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The Teamwork Barnstar
Your efforts and smooth co-ordination with other editors have helped in improving in various articles, such as the Wahhabism article. Thank you for the good quality work you have done and keep it up to improve more articles!

Shadowwarrior8 (talk) 08:32, 29 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

i wish i was good at that Irtapil (talk) 15:22, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have sent you a note about a page you started[edit]

Hello, Iskandar323. Thank you for your work on En Harod. User:SunDawn, while examining this page as a part of our page curation process, had the following comments:

Thank you for writing the article on Wikipedia! I genuinely appreciate your efforts in creating the article on Wikipedia and expanding the sum of human knowledge in Wikipedia. Wishing you and your family a great day!

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✠ SunDawn ✠ (contact) 13:27, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have sent you a note about a page you started[edit]

Hello, Iskandar323. Thank you for your work on Nakba denial. User:Lightburst, while examining this page as a part of our page curation process, had the following comments:

I have reviewed the article. I cannot see the deleted article from the 2011 AfD but this article appears to be acurate based on the references. It appears from the previous AfD that the article was called out as synth and OR; I do not see that issue in this article. Well done, thanks for the article.

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Lightburst (talk) 15:26, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Lightburst: Thanks. I'm glad someone appreciates hard work and good sourcing. I thought that rigorously basing the article on peer-reviewed material might get me some slack, but evidently not. Iskandar323 (talk) 20:57, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Iskandar323 I don't know whether you are kidding around or you seriously thought that article was going to fly as it was, but I don't think a period of international tension is the right time to be stoking the flames on Wikipedia. I find sectarian conflicts extremely distasteful but I am not going to avoid the topic as many will do. Can you explain why the article only expresses one point of view and why it often does so in the voice of Wikipedia stating opinions as facts? —DIYeditor (talk) 11:17, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The timing is questionable too. We've just had a discussion (I think it was yesterday) surrounding the 1948 exodus on the Israel article. Homerethegreat (talk) 14:10, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure you mean by the article "flying" - the way that Wikipedia works is that someone creates a page and other people edit it. That's the process. Good for you for getting involved. No page ever "flies" in the very first form that it initially emerges in. Iskandar323 (talk) 14:55, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A Letter from a New Editor[edit]

Hello, my name's Vero, and I started editing on Wikidata.

I often monitor the discussion on Israel-Gaza War pages and saw the horror of discussion there. I saw your arguments on NPOV page regarding Israel-Gaza War, and decided to share with you my concern, and perhaps requesting your opinion, suggestion or even encouragement. I recently started to edit on Wikidata, and noticed that the speed and amount of items relating to the side of Israel on the war is much faster than the documented items relating to the side of Palestine (which often labeled as "the side of the terrorists").

Take two example, from Kfar Aza "massacre" and Al-Ahli Arab Hospital "explosion". I noticed how fast certain editors add the item, and gave them tendentious descriptions, translating them to various languages, and then deemed them as truth only because "much of the sources said that" which pointed to Western (I have no word other than that) oriented media. Each time someone pointed out other sources, such as Al-Jazeera, it got shut down by words like "they are terrorist supporting media, the X government paid them, etc." Perhaps you know this issue too well. I also noticed there are no new items or article regarding the update of each airstrike or major attack from the troops, even they passed the editing table of "reliable" media. In other places, I saw rather comical debate on how some media once portrayed Nelson Mandela and his organization as terrorist during their war against apartheid regime.

I often asked myself, before contributing on the issue, "will this contribution make difference, or is it only will be reverted by other angry editor, which ended up reporting me to the Administrators' Noticeboard?". I care because Wikipedia shown on the top of the search result, even my tech blind family member read Wikipedia, said, "the editors on Wikipedia had prolong debate on what those news editors said, so perhaps they already given more add values." How do you survive those debate? And accepting that an article or an item will remain "biased" in your POV judgement?

I think right now, Wikipedia and the rest of WMF Projects are being tested against their own policies and rules. After reading how you argued in the talk-pages, I thank you for doing what I could not. Thank you for allowing me to rant in your talk-pages. I am sorry if it is a waste of space or time.

