events. All are welcome! RSVP on the linked page or through Meetup.
• Art and Feminism Edit-a-Thon on Saturday, February 1 from Noon – 5 PM. Join us as we improve articles on notable women in history! All are welcome, regardless of age or level of editing experience. RSVP on the linked page or through Meetup.

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Coming up in February!

Hello there!

Our February WikiSalon is coming up on Sunday, February 23. Join us at our gathering of Wikipedia enthusiasts at the Kogod Courtyard of the National Portrait Gallery with an optional dinner after. As usual, all are welcome. Care to join us?

Also, if you are available, there is an American Art Edit-a-thon being held at the Smithsonian American Art Museum with Professor Andrew Lih's COMM-535 class at American University on Tuesday, February 11 from 2 to 5 PM. Please RSVP on the linked page if you are interested.

If you have any ideas or preferences for meetups, please let us know at Wikipedia talk:Meetup/DC.

Thank you, and hope to see you at our upcoming events! Harej (talk) 18:41, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

DC Meetups in March

Happy March!

Though we have a massive snowstorm coming up, spring is just around the corner! Personally, I am looking forward to warmer weather.

Wikimedia DC is looking forward to a spring full of cool and exciting activities. In March, we have coming up:

• Evening WikiSalon on Wednesday, March 12 from 7 PM – 9 PM. Meet up with Wikipedians for coffee at the Cove co-working space in Dupont Circle! If you cannot make it in the evening, join us at our...
• March Meetup on Sunday, March 23 from 3 PM – 6 PM. Our monthly weekend meetup, same place as last month. Meet really cool and interesting people!
• Women in the Arts 2014 meetup and edit-a-thon on Sunday, March 30 from 10 AM – 5 PM. Our second annual Women in the Arts edit-a-thon, held at the National Museum of Women in the Arts. Free lunch will be served!

We hope to see you at our upcoming events! If you have any questions, feel free to ask on my talk page.

— Harej (talk) 05:11, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

History of Ukraine template

Hi Paul. Thanks for reporting the damage to the {{History of Ukraine}} template; it was caused by an IP editor trying (I think) to make the template more widely usable (needless to say, it went wrong). I reverted their edit and the template is now fine. The Edit-warring noticeboard is not the best place to raise issues like this - it exists specifically for reporting edit wars - so if you come across something like this in future, the helpdesk or administrator's noticeboard is usually a better place to go (although in this case, the fix was something any editor could have done). Thanks nevertheless for letting us know. Yunshui 雲‍水 15:47, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

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An exciting month of wiki events!

Hello there,

I am pleased to say that April will be a very exciting month for Wikipedia in Washington, DC. We have a lot of different events coming up, so you will have a lot to choose from.

First, a reminder that our second annual Women in the Arts Edit-a-Thon will take place on Sunday, March 30 at the National Museum of Women in the Arts.

Coming up in April, we have our first-ever Open Government WikiHack with the Sunlight Foundation on April 5–6! We are working together to use open government data to improve the Wikimedia projects, and we would love your help. All are welcome, regardless of coding or editing experience. We will also be having a happy hour the day before, with refreshments courtesy of the Sunlight Foundation.

On Friday, April 11 we are having our first edit-a-thon ever with the Library of Congress. The Africa Collection Edit-a-Thon will focus on the Library's African and Middle East Reading Room. It'll be early in the morning, but it's especially worth it if you're interested in improving Wikipedia's coverage of African topics.

The following day, we are having our second annual Wiki Loves Capitol Hill training. We will discuss policy issues relevant to Wikimedia and plan for our day of outreach to Congressional staffers that will take place during the following week.

There are other meetups in the works, so be sure to check our meetup page with the latest. I hope to see you at some of these events!

All the best,
James Hare

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Two edit-a-thons coming up!

Hello there!

