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Fishpond and Mighty Ape

I noticed that you prodded Fishpond.co.nz and Mighty Ape. I have removed the prod from the former only because another editor removed the prod from Mighty Ape. These two companies are direct competitors and are probably of approximately equal notability. The two articles should be treated equally on Wikipedia, unless of course someone can find significant sources for one of them but not the other. I have no connection with either other than having placed occasional orders with both. Feel free to take them to AfD.-gadfium 20:50, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

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Thanks marcustom41019999

Hi thank you for helping me and i have a lots of other questions about using Wikipedia so i hope you don't mind helping me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marcustom41019999 (talk • contribs) 16:39, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Sure, no problem. If you have more questions, you can ask them here, or at the Teahouse, or by adding a {{helpme}} template to your talk page and asking the question there. Howicus (Did I mess up?) 18:20, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, and yup, I made it thinking about Indie. One of my fav movies ever is Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade :D Miss Bono [hello, hello!] 19:07, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

I've never actually seen that one...I've seen Raiders of the Lost Ark, half of Temple of Doom, and Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. I've heard Last Crusade is pretty good though. Howicus (Did I mess up?) 21:51, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
I have seen the whole saga :D-- thanks for the comment :) Miss Bono [hello, hello!] 16:40, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

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Your involvement with DRN

Hi there, I noticed that you haven't been as active at DRN as you was before. DRN has been a bit backlogged lately and we could use some extra hands. We have updated our volunteer list to a new format, Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard/Volunteers (your name is still there under the old format if you haven't updated it) and are looking into ways to make DRN more effective and more rewarding for volunteers (your input is appreciated!). If you don't have much time to volunteer at the moment, that's fine too, just move your name to the inactive list (you're free to add yourself back to active at any time). Hope to see you again soon :) Steven Zhang (talk) 13:19, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

This is the second time I've gotten this message from someone :) . I'm already on the new list; and trying to be more active. Howicus (Did I mess up?) 14:49, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

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Sacred Band

"Primary topic" is not a matter of which article you think is more important. It means that when you type a term into the search box, you go to the primary topic article. If you type in Sacred Band, you go to a disambiguation page. Sacred Band of Thebes is therefore not primary topic and should not have a hatnote. The guideline uses the examples defamation and Defamation (film). The "Defamation (film)" article is not primary and therefore does not have a hatnote. Epaminondas of Thebes (talk) 04:26, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Well, I noticed that when I start typing "sacred band" into the search bar, by the time I get to "sacred ba", the first option in the drop-down list is Sacred Band of Thebes, which I think many users may click on. So it's not which one I think is most important, but which article(s) people may end up at. Howicus (Did I mess up?) 04:33, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
Oh, and a Google search for "sacred band" put Sacred Band of Thebes as result #1. All in all, I think many readers will end up on the Sacred Band of Thebes page, so that page should have a link to the disambiguation if that's not the Sacred Band they were looking for. Howicus (Did I mess up?) 04:33, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
To get to the article, either through the search box or Google, the reader currently has to click on "Sacred Band of Thebes", so I don't see how removing hatnote creates any ambiguity. Anyway, we can get around this problem by moving Sacred Band to Sacred Band (disambiguation), and then setting the redirect to Sacred Band of Thebes. Epaminondas of Thebes (talk) 04:54, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
It is waaaay too late for me to think clearly about this...I don't know, do what you feel makes the articles easiest to navigate. Howicus (Did I mess up?) 04:56, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

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Hello

Hi, I'm one of the users on whose page you left a cookie! Thanks for the cookie! I have a couple of questions and i would be grateful if you can help me out. I have run into some trouble with the article http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Swami_Nithyananda.. One of the users who is editing there is a PR person of "nithyananda" himself. I'm betting for this user to come back and revert my edits because this particular user has been in many edit wars on the same article before. I would be really grateful if you can give me a link to the detailed rules regarding these following topics:

Wikipedia's rules regarding self-publishing and Biographies. Wikipedia's rules regarding references (And what qualifies as a reference). Wikipedia's rules on edit/revert wars.

Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lookinhotbra (talk • contribs) 18:28, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Sure, the relevant policies here are Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons, Wikipedia:Edit warring, Wikipedia:Conflict of interest (if you think that one editor is closely connected to the subject), and WP:Identifying reliable sources. Those should cover it, I think.
Two things though...first, if someone reverts the edits you made to the Swami's page, do not revert back, as that's how edit wars start. Instead, discuss the edits on the talk page. Second, which account do you think is the PR person? Howicus (Did I mess up?) 18:44, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the useful links!

I have also left a message on the talk page. The possible PR person is the user named Acnaren , He has been a wikipedia member since 2009 and only does edits on the swami's page. He had also previously removed any statements in the article regarding the crimes committed by the swami even though they were referenced using leading indian daily newspapers. Thanks!

Lookinhotbra 18:51, 9 October 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lookinhotbra (talk • contribs)

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Please advise on how to deal with vandalism and edit warring

Hi, Acnaren came back and reverted all my edits on Swami Nithyananda.I had deleted some articles on that page because they violate wikipedia's policies of WP:NOR and WP:SPS, Acnaren started edit warring without even discussing on talk page. Acnaren has also been deleting pretty much every article with valid references from national newspapers. Please advise on how to deal with this type of vandalism and revert wars...A couple of other users had also raised these rule violations on the talk page, But these notifications of wikipedia's rules were ignored, and they seem to kinda have a monopoly over the page bulldozing any other user even if we stick to the rules..Can i report these users to someone??? Please help!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lookinhotbra (talk • contribs) 05:13, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

I think you and Sean.hoyland are working the problem out nicely. My suggestion would be to propose any further large changes on the talk page first, before you make the edit. Howicus (Did I mess up?) 17:11, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

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Eurofighter DRN

Can this be removed from archive because it isn't resolved?

http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard/Archive_78

The story so far is that we have an airforce user providing a speed at a specific altitude and the company who produce the aircraft verifying it as possible. I can't understand why substantiated new information like this isn't sufficient for an article update.

The other side is relying on a magazine reprint of legacy press release figures and calling it a secondary source. As regards this let me draw your attention to the following:

http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Wikipedia:USEPRIMARY#.22Secondary.22_is_not_another_way_to_spell_.22good.22 From from the above: "Characteristics of a secondary source: "A secondary source usually provides analysis, commentary, evaluation, context, and interpretation. It is this act of going beyond simple description, and telling us the meaning behind the simple facts, that makes them valuable to Wikipedia." Jane's fulfills none of the criteria mentioned in the sentence above wrt the Typhoon Mach figure and has remained stagnant (not updated) since 2003. There is no discussion of the initial press released speed figure nor analysis of it. Z07x10 (talk) 22:29, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Furthermore http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Wikipedia:USEPRIMARY#Not_a_matter_of_counting_the_number_of_links_in_the_chain: "Consider the simple example above: the original proclamation is a primary source. Is the book necessarily a secondary source? The answer is: not always. If the book merely quotes the proclamation (such as re-printing a section in a sidebar or the full text in an appendix, or showing an image of the signature or the official seal on the proclamation) with no analysis or commentary, then the book is just a newly printed copy of the primary source, rather than being a secondary source. The text and images of the proclamation always remain primary sources."

In this instance Jane's is not a secondary source.Z07x10 (talk) 16:15, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

I'm gonna be honest with you, and say that I have no idea what to think about the dispute. Re-list it on DRN if you want, but I don't think I'll be able to provide much more help here...my apologies. Howicus (Did I mess up?) 17:12, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

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Hoping for help regarding list policy

In this edit you mentioned that lists do not need as many citations. I am kind of confused about the policy because I am just listing people for whom we already have articles, and their date of birth and date of marriage are both listed on those articles. Someone is removing both my reference notations (which list that data) and entire entries, but I am confused about why. If they are taking issue with this information, shouldn't we be addressing that on the specific people's pages rather than on a list overview? Ranze (talk) 15:37, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Well, I'm not entirely sure why they're removing names myself...you'd probably be better off asking TheRedPenOfDoom directly, either on Talk:List of child brides or TheRedPenOfDoom's talk page. Howicus (Did I mess up?) 15:40, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