Good luck, ma'a tamanniyat bi at tawfiq wa an najah. Verokraft-Altexnandes (talk) 14:04, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have been worried about skew as well. The reason I started on this (probably very stressful) mission is that comparing the coverage in English and Arabic news media is like watching two completely different wars. Irtapil (talk) 15:34, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please address inaccuracies in introduction of Hamas page[edit]

Hello Iskander, I'm trying to use this avenue to contact you about a much-needed change on the page concerning Hamas. I am a college student, and my professor made an off-hand comment the other day about how Wikipedia classifies Hamas as the "governing force of the Gaza strip." She is a doctor of world government and strongly asserted that this could not be further from the truth. Hamas is, simply through fact, a terrorist group targeting civilians. They do not provide for the needs of the Palestinian people or protect the sovereignty of the Gaza strip. This article has been getting increased traffic due to recent news cycles, and the assertion that Gaza and its people are governed at all, much less by a terror cell, is incredibly harmful. My account is far too new (this is a replacement for an old one I previously had) to make an edit on a protected page such as this. If you can change it to reflect Hamas' complete lack of involvement in the governing of Palestinians, I would be forever in your debt. Seithr33 (talk) 19:01, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Possible WP:Undue and WP:NPOV issue.[edit]

In Afnan Ullah Khan article, a user is including what appears to be against WP:Undue and WP:NPOV. Afnan tweeted a sensational tweet and then deleted with no major protest or any notable reaction. Yet the user Spartan Alpha want to include it. Can you check it. (talk) 13:05, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]


Unless I missed it, I can't find an article about the airstrikes on this camp- Appear to be three, 17 October killing 12, 2 November killing 15 and November, killing 20.

Make an article? Selfstudier (talk) 13:39, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Selfstudier: I've made a parent page for such associated material. Iskandar323 (talk) 07:28, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Very good, hard to keep up with all these strikes, hospitals, schools, UN sites, no end to it. Selfstudier (talk) 11:59, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Selfstudier: Yes, aggregated articles make more sense now. Iskandar323 (talk) 12:02, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Splitting discussion for Hardeep Singh Nijjar [edit]

An article that been involved with (Hardeep Singh Nijjar ) has content that is proposed to be removed and moved to another article (2023 Canada–India diplomatic crisis). If you are interested, please visit the discussion. Thank you. 2402:A00:152:85D3:61B4:3AA2:6876:1690 (talk) 16:49, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I am being accused of hate speech[edit]

Hi Iskandar323. I made the mistake of getting involved in the Israel-Palestine conflict again. Now the admin Ad Orientem is accusing me of hate speech on my talk page.

The "hate speech" in question: I claimed that Zionism is a genocidal ideology that goes against traditional Jewish ethics. It may be a bold claim, but I don't think it qualifies as hate speech. It's pretty unnerving to have an admin make this kind of accusation. —Trilletrollet [ Talk | Contribs ] 18:53, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Elbit - bit[edit]

On your edits - are you sure of this - I actually challenged it - and changed the heading - I am really not sure of the use of such loaded words as 'boycott' - cheers BeingObjective (talk) 15:12, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@BeingObjective: I don't totally understand the comment/question. How can I help? Iskandar323 (talk) 15:54, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there. I pinged in you in this Talk section, but there apparently was a problem with pinging for at least one user who I also pinged, so I wanted to make sure you saw it. Please feel free to participate in the discussion. | Orgullomoore (talk) 18:59, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

hi, can you check my topic on Saladin's talk page and tell me what you think there please[edit]

it is the very last topic on the article Quirk1 (talk) 03:45, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I added secondary sourcing, i have the most reliable primary sources too that i could follow up with secondary sourcing, if you could teach me the way I'd appreciate it. Could you also teach me how to mention or ping someone on a wiki article talk page? I tried many times and the text doesn't turn blue before i send it Quirk1 (talk) 06:55, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Quirk1: WP:PING explains the options for pinging other editors. Iskandar323 (talk) 07:05, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for your efforts[edit]

The Death Barnstar
For your efforts contributing to the page Palestinian genocide accusation. Awarded by Cdjp1 (talk) 12:17, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Even the barnstars have become morbid. Sigh. Iskandar323 (talk) 12:05, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination of Bushra al-Tawil for deletion[edit]

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Bushra al-Tawil is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bushra al-Tawil (2nd nomination) until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished.