I'm pleased to tell you about two upcoming edit-a-thons:

• This Tuesday, April 29, from 2:30 to 5:30 PM, we have the Freer and Sackler edit-a-thon. (Sorry for the short notice!)
• On Saturday, May 10 we have the Wikipedia APA edit-a-thon, in partnership with the Smithsonian Asian Pacific American Center, from 10 AM to 5 PM.

We have more stuff coming up in May and June, so make sure to keep a watch on the DC meetup page. As always, if you have any recommendations or requests, please leave a note on the talk page.

Best,

James Hare

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Meet up with us

Happy May!

There are a few meetups in DC this month, including an edit-a-thon later this month. Check it out:

• On Thursday, May 15 come to our evening WikiSalon at the Cove co-working space in Dupont Circle. If you're available Thursday evening, feel free to join us!
• Or if you prefer a Saturday night dinner gathering, we also have our May Meetup at Capitol City Brewing Company. (Beer! Non-beer things too!)
• You are also invited to the Federal Register edit-a-thon at the National Archives later this month.

Come one, come all!

Best,

James Hare

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Washington, DC meetups in June

Greetings!

Wikimedia DC has yet another busy month in June. Whether you're a newcomer to Wikipedia or have years of experience, we're happy to see you come. Here's what's coming up:

• On Wednesday, June 11 from 7 to 9 PM come to the WikiSalon at the Cove co-working space. Hang out with Wikipedia enthusiasts!
• Saturday, June 14 is the Frederick County History Edit-a-Thon from 11 AM to 4 PM. Help improve local history on Wikipedia.
• The following Saturday, June 21, is the June Meetup. Dinner and drinks with Wikipedians!
• Come on Tuesday, June 24 for the Wikipedia in Your Library edit-a-thon at GWU on local and LGBT history.
• Last but not least, on Sunday, June 29 we have the Phillips Collection Edit-a-Thon in honor of the Made in America exhibit.

Wikipedia is better with friends, so why not come out to an event?

Best,

James Hare

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The Great American Wiknic and other events in July

I am pleased to announce our fourth annual picnic, the Great American Wiknic, will take place at Meridian Hill Park in Washington, D.C. on Sunday, July 13 from 1 to 5 PM (rain date: July 20). We will be hanging out by the statue of Dante Alighieri, a statue that was donated to the park in 1921 as a tribute to Italian Americans. Read more about the statue on Wikipedia. If you would like to sign up for the picnic, you can do so here. When signing up, say what you’re going to bring!

July will also feature the second annual Great American Wiknic in Frederick, Maryland. This year’s Frederick picnic will take place on Sunday, July 6 at Baker Park. Sign up here for the Frederick picnic.

What else is going on in July? We have the American Chemical Society Edit-a-Thon on Saturday, July 12, dedicated to notable chemists, and our monthly WikiSalon on Wednesday, July 16.

We hope to see you at our upcoming events!

Best,

James Hare

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Frederick Douglass

Thank you very much! I am glad to hear that the 4-5 hours I've spent on it, were worth the effort. I admire Douglass, but I had not been able to find a clear and specific explanation of his religious views. Until yesterday that I researched on books and was surprised to see that his biographies explain he was a really committed Christian who really really hated American religious hypocrisy. By the superficial statements I had seen, I had thought he had been some sort of deist and I could stand idle by seeing that someone had misrepresented his religious position in the article.

Now I read exceprts of his writings, and I can't help thinking that he was truly the Martin Luther King Jr. of the 19th Century. I can't add all the things he said on religion in the article, but I added some of his beautiful quotes at his Wikiquote article.

Regarding your question about the improvement of the article, I don't know exactly how to do it but I think this might help you. Hope it does. On the other hand, I wonder if you know how to highlight a quote in the article? I was thinking in resalting his motto ""Right is of no Sex – Truth is of no Color – God is the Father of us all, and we are all brethren." I've seen articles with representative quotes highlighted in blue questions marks, but I don't know how to do it.