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Steelbro

Hi I've tried to start the Steelbro page but it seems a bit too hard having done the work two months ago. As there are multiple references within Wikipedia to this company I don't understand the problem here. I will leave this to someone with more motivation to share this history, as I won't resubmit. Pity. I guess you're trying to be helpful, but it's not been very successful. Regards greg — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greg.muirsmeath (talk • contribs) 11:13, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

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Just deleted a template from AfC that appeared on your page

Not sure how that happened - your only connection to the article was that you commented on it. Cheers! Julie JSFarman (talk) 15:19, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! Howicus (Did I mess up?) 16:41, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

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Thanks

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What are you doing?

Of course it doesn't have so much information yet. The article was just started. The subject as such is of course vital and relevant. Do remove your deletion request. Arms Jones (talk) 23:20, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Since the article is so short, I'd recommend expanding London Borough of Barking and Dagenham#Coat of arms first, and then splitting off the section if the Coat of Arms section becomes too big. Howicus (Did I mess up?) 23:23, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

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A cheeseburger for you!

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Hey howicus whats up i dont appriciate you creepin" on my page and trying to get it shut down bruh? Really you want to BRO DOWN BRO?? LIKE for real dude im tryn fur sum ladiez on muh page so i can gett it ya know? — Preceding unsigned comment added by LegalizeDA.HERBandFREEyourSOUL (talk • contribs) 19:02, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi, sorry it took me a bit to get back to you, I had to log off shortly after I tagged your page. The problem with that page is that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a social network. There was nothing on your page that was like an encyclopedia at all; it looked like you were trying to set up a "hangout" page, which is not what Wikipedia is for. Howicus (Did I mess up?) 21:36, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
Just collapsing this so it takes up less room

Baildsa page deletion inquiery

I am sorry about the outgoing link. Now the article is fixed. Please, comment on it. http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/User:CristinaMishka/Baildsa CristinaMishka (talk) 23:57, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Well, that article needs more independent, reliable sources like newspapers or magazines to show that the band is notable. Facebook and the band's own website are not reliable sources, though the other two look a bit better. Howicus (Did I mess up?) 00:00, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

Please find them provided. I could use some help on verifying them by you, and also some pure wikiediting/coding to change the title form Bailds to Baildsa. The provided links are in English and Bulgarian so google chrome translator would be useful to understand, what they say. Find them here, and I expect your comment. http://www.hcspirit.com/news/baildsa-edna_tipichno_balkanska_grupa_ot_gurcia_idva_za_bg_turne.html http://www.mikamagazine.com/index.php/news/2477-baildsa-na-turne-v-bulgaria http://www.reakcia.net/2013/11/18/grutskata-banda-baildsa-na-turne-u-nas/ - Youth Students Journalistic Radio with interview with the vocal of Baildsa http://www.moreto.net/events.php?n=226521 - A Varna guide article http://metalhangar18.com/site/okontchatelnite-dati-ot-turneto-na-baildsa.mh18 - Metal Music site with interview http://www.trud.bg/Article.asp?ArticleId=2446915 - Trud - The biggest newspaper in Bulgaria - independent article about the tour http://www.iamgreek.nl/arts-and-culture/2013/09/18/baildsa,-a-special-balkan,-reggae,-gypsy,-punk-band-from-thessaloniki/ - Article and interview on a site for Greeks in Holland.