Dazzling4 (talk) 19:50, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

How do i hey notifications about a relevant interest subset of articles being up for deletion? Irtapil (talk) 15:54, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
(talk page watcher) @Irtapil: One option would be to watch the relevant sorting page, e.g., Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Palestine. --Orgullomoore (talk) 17:03, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, that, or just watching the lists on the relevant WikiProjects. Iskandar323 (talk) 18:43, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

2500 militants[edit]

In this edit You keep the same reference, but with different content? But you said in the edit notes that you copied it from somewhere eldest on Wiki?

One thing you removed from the prose was…

"Roughly 2,500 Hamas militants and local allied militant groups in Gaza launched Operation Al-Aqsa Flood, attacking Israeli outposts and settlements on 7 October 2023, burning houses, killing hundreds of civilians, and kidnapping hundreds more to Gaza. Hamas launched over 5,000 rockets on the same day.[1]"

  1. ^ Russell, Graham; Badshah, Nadeem; Yang, Maya; Bayer, Lili; Ho, Vivian; Fulton, Adam (8 October 2023). "Civilians and soldiers held hostage in Gaza, says Israel – as it happened". the Guardian. ISSN 0261-3077. Archived from the original on 7 October 2023. Retrieved 17 October 2023.

I wanted to keep the number of militants, but it looks like it's not even in that reference. Was that the reason you removed it? If so, I'll try to find a better reference that includes it.

There were some other bits too, but my computer is playing up and i need to re-start it. Irtapil (talk) 20:04, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong claim[edit]

Regarding BilledMammal being recently booted out of another CT area for equally combative editing - your claim is wrong. That was Brandmeister being sanctioned. Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive323#BilledMammal starship.paint (RUN) 08:27, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

My mistake. I've amended my statement given it was unresponded to. Iskandar323 (talk) 08:43, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Too quick to report!!! There are more construtive ways to deal with opinion differences[edit]

I am a not a very experienced wikipedian. But with considerable desire to improve Wikipedia. I think you are too quick to report issues to adminstrators with an ANI notice. If a community rule was not obeyed, you could simply post a message on my talk page pointing out the issue, and surely I would correct it, and learn to be a better wikipedian in the future. This would have been a much more constructive way to deal with opinion differences. GidiD (talk) 21:49, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Introduction of fake news[edit]

In your recent edit [3] to the "Re'im music festival massacre" page, you introduced fake news news from "The Cradle," a source with very poor reputation for fact-checking. The article you referenced [4] makes claims about a "mass Hannibal directive", citing and linking to an Haaretz article that doesn't mention 'Hannibal' - and searching on Haaretz website did not result in any articles making such a statement. As an experienced editor, you are expected to exercise greater discernment, particularly on such WP:REDFLAG topic. Marokwitz (talk) 07:14, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I see that you have reverted the removal of the source. Please self revert. Marokwitz (talk) 07:18, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The source is based on an interview with Haaretz and its audio, and the audio itself is available on the page in the embedded content, so the proof is rather in the pudding. I can't see the issue. Iskandar323 (talk) 07:19, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This segment talks about shooting on the border fence, not related to Re'im festival. Even "The Cradle" doesn't make that connection. Marokwitz (talk) 07:25, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, that's a far better point. It is implied, but not directly stated. Iskandar323 (talk) 07:30, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You said, "The proof is in the pudding." I interpret this as you having listened to the interview to verify it. Can you point out the moment where it is implied but not directly stated? Marokwitz (talk) 07:43, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Marokwitz: I reverted the material on the page, so ... Iskandar323 (talk) 08:12, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Besides the fact that no connection is implied by the retired pilot between the claims of the debunked Ha'aretz report and the shooting at escaping vehicles on the border, and the ex-pilot himself testifies that he doesn't have direct knowledge and is only speculating on what happened that day, the main issue is that "The Cradle" is a known fake news website. It mischaracterizes the content of the interview due to its very obvious bias and apologetic attitude toward Hamas. This underscores the importance of relying on reliable secondary sources, particularly in WP:REDFLAG areas. In my attempt to verify this article from the podcast, I found numerous misrepresentations. Relying on this source in the future would be unwise. Marokwitz (talk) 09:03, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Take the source to WP:RSN if it is problematic. Iskandar323 (talk) 09:06, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I might do it if it's used again, should be very easy to prove. In the meantime, consider this a reminder that any claim requiring exceptional evidence, as outlined in WP:EXCEPTIONAL, necessitates multiple high-quality sources. I'm sure you understand how to recognize high-quality sources. Marokwitz (talk) 09:14, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Changing of Star of David from blue to black[edit]