Again, thanks for your comment, I really appreciate ot :) --Goose friend (talk) 16:08, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Battle of Fort Stevens Edit-a-Thon!

Greetings!

Sorry for the last minute update, but our friends at the DC Historical Society have scheduled a Battle of Fort Stevens Edit-a-Thon to commemorate the 150th anniversary of the Civil War battle fought in the District. The event will last from noon to 2 PM on Wednesday, July 30. Hope you can make it!

Best,

James Hare

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Your Italian Woman Artist

Hey Paulmlieberman, it's Taylordw from the WikiSalon on Wednesday night. Tell me the name of the Italian Woman Artist you were searing for sources on and I will look in some behind-pay-wall databases for some sources on her. -- Taylordw (talk) 06:49, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi! Her name is Bice Lazzari. Thanks! Paulmlieberman (talk) 10:13, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Obscure indeed: I can't find anything at all on her behind the academic paywalls -- Taylordw (talk) 18:39, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

But if you need such sources on something in the future, ask and I'll see what I can do. -- Taylordw (talk) 18:40, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia and YOUR History: Taking Control of the Internet

Come one and come all. To a presentation at the Laurel Historical Society about how you can help verify, validate, and edit the information that is on the front line of local history.

Picture your self leading the masses to improve Wikimedia one article at a time.

• Show the Internet who is the better editor.
• Be the creator of culture that you know you are.
• Spread the knowledge of noteworthy people who no one but you cares about.
• Lead the charge to a better Wikipedia --- eventually.

Geraldshields11 (talk) 02:08, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia and YOUR History: Taking Control of the Internet

See you at the Laurel Pool Room, 9th and Main Street, Laurel, MD on Thursday, September 11, 2014 at 7:00 PM EST. See http://www.meetup.com/Wikimedia-DC/events/205494212/ for more information. Geraldshields11 (talk) 02:13, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Wikimedia DC invites revolutionaries, free thinkers, and other sundry editors to a DC WikiSalon

The WikiSalon is a special meetup usually held during the first and third full weeks of every month, from 7 PM to 9 PM. It's an informal gathering of Wikimedia enthusiasts, who come together to discuss Wikimedia wikis and collaboratively edit. There's no set agenda, and guests are welcome to recommend articles for the group to edit or edit on their own.

If you're coming by Metro, the closest station is Dupont Circle (on the Red Line). If you're driving, a lot of parking opens up downtown after 6:30 PM, so finding a parking space (even a free one) should be easy. Once you've found the building, go to Cove on the second floor. We will be in the conference room.

When: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 at 7:00 PM to 9:00 PM

Where: The Cove, Dupont Circle, 1730 Connecticut Avenue NW, 2nd floor, 20009, DC

For more information, see http://www.meetup.com/Wikimedia-DC/events/205500822/

My best regards, Geraldshields11 (talk) 02:25, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Wikimedia DC's Wonderful meetups

Wikimedia DC's Upcoming meetups

• Thursday, September 11: “Wikipedia and YOUR History: Taking Control of the Internet, One Article at a Time!”

  A presentation at the Laurel Historical Society about how you can help verify, validate, and edit the information that is on the front line of local history. Laurel Pool Room, 9th and Main Street in Laurel, MD. 7 PM.

• Wednesday, September 17: WikiSalon

  Come for the pizza, stay for the conversation. 7 PM – 9 PM

• Saturday, September 20: September Meetup

  Get dinner and drinks with fellow Wikipedians! 6 PM

• Sunday, September 21: Laurel History Edit-a-Thon

  Local history for Wikipedia! 10:15 AM – 4 PM

• Saturday, September 27 – Sunday, September 28: Please RSVP for the Open Government WikiHack at Eventbrite by clicking on the link. The National Archives and Records Administration and Wikimedia DC are teaming up to come up with solutions that help integrate government data into Wikipedia. 10:30 AM – 5 PM each day

My best regards, Geraldshields11 (talk) 22:50, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

The wonderful annual meeting! And more!

