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NSW Cup seasons

The information about other competitions is really out of scope of these articles. Perhaps they should be redesigned so that they are "NSWRL season" and cover all of the competitions run by the NSWRL in those years. Mattlore (talk) 22:08, 5 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello? You've had almost four days to respond to my message, but instead you've been pissing about with a sandbox version of an infobox that shouldn't really exist on that page. Perhaps you shouldn't be creating a new infobox until we've determined the future of the one we have. – Pee Jay 19:22, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Rugby league#Squad tables questions why these tables need so much information that doesn't appear to be relevant. You obviously think it is relevant so please join the discussion rather than edit war over this article. Nthep (talk) 14:51, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Nthep

I am not sure whether discussion with you will be productive.

You began the edit war by undoing what I have spent at least 20 hours over the past fortnight preparing simply because your opinion differs from mine. Please check the page views, you are the first to visit this page to express that there is to much information.

I am wondering whether you have the courtesy to respect the effort I have put in, and accept my opinion that the data I have included is what I believe is relevant information. Do you have the capacity to be gracious in the way that I was in not getting into an edit war with you over the 2003 Tonga tour page?

As I write it is just past 1am where I am in Townsville. I have been up for 22 hours now after travelling from Cronulla to attend the first two matches of the championships. After getting into a terrific conversation with locals in a pub - just two slow beers for me over three hours - I return to my accommodation intending to update the page, to find the page I started a fortnight ago changed in line with your own opinion.

My approach on updates is to update the spreadsheets and then transpose that data into the wiki tables. The mends I have drawn on the RLP, as I acknowledged. The women's is from the database (although its in Excel) that I have built since begin research into Women's internationals in May 2020. That is three and a half years worth of effort. All my additions to the various Women's international team pages are referenced.

Your change to the page does cause me stress. This is perhaps most about the lack of respect, exacerbated by your failure to consult when we have collaborated in the past.

Well, I need to sleep now. Very tired. Hopefully this gives you time to think. Is enforcing your opinion more important to you than being nice.

Regards

John Moriarty Nhoj1898 (talk) 15:28, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The original concern is not mine but I admit to being the first one to edit as a result of those concerns, after the discussion I linked to had been open for several days and when all the comments were of the opinion that the tables, as formatted, are not optimal.

I have no problem admitting that I am of the school that "less is more" and that I do not like duplication of content simply for the sake of it. Just because we can doesn't mean we must or should.

So my question here is how does it assist the casual reader to know a player's entire international career and how many games they have played for their current domestic club in an article about a specific tournament? If I want to know that then I click through to the article on that player where that information is relevant and is hopefully there.

How does it help my understanding of the Pacific Bowl to know that James Tedesco has played 136 matches for Sydney Roosters or that he has also appeared for Italy? IMO not a jot. If I'm interested in his career then I look at the article about him.

My other concerns are stylistic and ancillary to the above but for the sake of completeness if domestic career information is going to be included in a table then it ought to be all of it, not just NRL appearances with any other competition relegated to a collapsed table.

Of course, I acknowledge the effort that went into compiling the data in the first place and it's data that needed compiling. It's simply I think it is in the wrong place.

I'm sorry if you think there was a failure to consult but there was a discussion started (not by me) at a central forum and after a week in which no opinions to the contrary were given, I acted on what I thought was the emerging consensus. I'm more than happy for the discussion to continue and will go along with whatever consensus is reached. Nthep (talk) 16:51, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Typo_Team/moss found an unknown word in the article Central Coast Roosters. I tracked this down to an update that you made at 12:48, 27 September 2020. In the new section NSWRL Womens Premiers (2020), in the third paragraph (beginning: "In the Grand Final"), the fourth sentence reads:

North Sydney scored early in the second half, and that try was convetered.

What is the underlined word supposed to be? Jkgree (talk) 05:31, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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2024 Rugby League Pacific Championships squads

Hi, thanks for your work on compiling the squads for the 2024 Pacific Championships. A decision was made last year on the WikiProject page that these tables shouldn't be used as they are too information heavy, bias to the NRL, and the amount of shorthand makes it near impossible for a casual reader to understand. A much simpler tables currently present of the 2023 Rugby League Pacific Championships squads would be better. Thanks. Mn1548 (talk) 13:18, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Mn1548

As I pointed out last year, it is disingenuous to claim that a decision was made in the forum when just one other person actively agrees with your opinion. The number of page views to the 2023 page in October and November 2023 suggests than plenty of readers appreciated the additional information.

There is in inherent bias towards the NRL in the Pacific Championships given the number of players selected from NRL clubs. The only additional information that I have added is to include the number of NRL matches (for current club and in total).

Where the number of players selected from English/French clubs justifies it, I have included a Super League column. For instance, in Fiji's squad. And for others, like NZ, I have included a note.

The number of first tier club matches at a high level does have relevance, as collectively it indicates the experience and playing standard of the squads.

Once the tournament has concluded, it will have much less relevance, and could be removed them, but for now it is only two columns.

For similar reasons I have included the other representative matches column.

As I have used tooltips for acronyms and abbreviations, most readers not already familiar with similar shorthand used throughout Rugby League past and present media will understand/ To your point, however, I will add a key for the benefit of the casual reader.

One thing, I do acknowledge is that whilst the format I have used presents well on a laptop PC or tablet screen, when viewed on a smart phone it does necessitate turning from portrait to landscape for best viewing. But the same is true for the current layout of the 2023 squads page.

This leads me to the idea of having two pages that are both offered from the 2024 RLPC page:

1. ...squad statistics - which uses the format I have developed

2. ...squad lists - which simply lists the players' name and club

The 2nd version to cater for the smart phone viewer and casual viewer.

At the conclusion of the tournament we can look at the page views of the respective pages, and see whether the readers prefer the minimal information, or appreciate the additional information that I have spent many hours compiling.

That way we have an objective measurement, rather than the subjective option, where your opinion differs from mine.

If you object to having two pages, then an alternative is to use an external reference from the main 2024 RLPC page to the NRL and or League Unlimited squad pages that simply list the players names and clubs.

Yours in rugby league,

John Moriarty

Cronulla, NSW Nhoj1898 (talk) 01:56, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thats simply not true, from re reading last year's discussion there were 5 out of the 6 users who participated that agreed the table needed to be trimmed.

Two pages isn't really an option as Wikipedia shouldn't have multiple pages on the same thing. Wikipedia shouldn't also be listing statistics that are tangental to the main purpose of the article in this case domestic appearance and points, other representation, etc (see WP:INDISCRIMINATE).

Either way, I've pinged you in the current discussion so you can share your views there in a forum with other editors, ones who are more experienced in Wikipedia:Manual of Style than myself. Mn1548 (talk) 13:38, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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