I've noticed that you've changed the Star of David from blue to black. Please note that blue is a color associated with Judaism and holds special importance in Jewish culture. Please familiarize yourself with the Talith, or Jewish prayer shawl, and the importance of the colour to Jews. Please note the colour is the theme colour in almost all Wikipedias. Homerethegreat (talk) 08:54, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Tallits often have black stripes, so that's a misleading statement. But obviously, the problem with having it in blue in the manner of the Israeli flag is problematic for the clear issues of misassociation. Iskandar323 (talk) 09:04, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I honestly cannot understand the reason behind this very strange change. Are you familiar with Tekhelet? The Israeli flag is derived from this Jewish tradition, not the other way around. You are creating unnecessary work for other editors, and I can't see how this is a constructive contribution. Marokwitz (talk) 09:36, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss the content issue on the talk for the relevant content. Iskandar323 (talk) 11:15, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think I'd rather discuss it here because stating that there is something wrong with the Tekhelet Star of David and changing it in multiple pages may come off as offensive to some Jewish editors. The page that I sent you explains the cultural significance of the color. You should self revert those changes. Marokwitz (talk) 11:33, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Well I would rather you didn't, and editors are entitled to ask others to stop badgering them on their talk pages. Start a discussion on any page, ping me, and I'll come. Iskandar323 (talk) 11:43, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you[edit]

Thank you for your efforts in defending the Palestinian cause in the past difficult month. These 'edit-wars' are just as important as any other field in trying to attain the rights of the Palestinians which have been denied. For too long, Wikipedia has been awash with inaccurate representation of this 'conflict' by users who don't understand what's going on and simply quote biased western media and likewise by outright zionists and islamophobes who try their utmost to take down anything that challenges their ideas.

I know that you are fighting something of a lone battle but you are setting an example to be emulated by generations to come. The impact of your presentation of the arguments is having a clear impact on the discourse. The combined reality of many people around the world taking this site's information as the unfiltered academic truth and the fact that the entire discourse has been presented with zionist agenda and meddling has had awful impacts on how so many people are brainwashed into believing zionist lies, especially among the middle classes. We all have a responsibility to challenge the narrative and I want to commend you for your brilliant efforts. Odin818 (talk) 02:44, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yakhini massacre[edit]

Why did you remove the Yakhini massacre from List of engagements during the 2023 Israel–Hamas war? Raising it here because you seem to know what you're doing and i didn't want to trigger a general debate. But it looks relevant and non-redundant? But that link doesn't seem to go ambergris informative. Irtapil (talk) 08:30, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Follow the link: it's been merged and redirects to another page now. Iskandar323 (talk) 08:31, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
What was merged with what? Irtapil (talk) 12:29, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Also what is AfD? you refer to it in this edit note but I only know AfD as a far right German political party and that doesn't fit the context. Irtapil (talk) 12:27, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

WP:AFD - article for deletion Iskandar323 (talk) 08:12, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Irtapil (talk) 04:42, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Genghis Khan[edit]

My rewrite of the article is complete. I have opened a peer review; your comments would be very welcome. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 22:20, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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I'd like to thank you for your creation of the page Nakba denial, and for defending it against attempts to suppress/delete it.[5]

IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 02:15, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have sent you a note about a page you started[edit]

Hello, Iskandar323. Thank you for your work on Beheading by Salafi jihadist groups. North8000, while examining this page as a part of our page curation process, had the following comments:

Nice work

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North8000 (talk) 18:09, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

that looks interesting. Irtapil (talk) 15:26, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Apology for snippy[edit]