Hello, fellow Wikipedian!

I am excited to announce our upcoming Annual Meeting at the National Archives! We'll have free lunch, an introduction by Archivist of the United States David Ferriero, and a discussion featuring Ed Summers, the creator of CongressEdits. Join your fellow DC-area Wikipedians on Saturday, October 18 from 12 to 4:30 PM. RSVP today!

Also coming up we have the Human Origins edit-a-thon on October 17 and the WikiSalon on October 22. Hope to see you at our upcoming events!

Best,

James Hare

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End-of-the-year meetups

Hello,

You're invited to the end-of-the-year meetup at Busboys and Poets on Sunday, December 14 at 6 PM. There is Wi-Fi, so bring your computer if you want!

You are also invited to our WikiSalon on Thursday, December 18 at 7 PM.

Hope to see you at our upcoming events!

Best,

James Hare

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Happy New Year Paulmlieberman!

Happy New Year!

Paulmlieberman,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia. Iryna Harpy (talk) 00:39, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

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Old-timey?

Hey Paul. Any reason why the use of "old-timey" to describe old-time music in the contra dance article? I read that it is referred to that way by practitioners, but it seems a little euphemistic. Shouldn't we generally go with the proper term as it is called in the article? (Also, I need to get Glen Echo sometime— I've only had the fortune of going there once.) I, JethroBT ^{drop me a line} 15:36, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Hi, Jethro. I highly recommend Glen Echo. There are no great bands coming the next few weeks, but it's often wonderful (BTW, I highly recommend the Giant Robot Dance, in Baltimore Jan.31). As to Old-timey vs. old-time, I've always heard it called old-timey, but I just now looked it up, and even Mike Seeger (I contra danced with him and his wife, BTW) used the term old-time, at least in print, so I'll change it. Oh, I notice you're from Chi-town. Do you know contra dancer David Lieb? Paulmlieberman (talk) 16:00, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

You can't miss David with his always sunny attire. I've known him for a number of years now; he's a swell guy. BTW, I'm also a caller around the city, but I got my start back in Glenside, PA where Bob Isaacs hails from (he got me started!) I, JethroBT ^{drop me a line} 16:35, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

I just met David at CDH last week. I really like him. We're currently comparing our lists of best contra dance bands (which tend to be regionally biased, but...). I first contra danced at Summit Church in Philly, in 1984, before they moved it to Glenside. Paulmlieberman (talk) 18:03, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Museum hacks and museum edits

Hello there!

Upcoming events:

• February 6–8: The third annual ArtBytes Hackathon at the Walters Art Museum! This year Wikimedia DC is partnering with the Walters for a hack-a-thon at the intersection of art and technology, and I would like to see Wikimedia well represented.
• February 11: The monthly WikiSalon, same place as usual. RSVP on Meetup or just show up!
• February 15: Wiki Loves Small Museums in Ocean City. Mary Mark Ockerbloom, with support from Wikimedia DC, will be leading a workshop at the Small Museum Association Conference on how they can contribute to Wikipedia. Tons of representatives from GLAM institutions will be present, and we are looking for volunteers. If you would like to help out, check out "Information for Volunteers".

I am also pleased to announce events for Wikimedia DC Black History Month with Howard University and NPR. Details on those events soon.

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Wikimedia DC celebrates Black History Month, and more!

Hello again!

Not even a week ago I sent out a message talking about upcoming events in DC. Guess what? There are more events coming up in February.

First, as a reminder, there is a WikiSalon on February 11 (RSVP here or just show up) and Wiki Loves Small Museums at the Small Museum Association Conference on February 15 (more information here).

