User talk:Devopguru

October 2024

Hello, I'm MrOllie. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions have been undone because they appeared to be promotional. Advertising and using Wikipedia as a "soapbox" are against Wikipedia policy and not permitted; Wikipedia articles should be written objectively, using independent sources, and from a neutral perspective. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about Wikipedia. Thank you. MrOllie (talk) 22:28, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, MrOllie.

Which contributioin are you referring to? Devopguru (talk) 23:02, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All of them. MrOllie (talk) 23:08, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dear, I understand that my editing of a poorly written page on FTP protocol indeed seems biased and I should have worked more on that.

However, this page http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Remote_Shell was rightfully ok and you remark on "advertising" is not applicable to my additions. Please, check the reworked version and I'd appreciate if we settle the issue here. Devopguru (talk) 23:13, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, your additions are blatant advertising and linkspam. MrOllie (talk) 23:20, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1. Are any of the links I provide irrelevant to the software in question?

2. The "blatant advertising" is giving one single software tool when there are plenty of others. Devopguru (talk) 23:24, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Almost all spam links are 'relevant', but that is not Wikipedia's standard for inclusion. SSH does not need 'advertising' from us. Adding a list of alternatives as a fig leaf to add your own product is not fooling anyone. MrOllie (talk) 23:51, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dear,

1. "Almost all spam links are 'relevant'" - Relevant to the subject cannot be spam as long it's not advertising or biased or based on false facts etc. My inclusions were not biased or fake. I guess we are on the same page here. If so, please be more attentive to your statements. You have not explained why my inclusion was a spam.

2. "..., but that is not Wikipedia's standard for inclusion." I am willing to collaborate with you on this. I am not experienced with Wikipedia, so I would appreciate refactoring and constructive remarks regarding my additions (groundless claims about something relevant being spam is not constructive).

3. SSH is yet another tools among others. I don't know whether 'advertising' is the right word but picking one tool and leave out all others is some sort of a push. If we finally fail to arrive to a common understanding on how we can add SSH alternatives, I will have to simply delete the SSH bit in that paragraph as it indeed violates the interests of other developers as well as misleads a reader by giving an impression that SSH is the only successor and alternative to r shell. Devopguru (talk) 01:39, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is no refactoring or 'common understanding' that is going to allow you to spam vendor links on Wikipedia. Even if you somehow got me to agree (which I won't) the next person along who saw your link would surely remove it. MrOllie (talk) 01:43, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would personally disagree with "spam vendor link" as they are not spam (they are relevant and in place). But this is, unfortunately, according to what you say Wikipedia policy. Therefore, I would kindly ask you the following:

1. Please provide the reference to Wikipedia page where I can check that "vendor links are not allowed".

2. Assuming that this page/FAQ exists, we have to remove the SSH part due to the reasons I mentioned earlier. Devopguru (talk) 02:26, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1) WP:EL. 2) No, we do not have to and will not remove mention of SSH. MrOllie (talk) 02:32, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I gave you the benefit of the doubt initially and just tidied up the links without placing a warning on your page. I assumed good faith and didn't just blindly revert you.

SSH is the predecessor to RSH, that is clear. It is also clear that Wikipedia doesn't need spam from the likes of Teamviewer and ManageEngine.

I suggest you take some time to review our editing policies instead of arguing about not being allowed to add vendor spam. OXYLYPSE (talk) 06:15, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1. Thank you for the link, unfortunately I see no rule there that I broke, so more questions came up. Let us assume I would like to add a page on remote desktop software. Because currently Wikipedia does not have such page. Individual pages on rsh and ssh won't not edited. Now the question is can I create such page? I will try to follow the guidelines in the list of restaurants example. Inevitably such page will contain some links, like e.g. here http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Category:Fortran_compilers

2. "SSH is the predecessor to RSH, that is clear" - not, Sir, that is wrong. Maybe you should invite a technical expert to the discussion so that we can relate to technical questions. This discussion is not purely on guidelines and legal stuff but involved technical matters. Devopguru (talk) 10:52, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not getting in a content dispute with you; this is my subject area. SSH has replaced telnet and rsh, and is entirely separate to GUI remote access software. We already have a page on Remote desktop software. OXYLYPSE (talk) 10:59, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dear,

Now you claim "SSH has replaced telnet and rsh". This is the opposite to "SSH is the predecessor to RSH, that is clear". Please do not confuse yourself.

I feel like you are confused once again when you bring up "Remote desktop software" page. Remote desktop is not the same functionality as "remote terminal". It MIGHT include however remote terminal as well. And there is no page on remote terminals. That page would, like I mentioned earlier, require teo logical blocks: 1 - the GUI-based software; and 2 - minimalistic CLIs. Devopguru (talk) 11:15, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I apologise for the confusion, I chose the incorrect word. What I meant was that Telnet/RSH is legacy and came before SSH. SSH has largely replaced these.

I am aware of the differences between the CLI and a Desktop, however I believe you also used the wrong word when you said "Let us assume I would like to add a page on remote desktop software".

I am assuming you are editing in a good faith attempt to improve the encyclopedia, but if you continue to add mentions of vendors in this 'spammy' manner, others will likely revert you also. OXYLYPSE (talk) 11:24, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop. If you continue to add inappropriate external links to Wikipedia, you may be blocked from editing. It is considered spamming and Wikipedia is not a vehicle for advertising or promotion. Because Wikipedia uses nofollow tags, additions of links to Wikipedia will not alter search engine rankings. [1][2] MrOllie (talk) 23:21, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]