User talk:Lucapremier88

Proposed deletion of Beachgolf

Hello, Lucapremier88, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia!

I wanted to let you know that I’m proposing an article that you worked on, Beachgolf, for deletion because I don't think it meets our criteria for inclusion. If you don't want the article deleted:

edit the page
remove the text that looks like this: {{proposed deletion/dated...}}
save the page

It helps to explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page. If you have any questions, feel free to ask on the Help Desk. Thanks again for contributing! jsfouche ☽☾Talk 15:40, 25 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! I would like to appeal your proposal for deletion on my article. If you believe that Beach Golf doesn't exist or isn't a notable sport, please watch on youtube or facebook, and you will find lot of material about this discipline. I am a student in Italy in Business Sport Management and I'm working on Beach Golf as case study to write my thesis. I found this article on wikipedia in italian, spanish, portoguese and french, and I asked myself the reason is not present in english, so I tried to translate. I read that Wikipedia is a free enciclopedya, so I don't agree with your reasons. In other case, please tell me in which parts my article wouldn't meet your criteria, than I try to edit it. Sorry for my english, I hope you can understand my words and my reason.

December 2011

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for block evasion. If you would like to be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding the text {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. Salvio ^{Let's talk about it!} 14:29, 1 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who accepted the request.

Lucapremier88 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

Good Morning. Please let me know exactly why I've been blocked. I was discussing for three days with an administrator, trying to find a solution to save the page created by me, Beachgolf, which was proposed for deletion on 2 December. Yesterday, December 1, I found my account blocked and the page Beachgolf eliminated. Let me explain again, after having already done over and over again, that I'm an Italian student of sports business management, and I was studying the draft Beach Golf for my thesis. I found this page that already exists in Italian, Spanish, French and Portuguese, so I asked why it was not extant in English, I created my account and I decided to contribute to wikipedia in this way. The fact that you do not know the Beach Golf does not mean that this is a sport that does not exist, as there are events in Europe, Australia and Brazil. I request the removal of the block on my account, and page Beachgolf, and possibly suggestions on how to behave, given that administrators often take immediate decisions without first ask you questions. --Lucapremier88 (talk) 08:43, 2 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Accept reason:

Unblocked. Salvio ^{Let's talk about it!} 11:43, 6 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Have you ever edited the English Wikipedia using a different account name? (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 11:50, 2 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Bear in mind that the criteria for notability on English Wikipedia may be considerably stronger and more enforced than those of smaller wikis, and thus the presence of a foreign language article may not be grounds for inclusion here. — An optimist on the run! 12:48, 2 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have tried in the past to create the same page, using it as a profile name "Beachgolf", and I was blocked because I have seen as a promoter of the discipline, because of my nickname. As I explained, I am a mere student. I then created a new account, my staff, with a neutral name, to avoid the same problem, and in this case I thought was well. However, I regret to inform you that many administrators make decisions first, and then do not respond to requests for clarification. I hope to get out of this situation soon. --Lucapremier88 (talk) 14:13, 2 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Since you are currently blocked as User:Beachgolf, you may not create a new account; blocks are aimed at you as an individual and not at a given account. Salvio ^{Let's talk about it!} 14:51, 2 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I believe that if an item is considered valid in at least 4 other languages among the most spoken in the world, and nobody argues that it is something unknown, I do not see why the rest of the world who speak English precluded the possibility of having information on this discipline. --Lucapremier88 (talk) 15:21, 2 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I always thought it was a free encyclopedia Wikipedia, but note that, as I said, many administrators make decisions, and I do not answer questions after clarification. Once again I ask how you can do to publish the page on Beachgolf, I repeat that exists in four other languages of the most spoken in the world, and I hope to get concrete answers. Otherwise I am forced to think that wikipedia is not a free encyclopedia, but a power lobbies run by unknown people in the world. --Lucapremier88 (talk) 15:27, 2 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"Free" in terms of Wikipedia means without charge, i.e. you may use it without paying a fee. It does not mean you may write what you like. Before you can be unblocked, you will need to demonstrate that you understand the following:

That you will not recreate material where there is a consensus not to do so,
That you will only edit from a single account, and not create new accounts to circumvent blocks,
That you have read and understand policies such as WP:COI and WP:SPAM.