Now, I am very pleased to announce:

• Tuesday, February 17 from 10 AM to 3 PM there will be #WikiTurgy at the University of Maryland. Join fellow theatre enthusiasts for a “mass act of public dramaturgy!”
• Thursday, February 19 from 10 AM to 4 PM we are hosting the Howard University Black History Edit-a-Thon. We are working in partnership with the Moorland-Spingarn Research Center to improve Wikipedia’s coverage of African-American and African diasporic history.
• Tuesday, February 24 from 6 PM to 8 PM we have the Black History Month “First Edit” at NPR. Help improve Wikipedia and help others make their first edit to Wikipedia!
• Finally, our monthly dinner meetup is on Saturday, February 28.

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Editing for Women's History in March

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I am very excited to announce this month’s events, focused on Women’s History Month:

• Sunday, March 8: Women in the Arts 2015 Edit-a-thon – 10 AM to 4 PM

  Women in the Arts and ArtAndFeminism Wikipedia Edit-a-thon at the National Museum of Women in the Arts. Free coffee and lunch served!

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• Wednesday, March 11: March WikiSalon – 7 PM to 9 PM

  An evening gathering with free-flowing conversation and free pizza.

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• Friday, March 13: NIH Women's History Month Edit-a-Thon – 9 AM to 4 PM

  In honor of Women’s History Month, the National Institutes of Health (NIH) is organizing and hosting an edit-a-thon to improve coverage of women in science in Wikipedia. Free coffee and lunch served!

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• Saturday, March 21: Women in STEM Edit-a-Thon at DCPL – 12 PM

  Celebrate Women's History Month by building, editing, and expanding articles about women in science, technology, engineering, and mathematics fields during DC Public Library's first full-day edit-a-thon.

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• Friday, March 27: She Blinded Me with Science, Part III – 10 AM to 4 PM

  Smithsonian Institution Archives Groundbreaking Women in Science Wikipedia Edit-a-thon. Free lunch courtesy of Wikimedia DC!

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• Saturday, March 28: March Dinner Meetup – 6 PM

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Upcoming attractions in DC

Hello!

Here are some upcoming DC meetups in April and May:

• Tuesday, April 14: National Archives Hackathon on Wikipedia Space with American University – 2:30-5pm

  See the latest work on the Wikipedia Space exhibit in the new NARA Innovation Hub and brainstorm on new ideas for a public exhibit about Wikipedia

• Friday, April 17: Women in Tech Edit-a-thon with Tech LadyMafia – 5-9pm

  Team up with Tech LadyMafia to improve Wikipedia content on women in the history of technology.

• Saturday, April 25: April Dinner Meetup – 6 PM

  Dinner and drinks with your fellow Wikipedians!

• Friday, May 1: International Labour Day Edit-a-Thon – 1:30 PM to 4:30 PM

  An edit-a-thon at the University of Maryland

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• When? June 2015
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  1.) Create or improve LGBT-related articles and showcase the results of your work here

  2.) Upload photographs or other media related to LGBT culture and history, including pride events, and add images to relevant Wikipedia articles; feel free to create a subpage with a gallery of your images (see examples from last year)

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Plagerism from Frederick Douglass article

It seems that the opening paragraph to the Frederick Douglass article that you wrote in 2010 was lifted by some lazy publisher somewhere and put onto the back of a copy of his Narrative in 2013. There's details about it on the Talk page. Wikipedia cannot do anything about it, as they don't own the copyright, you do, so if you're inclined you might be able to do something about it.

OmnipotentEntity (talk) 12:48, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your thanks -- 19th C. ringalevio ref

It was nice to get the thanks this morning! Appreciate it! That reference came up out of nowhere it seemed. I couldn't have been more delighted to see it. A treasure trove of information. Best wishes.