Hey, my comment to you was unnecessarily snippy, so I apologize. I know you are a good faith editor and a thoughtful contributor. The gall and tenacity of your comment offended me, but that's not an excuse for sniping, so I am sorry. Andre🚐 20:11, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Andrevan: Based on the indenting, I was frankly unaware that it was directed specifically at me. But I do indeed think the involved thread was one of good faith, policy-based concerns (not started by me), and so apology accepted on behalf of the process. Iskandar323 (talk) 01:29, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It wasn't directed specifically at you, though it was a frustrated response to the conversation, but there was a thread on my talk about it and I think the thread was well-meaning and addressing a way it could have been interpretted, so I'm glad you didn't interpret it that way, but I did want to ensure that. Cheers. Andre🚐 01:36, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

List of engagements[edit]

Have you noticed any bias in what's being removed from the "list of engagements…" page? Or how many people are doing it? I thought the dispute was genuinely over the significance of events, but today someone removed multiple things that were all actions of the same side. There's also a trend of anything outside Gaza being removed? Irtapil (talk) 18:17, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Haven't been paying attention tbh, but the basic motivation for the removals, i.e. removing unlinked events due to lack of demonstrable notability, appears to have been relatively sound. Iskandar323 (talk) 19:12, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Updating Nir Yitzhak article[edit]

Thanks For adding the verification/no citation tags to this article. I’m happy to have them, although I thought the in use template was sufficient. As per the talk page I am currently reviewing the resources and should have them in place today or tomorrow. The point of this message isn’t actually the tags. I’m not sure that the people I pinged to the talk page (everyone who worked on the article or commented on the AfD) got pinged - did you? I suppose that many of those who wanted the articles deleted won’t want to work on the update. However I do want the article to be as balanced as possible, and for that I need any Palestinian or Hamas related perspective on the this specific attack if it exists. I don’t know where to access such material and have a language barrier. Are you able to assist with anything like this? As long as it balances the article, I’ll argue for it’s inclusion. Happy secular new year. Ayenaee (talk) 20:23, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I saw the in use template subsequently, but I think it is important to have unsourced content tagged as such regardless to ensure that there is no confusion for any readers that might pop by mid process. Not aware of being pinged ... At least not recently. Iskandar323 (talk) 20:27, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. That’s a solid reason for the tags. Would it be taken amiss if I put ‘please look at‘ messages on each participant’s talk pages, I don’t know why the pings didn’t work. Or should I leave well enough alone. I do really want to see if it’s possible to work together less adversarially - I’m not naive about the emotions IRL, but how do we stop the killing if we don’t do something different? Ayenaee (talk) 20:42, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Nakba denial[edit]

On 12 January 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Nakba denial, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Nakba denial is a form of historical negationism pertaining to the 1948 Palestinian expulsion and flight? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Nakba denial. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Nakba denial), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Aoidh (talk) 00:03, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Needlessly inflammatory[edit]

Your comment here could have been made without the unnecessarily inflammatory commentary. Please try to avoid wording like hawkish Western nations have obliged Israel with its smoke and mirrors by making a big song and dance about it and cutting vital aid in advance of any proper investigation. There are ways to get that point across that won't raise the temperature of the discussion. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 22:27, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@ScottishFinnishRadish: Ah, whoops. Seems like I set a snowball rolling down off the mountain. I wanted to stir some debate over whether having "controversy" as an ambiguous ingredient in the title word is a good idea (I don't have the answer), but it seems I made my comment a little too eye-catching – though through the language, not the thought, which has already been asked by many a familiar analyst. Iskandar323 (talk) 03:58, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sometimes poor arguments are best answered once[edit]

Because any closer will know it’s a poor argument. nableezy - 17:08, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Nableezy: I dunno. There are some pretty poor closers out there. Perhaps a stitch in time saves nine and the prospect of a tiresome close review. Iskandar323 (talk) 17:40, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
when you repeat the same response to the same poor argument it looks like youre bludgeoning, and that makes you the problem. If a closer mistakenly gives such argument some weight then a move review can deal with it, but in the actual move request less is more for responses. nableezy - 18:01, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps. I am easily drawn, tis true. Iskandar323 (talk) 19:36, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Arbitration case request[edit]

You are involved in a recently filed request for arbitration. Please review the request at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#Promoting Iranian government POV in Wikipedia? and, if you wish to do so, enter your statement and any other material you wish to submit to the Arbitration Committee. As threaded discussion is not permitted on most arbitration pages, please ensure that you make all comments in your own section only. Additionally, the guide to arbitration and the Arbitration Committee's procedures may be of use.