Looking for your reply CristinaMishka (talk) 00:09, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

Found another one, this time Greek -- http://www.noizy.gr/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1425:synentefksi-me-tous-baildsa&catid=85:2012-02-05-07-12-06&Itemid=622 CristinaMishka (talk) 00:12, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

I'm afraid interviews aren't independent sources, since it's a member of the band talking about the band. This one looks like a good source, though: http://www.trud.bg/Article.asp?ArticleId=2446915 . Howicus (Did I mess up?) 00:20, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

Help page comment

Hello, Howicus, I responded to your comment on the help page. If you'd like to follow up, I'd appreciate it. Question on page dated Dec 11, 1.7 Creating "bulk" pages. Thanks. SkoreKeep — Preceding unsigned comment added by SkoreKeep (talk • contribs) 04:45, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion declined: Amador Báez de Alpoim

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Cindy Bir article sources

Thank you for your help with my question about my Cynthia Bir article. I disagree that YouTube is off the chart for a source. All the spirit and wording of all the policies stress that reliability is a balancing of many factors. YouTube is generally not a reliable source per se because 99% of its users are not professionals or notable organizations, however, many such do utilize YouTube as a means of publication.

The video I referenced was a a National Geographic episode, and NG is a WP-recognized entity. The proof that it's official is substantial. Beyond appearing completely official by its content (the people it features, etc.), the user account is the official YouTube account of Ryan Doyle (who's featured in the video), who's WP entry (which I started) has stood solid long-term. (Other Fight Science videos are posted from various accounts, and by YT policy, you shouldn't post the same video twice, so it's entirely feasible that NG would allow Doyle to be the poster for this video.)

If by this information you still think the video is a poor source, could you please direct me to the policy information you feel supports your view? Honestly, I'm a bit fatigued arguing the reliability of notable sources that utilize YouTube as a means of publication. It's our only job to filter information, so why should we rule out a source simply because it requires heavy filtering to get at the reliable sources?

Perhaps I shouldn't have listed it as the first source? Maybe I should put it lower so it doesn't raise an immediate eyebrow?

I'm confused why you think personal biographies can't be utilized in combination with objective sources, especially from a reputable University. From everything I know, solid sources can be used it combination with sketchy sources in a balanced whole. By your logic, wouldn't this rule out all autobiographies ever published as being able to be quoted in encyclopedic content?

Thank you so much for your help! (You can reply here.) Squish7 (talk) 03:04, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Well, to be honest I don't see why you're using the YouTube video at all...you're only using it to cite her nickname (right?). Second, involved sources like interviews or autobiographies can be used to cite facts, but not to show notability. Including them at this point will only slow the review process down. If this still doesn't make sense, please let me know...it's very possible the mistake is at my end. Howicus (Did I mess up?) 03:37, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
Ah, well it's key because she is often known by "Cindy", even professionally (just google "Cindy Bir" to see), and that's the most reliable source I could find that officially titles her "Cindy Bir". I also thought it was an excellent source in general, i.e. to support her basic notability, and that could be used for other purposes (or that I could have used to support other sentences.)
That something is on YouTube doesn't water the source down once it's been shown to be official, which I've done. It's an excellent video documentary of her, and has lots of other information someone might want to use. Squish7 (talk) 06:43, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
Ok, I think I see your point about the video, and I don't have any objection to including it. Sorry for the trouble, this sort of thing is an exception to the rule. Howicus (Did I mess up?) 18:15, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for your help. In retro, maybe I shouldn't have been trying to solicit analysis before the waiting period. I can see now why it's there; it may take close attention to verify everything is done correctly. I think I can post it now though or a revision of it so thanks. Squish7 (talk) 23:30, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

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Quick deletion process

Hello Howicus, Though I agree of expanding endlessly Wikipedia contents is senseless but many famous persons/places have their pages both in English and in their native language. It is the same in this case. Due to that intention you can immediately delete Budapest either in Hungarian or in English. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Koti.hung (talk • contribs) 18:23, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

The problem with your article is that you submitted the Hungarian version of the page to the English Wikipedia. It's fine to have the article in two languages, but the Hungarian page should be on the Hungarian Wikipedia. Try writing the Hungarian version here [1]. Howicus (Did I mess up?) 18:30, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Completely right. Somehow I missed that point. Koti.hung (talk) 18:45, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

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