Dustynyfeathers (talk) 07:49, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

Kievan Rus'

if you can put this link: in the article Kievan Rus', I'll be very gateful, because here, at p.88, is availabe information about estimated territory and population. Sincerely--Noel baran (talk) 19:13, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

Uf, excuse, I made it now, and the wikipedian article not making me the description "error", that was made before--Noel baran (talk) 19:17, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for the intervening!--Noel baran (talk) 15:41, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

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It is a fun article, isn't it? And hey, did you know there's a bathroom on the right? - DavidWBrooks (talk) 15:04, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Yes! And I believe it is well stocked with "feminine hygiene products"! Paulmlieberman (talk) 15:24, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

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I noticed your JavaScript genius userbox, and was hoping you could help me with a problem I've run into writing a userscript.

Please see my post at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject JavaScript#Nested RegExp.

Thank you. The Transhumanist 11:32, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

Transhumanist (do you have another name?), I was a professional JS programmer 5 years ago, but now I just dabble in it. But your problem sounds interesting. I happen to be expert at regular expressions, though mostly in Perl and Java. So, I have some time this weekend. If you can send me examples of input to this function, and what output you expect, I may be able to fix it. Paulmlieberman (talk) 13:46, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for the offer. I'll definitely take you up on it. The script is mostly working now, but there is still a problem with the regexes or related code, as they are missing some matches. I'm very busy over the next couple of days, but will get you some specs and example input in the next few days. The Transhumanist 08:12, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

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contra dance

I'm not a contra dance fan - swing dancing is the exercise of choice for my wife and me these days. Every Sunday night at the Leominster Lions Hall - can't get much classier than that. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 17:54, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

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Hello! There is a move function on WP, which can be used to move pages. See WP:Move for more info. But, which page do you wish to keep? Chris Rabb or Christopher Rabb? Obviously we don't need both. Which is he commonly known by? I will request deletion for the page we no longer need. Cheers! ‡ Єl Cid of ᐺalencia ^ᐐT₳LKᐬ 15:15, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

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I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Nora Fischer (singer) for deletion, because the article doesn't clearly say why the subject is important enough to be included in an encyclopedia.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

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Thanks for extending to me the barnstar. I appreciate the consideration. Best wishes! Mungo Kitsch (talk) 02:33, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

Reversion of copy-edits to Rus' people

Hi there! I see you reverted my copy-edits to the Rus' people entry. Your note said 'left out the most important part', but I didn't remove anything. I just made the English idiomatic and changed the order of material so that it went from the general to the particular rather than the particular to the general. So I'm not sure what your concern is here? Thanks in anticipation! Alarichall (talk) 22:05, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

My mistake. I acted too quickly. I've reverted my reversion. Here's to greater clarity! Paulmlieberman (talk) 01:13, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

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Hi there

Hi there Paul, I recently came across your name in some article I was reading - I can't remember which one it was. Reading your user page I was so surprised to find so many similarities in our interests. For starters, I'm half and half Hungarian (Horvath from my dad who was from Colorado) and Slovenian (Stefanich from my mom who was from Minnesota). Growing up in Colorado we did some square dancing but we spent one winter in Arizona where my Dad and mom took a class and learned all of the dances/calls. Dad loved dancing and wanted to take the class a second time but mom did not, so my sister and I took turns going with him and learned as well. Until now I thought that Contra was just a new word for it but reading our articles it seems that it is not, is that correct?

Our mom died and my sis and I moved to Minnesota to live with our Aunt Rose on the Minnesota Iron Range where all of the dance music was Frankie Yankovic Slovenian-style polkas and waltzes. After school my first job was in Ely, Minnesota and on Saturday nights four bars had live Yankovic style music. We went from bar to bar and danced till closing. Here is a sample: [1]

In 1990 I moved to California and listening one night to a Santa Cruz radio I learned about this group, Muzsikás:[2] Of course I loved it! At one time their entire Santa Cruz performance was on Youtube but I can no longer find it. But it seems to me that this was my favorite and if I remember correctly Marta said that this was wedding music, and it could get quite "dirty" where people might get quite drunk and be shouting it out... She said that the band had to play for two or even three days!