Thanks, Thryduulf (talk) 15:10, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Iskandar323,
The Arbitration Committee has decided to procedurally remove the case request Promoting Iranian government POV in Wikipedia? as invalid. Details can be found at the bottom of Special:Permalink/1214583983 § Promoting Iranian government POV in Wikipedia?: Case request removed.
Best regards,
~ ToBeFree (talk) 21:18, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Guild of Copy Editors 2023 Annual Report[edit]

Guild of Copy Editors 2023 Annual Report

Our 2023 Annual Report is now ready for review.


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Editor experience invitation[edit]

Hi Iskandar323 :) I'm looking for people to interview here. Feel free to pass if you're not interested. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 19:27, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Is there an article about this strike? Selfstudier (talk) 19:09, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Selfstudier: I don't believe so. It was overshadowed by 31 October 2023 Jabalia refugee camp airstrike, although perhaps misguidedly in hindsight. Was thinking it should go up. Iskandar323 (talk) 19:36, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yea, I thought it was that but apparently not, I have to go undo my edits there, thanks. Selfstudier (talk) 20:58, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Selfstudier: Yes, it's a bit buried down the page, but the building was south of the Nuseirat camp. Iskandar323 (talk) 21:01, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Religious extremism by country has been nominated for merging[edit]

Category:Religious extremism by country has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 21:29, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Guild of Copy Editors April 2024 Newsletter[edit]

Guild of Copy Editors April 2024 Newsletter

Hello and welcome to the April 2024 newsletter, a quarterly digest of Guild activities since December. Don't forget you can unsubscribe at any time; see below. We extend a warm welcome to all of our new members. We wish you all happy copy-editing.

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Drive: 46 editors signed up for our January Backlog Elimination Drive, 32 of whom claimed at least one copy-edit. Between them, they copy-edited 289 articles totaling 626,729 words. Barnstars awarded are here.

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RSN comment[edit]

Re this comment [6] at RSN, would you please redact the personal comment and confine yourself to the merits? Thanks in advance. Coretheapple (talk) 16:10, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Coretheapple: What personal comment are you referring to? Iskandar323 (talk) 16:35, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"You've rattled off this irrelevance about bias previously, and I didn't respond for that reason." Comment on content, not on the contributor. See Wikipedia:No personal attacks, second sentence. Coretheapple (talk) 18:25, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That comment clearly addresses your conduct, not your person – the specific item here being the reiterating of the same point about bias. Pointing out that bias is irrelevant to a reliability discussion – as repeatedly noted – is relevant to the merits in the discussion. Iskandar323 (talk) 21:46, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Damascus consulate bombing talk pages messed up[edit]

It looks like you're not an admin (I'm not either). We probably need admin help to sort out the talk pages current consensus 'Israeli bombing...' and non-consensus 'bombing...', otherwise the discussions risk getting mixed up and all over the place ... Boud (talk) 13:16, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oshwah may be able to help ... Boud (talk) 13:25, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Boud: Ah yes, I see. I didn't realise the talk page hadn't followed. Iskandar323 (talk) 13:32, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would've tried moving it over the redirect myself, but someone added a comment onto the redirect page that ought to be preserved, so I opened a technical move request --Gimmethegepgun (talk) 18:08, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for sorting this. Iskandar323 (talk) 19:01, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Novem Linguae fixed it, though no idea if they read the RMT --Gimmethegepgun (talk) 10:34, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't see the RMTR at the time. Someone mentioned it at AN. I decided not to preserve the diff with the comment in it since it looks like someone else did a copy paste move of it to the bigger talk page. Hopefully that is all neatly resolved now. –Novem Linguae (talk) 12:15, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Novem Linguae: Sorry if my request made things more complicated :c. Well, it looks like things were already complicated, but still.
I hadn't looked too deeply into it, just saw your AN links were for different pages, saw why, saw that the title of the article matched the one in the close message, but not the talk page and decided to be cheeky and request it where people were already looking (not that I even remembered the technical requests pages existed). – (talk) 12:28, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nah you're good. Fixing the talk page to line up with the main article was uncontroversial. You're not technically supposed to be involved in this topic area though. You should go make an account so you can start working towards WP:ARBECR. –Novem Linguae (talk) 12:50, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Funnily enough, WP:A/I/PIA (and most others?), do not apply to userspace, because the general sanctions only apply to the area of conflict, who's definition in the case specifically exclude userspace.
But yeah, fair, I'm not planning or interested in dealing with most contentious topics anyways :s. – (talk) 12:56, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"single source" mania[edit]