— An optimist on the run! 15:37, 2 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

thanks for your answer. The reason why I created a new account was because I was informed that the previous one was against the principles of Wikipedia. What I'm complaining about is the cancellation of voice that I created, Beachgolf. If I want to create this page, how can I do? What should I do to show that this sport exists and is known in other countries? Please first of all I wish I had removed the block to publish on wikipedia, then I would create the page Beachgolf, in a way that you described. Thank you very much --Lucapremier88 (talk) 15:57, 2 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. My feeling is that Lucapremier88 has only accidentally violated the block evasion thing - I think it was just misunderstanding of the way to change a username, as required by the block at User Talk:Beachgolf. I also think, judging by the request at my Talk page, that this editor's motives are entirely honourable. I would support either an unblock of this account (OK, it's not technically the proper way to do it, but WP:IAR?), or an unblock of User:Beachgolf to allow a name change request -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 16:09, 2 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I would support an unblock to allow a username change here, as I agree that the users motives are wholly honourable. I make no comment about the article itself (Beachgolf}, which can be discussed if the editor is allowed a new usename.--Anthony Bradbury^"talk" 22:22, 2 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your support! What do you think I should do now?--Lucapremier88 (talk) 08:46, 5 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have contacted the blocking admin. --Anthony Bradbury^"talk" 16:01, 5 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Taking into consideration the fact you were trying to change your username so that it would comply with Wikipedia's policies, I'm willing to unblock you (or have another admin do so, if I'm not around), but I'd first like to know what you plan to do regarding the article which was originally speedily deleted as promotional. Do you intend to recreate it and, if so, how would you go about that? Would you be willing to create it as a userspace draft and then ask the opinion of the admin who originally deleted it, i.e. Orangemike? Salvio ^{Let's talk about it!} 18:32, 5 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Of course! I've already asked for help, about re-writing my article in a regular way. As I said, this page already exists in italian, spanish, portoguese, french and chinese. Please, let me know how can I write it, to be allowed in English Wikipedia. That's no promotion, is just a sport, maybe unkwoknn for you, but recognized at the federal level and with a trademark protected. --Lucapremier88 (talk) 10:33, 6 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who accepted the request.

Lucapremier88 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

See above.

Accept reason:

Unblocked per above. Salvio ^{Let's talk about it!} 11:43, 6 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you!!!! :) Finally you understand my reason! Now I hope to collaborate with you in order to publish the page Beachgolf as you indicate!

Thank you all! --Lucapremier88 (talk) 11:53, 6 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I do strongly encourage you to check whether Beachgolf satisfies English Wikipedia's notability guidelines before deciding whether or not to make another attempt at creating an article about it. I have, unfortunately, seen many new Wikipedia editors waste a good deal of time and effort in creating an article, seeing it deleted, and rewriting it to address the reasons for deletion, only to see it deleted again, when anyone acquainted with the notability guidelines would have had a pretty good idea that it was doomed from the start. No amount of rewriting an article will turn a non-notable subject into a notable one. Also, what articles exist on other Wikipedia's is of no relevance at all, both because many other Wikipedia's have different inclusion criteria than English Wikipedia and because many article exist on Wikipedia which shouldn't. You may like to read WP:OTHERSTUFF. JamesBWatson (talk) 12:01, 6 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Now that you are unblocked, for which I congratulate you, I have got to say that I would also have blocked your article as originally submitted. --Anthony Bradbury^"talk" 22:59, 7 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Anthony for your support! OK, I understand you would have block my article, so I ask you, what was wrong? How can I change it and publish it in a right way? You're very kind, so I hope you'll help me.--Lucapremier88 (talk) 12:47, 8 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am not sure that you can. I have reviewed your article, and I have to say that in my opinion this is a very non-notable sport. In order to produce an article which will survive in wikipedia you will need to produce references relating to this sport which exist in unrelated sources. Can you do that? --Anthony Bradbury^"talk" 22: 36, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

how can a sport that has a federation recognized internationally, is part of the Italian Olympic Committee, was presented at the universities of Paris, Antwerp and Barcelona as a case study, organizing events since 1999, has an official website, a facebook page, official, video events on YouTube, on TV interviews on the Italian network, not to be regarded as a sport known?--Lucapremier88 (talk) 17:03, 9 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

no more help for me? --Lucapremier88 (talk) 08:51, 12 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

As I supposed, lot of people when it's time to block me, anyone when I ask for help! --Lucapremier88 (talk) 09:18, 15 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Salvio ^{Let's talk about it!} 11:24, 19 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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What did you think about the deletion notice you received?

Hi Lucapremier88,

In November you received a message about either "Nomination for deletion" or "Proposed deletion" of an article you created. I'd like to ask you a few quick questions:

Was the message helpful? Were the instructions clear and easy to follow?
If not, how do you think the message could be improved?
What do you think about the deletion process in general? Do you understand how to contest a deletion?

You can feel free to answer on my talk page or send me your response by email (mpinchukwikimedia.org). (I won't quote you or link your answers to your username if you don't feel comfortable with that.) Your feedback is incredibly useful for improving the content of deletion notifications, so please take a minute to think about and answer these questions. Thank you! Maryana (WMF) (talk) 22:40, 17 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]