There is a lot more I'd love to talk to you about if you have time. Best, Mitzi Gandydancer (talk) 15:48, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

@Gandydancer: in the days before the pandemic, I didn't have much time for an on-line life, but now I do! Would you still like to talk? Paulmlieberman (talk) 13:01, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

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Wikipedia articles are continually being edited. From time to time, people remove the definitions of citations used elsewhere in an article. This leaves an undefined citation like <ref name=Nazarenko/>. The correct way to deal with this is to look in an old version of the article to find the definition, and restore that definition.-- Toddy1 (talk) 07:55, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

@Toddy1: I looked at a bunch of old versions, and could not find the def! Paulmlieberman (talk) 12:46, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

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How to add an unsourceable photo?

Did you see that I replied on my talk page? MichaelMaggs (talk) 09:23, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

@MichaelMaggs:Michael, I did. Thank you! I've been rather busy, and struggling with some physical limitations (hopefully temporary). I've read what you had to say (and copied it to my talk page for safe-keeping), and am looking into it. I am looking for clues. The main purpose of the station was to transport local farm products (in this case, I see a 5-gallon milk container) to the cities. But the town had a few houses that served as hotels (perhaps nearby Hillsboro did too). One of the wagons has the name of a hotel on the side. Horse-drawn wagons probably continued in use into the '30s or '40s (my great-grandfather, a baker, had the first truck in Trenton, NJ in the '20s). But the better-dressed man in the picture is wearing a boater. These hats went out of fashion sometime. If I could date that, and other aspects of his dress,or the hotel, maybe that would date it. I doubt that it is after the '20s, but whether it was before 1925, needs more research. Paulmlieberman (talk) 15:00, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Michael, I recently thanked you for your Mondegreen reversion. I see you have contributed many photos. I have a question. This photo came to me from a neighbor (I don't remember who, but they didn't know where it came from). I have not been able to source it. I would like to use it in the article for my town, but I don't own the copyright. I doubt that it is copyrighted. Just to upload it so you can see it, I had to click a box that says I own the copyright. How does one get around these restrictions for old photos that were never important enough for someone to copyright?

File:QueenAnneStation.jpg

Paulmlieberman (talk) 14:03, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

@Paulmlieberman: Hi Paul, thanks for the question. The rules on unattributed photos can be pretty complicated, and vary by country. Am I right that this is a photo that was taken in the US? If so, do you have any idea of the date, for example from details of the subject itself? If we can be sure that it was taken and published in the US before 1 January 1925 then the copyright will have expired and the image is in the public domain. If later, then it may still be in copyright, even if the photographer/copyright owner is unknown. A Tin Eye search suggests it was uploaded to Flickr by this user (though it no longer seems to be there). He is a card collector, which suggests that this image may have been published long ago as a postcard. If you could let me know your best estimate of the date, I'd be happy to update the Commons tags for you - as it stands, the image is likely to be deleted pretty soon, as the picture evidently isn't by you! MichaelMaggs (talk) 18:49, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Have you tried dating the photo from the steam locomotive that it shows ? If you could work out when a loco of that type was in use in Maryland it might help the dating. RGCorris (talk) 14:45, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

I haven't. I don't know enough about trains. I have a friend who lives in Roanoke VA and is really into trains. I'll ask him! Paulmlieberman (talk) 16:18, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

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A solstice greeting

❄️ Happy holidays! ❄️

Hi Paul! I'd like to wish you a splendid solstice season as we wrap up the year. Here is an artwork, made individually for you, to celebrate. Looking forward to contra collaborations in the future! Take care, and thanks for all you do to make Wikipedia better!

Cheers,
{{u|Sdkb}} ^talk

Solstice Celebration for Paulmlieberman, 2023, DALL·E 3.

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Note: The vibes are winter solsticey. If you're in the southern hemisphere, oops, apologies.

{{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 06:54, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, and I wish you the same!

Hands four and contra on!

- Paul Paulmlieberman (talk) 16:09, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

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