Greetings, I appreciate your efforts to enhance Wikipedia article quality. However, rather than merely adding tags like "single source", it would be more constructive to actively improve the articles themselves. Although I'm less experienced, I hope you'll be open to feedback from a fellow Wikipedian.Cwainman (talk) 10:55, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Removing information[edit]

Bro, why are you removing information from articles? Elekonsult (talk) 13:38, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Removing unreliable/self-published source[edit]

You removed information on the Netzah Yehuda Battalion page because of the source. The information you removed included

“The battalion had its first casualty on August 19, 2006, when a member of the Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades shot and killed Staff Sergeant Roi Farjoun of Yehud at the Beka'otCheckpoint east of Nablus. A nearby Netzah Yehuda soldier then opened fire, and killed the attacker.”

The source is the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs. You dispute this source?

Here are two other news articles discussing what you removed because you claimed it was unreliable,7340,L-4367570,00.html (talk) 06:34, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Make an edit request on the page. Iskandar323 (talk) 07:37, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Okay so fix your mistake? You the soulless Wikipedia editor. Gotcha (talk) 11:46, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Murdered artists has been nominated for deletion[edit]

Category:Murdered artists has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 21:08, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Help needed at Abu Lu'lu'a Firuz, re addition of Persian name and concerns of circular sourcing[edit]

Your input would be appreciated at Talk:Abu Lu'lu'a Firuz#Sources for the name Piruz Nahavandi. Summaries of the dispute and discussion thread may be found here. Thanks! ☿ Apaugasma (talk ) 15:23, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

JC discussion[edit]

After all more than a third of the comments there are yours. I was accused of bludgeoning on the ADL RfC when only about 20% of the comments there were mine (and you were close behind me there...)

Vegan416 (talk) 15:09, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment count is not the definition of WP:BLUDGEON. Selfstudier (talk) 15:15, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's one of the measures. And the most simple and objective one. One could also count the number of characters each user wrote, or the percentage of comments one responded to, but that's a lot of work to do manually. Maybe some day I'll write a script that does that, but I don't have time for it now. All other measure are more subjective. Vegan416 (talk) 15:44, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, by that measure, you are heading the comment leaderboard at ADL, lol. Selfstudier (talk) 15:50, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I know. That's why I didn't complain about Dronbogus warnings to me there and humbly accepted his(\her?) limiting me to no more than 3 additional comments in the ADL discussion. but I said Iskandar323 was also at the top there, close behind me. Vegan416 (talk) 15:54, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Pretty sure you would be right up there on total text as well. Selfstudier (talk) 15:55, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I'm not going to spend time on checking that. Maybe if I write that script some day we can test that hypothesis. Anyway my subjective impression is that Iskandar323 leads here in total text as well, but I'm not going to count that either. Anyway what are you doing here? Are you following me around? I'm flattered. Nice to chat. But I have to make a break for a day or two again to keep sane. Over and out. Vegan416 (talk) 16:03, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ISk page is on my watchlist, I have no interest in watching you. Selfstudier (talk) 16:04, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm the OP and people keep prompting me too respond, so I don't think my reply rate is particularly surprising. Now why you responded to my specific response to The Kip (before they'd even had a chance to respond) to accuse me of double standards is a great Q. Iskandar323 (talk) 16:32, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The page WP:BLUD doesn't contain any exemption for the person who opened the discussion, and rightly so, why would the OP have more right to dominate the discussion than other participants? Anyway I have written now a quick and dirty script as I suggested. You cab find the code in C# here. Using it I can see that you have written 27% of the comments and 25% of the text in the JC discussion. This is coming close to the 33% limit mentioned in WP:BLUD: "If your comments take up one-third of the total text or you have replied to half the people who disagree with you, you are likely bludgeoning the process". For comparison when @Dronebogus imposed a 3 additional edits limit on me in the ADL discussion on April 18 I had made only 16% of the comments and 18% of the text there... Vegan416 (talk) 10:03, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You're turning up a week later to tell me I'm below the threshold ... unnecessary, but thanks. Worth noting that the thread in question is a discussion, not a simple list of !vote comments, so the anticipation is a bit of back and forth, new evidence (of which there was plenty), etc. Iskandar323 (talk) 13:33, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The WP:BLUD page doesn't make any distinction between RfCs and other discussions. Nor does the WP:RfC page say that RfC should contain only !votes and not discussions and new evidence. Vegan416 (talk) 14:03, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's almost like this volunteer project is not a bureaucracy and not for lawyering. Iskandar323 (talk) 16:01, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Hi, what is your opinion on nominating the "Wahhabism" page to good article nomination? I thought it might be good to analyze its pros and cons. The main negative is that the page suffers from constant disruptive editing, so without some sort of permanent protection (extended-confirmed, in my opinion), the page may deteriorate in quality over time. Shadowwarrior8 (talk) 7:20, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

I can probably still identify some areas for improvement without recourse to the GA process. I get the impression that there's still plenty more to be done. The definitions section is still overly long – these things don't tend to go on for this long. The "contemporary usage" part could potentially be moved to the end of page and relabelled as western historiography or something, as usage isn't really definition or ethnology. I think there could also be more selectivity with the material and sources here. The whole section is still quite overblown. In practical terms, it shouldn't take that long to wade through the first introductory section just to get to the history, beliefs, etc. Skimming through the page more generally, I still see plenty of very large paragraphs that have only a single source at the very end, so I think the in-line citation likely needs fleshing out, or some of this material reducing in terms of weight. The overall length, while down, is still significant. Most featured articles are around 12k words. Here, we're still at 13.5k+. Worth bearing in mind. There are also sections rendered in bullet points when there's little cause for it and prose should really be used. I can probably keep going for a while along these lines. I have an eye for attention to detail ... Iskandar323 (talk) 08:06, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Islam in Southeast Asia[edit]

Can you help out and keep an eye on this article? Especially considering these types of edits. There seems to be edits by a user with a seemingly biased POV on several topics on Islam, Southeast Asia, India/Hinduism. I'm concerned as there has been users in the past (who were banned as sockpuppets, etc.) who have edited Southeast Asian Islam articles, with a undue and often inaccurate emphasis or inclusion of forced conversions, often misinterpreting sources and scholarly consensus. More eyes needed on relatively niche topics where it has been fashionable for biased users to make edits in subjects related to Islam and/or Hinduism. SlackingViceroy (talk) 00:33, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@SlackingViceroy: This sort of topic is teeming with disruptive editing. I avoid a lot of South Asian + religion topics because it's just so unproductive working in those spaces giving the disruption past, present and future. I mainly just do bandaid work, as above. Iskandar323 (talk) 00:57, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Understandable, I avoid such topics myself too for the same reasons. However, I've noticed that the same type of disruptions have recently bleeding to areas barely related like Southeast Asia or East Asia, with Islam being the only commonality. As one editor once said recently: "The hostility that various sectors of the project bear toward religion in general and Islam in particular is unfortunate. Perhaps this is a reminder for the community to be vigorous about the quality of sources used to document Islam and Muslim people/events/groups/etc."
I also edit on Eastern Christianity and Buddhism-related articles and hardly see such POV disruptions in comparison. I still plan on editing on topics on the anthropology and history of Asian Islam and of Muslim minorities in Eurasia, as so few people seem to and pages on anything related to it will likely spiral to anti-Muslim screeds and outright misinformation. Thank you for hearing me ramble and I appreciate your contributions I have seen around the project. SlackingViceroy (talk) 23:56, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reverted you[edit]

Hey, I reverted this. Can you rewrite your comment? Something technical went wrong. VR (Please ping on reply) 18:41, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I was wondering what happened there. It's fine. Unimportant. Iskandar323 (talk) 19:01, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]