Talk:Rob Gronkowski

The use of American football

saying "X is a tight end" is extremely ambiguous. Why do you think that we say "X is a Massachusetts politician" and not just "X is a politician"? --TM 20:49, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

For others reading this, I let Namiba know there was an RFC at Talk:Football recently on the use of specific codes in articles versus WP:ENGVAR standardization. However, I can't agree with their assessment given the fact that the New England Patriots play American football, or just plain football as it is known in New England, and therefore it's implied that he's a tight end in the sport given the fact he plays for that team. Doc Quintana (talk) 21:16, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes, but what about if he is cut and ends up playing another type of football?--TM 21:19, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

That bridge can always be crossed if it is crossed, but the principle would be the same. The reader would understand he's a tight end playing Canadian football if it said he was a tight end for say, the Toronto Argonauts. It's implied from the link. Doc Quintana (talk) 21:36, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Dan Growkowski no longer plays for the Pats

Under 'Early years' it says that his brother Dan is currently a teammate of Robs. This is the quote from the article:

Dan, played as a tight end at Maryland and was selected in the 2009 NFL Draft, and is currently a teammate of Gronkowski's in New England.

From Dan Gronkowski's page:

Gronkowski signed with the New England Patriots on September 6, 2011.[9] However, after playing in two games, he was waived on September 23. He re-signed with the team on October 10.[1]. On November 8th, 2011, Dan Gronkowski was released for a second time.

http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Dan_Gronkowski

Mattsky (talk) 04:05, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

 Fixed Eagles 24/7 (C) 04:07, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 1 January 2012

change 15 receptions to 16 receptions

24.60.56.80 (talk) 20:20, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.  Hazard-SJ  ㋡  04:32, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

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Gangnam Capoeira

Deleted the entry saying he learned "gangnam dynasty capoeira" .. clearly graffiti. The reference (U of Arizona bio) has nothing of the sort. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.212.131.38 (talk) 22:53, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

First name

I can find no reliable source for his first name being Robert, so I removed it and defaulted to how he is listed at the NFL's website. Chambr (talk) 01:11, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 October 2015

99.45.207.13 (talk) 00:24, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

nicknamed horsecock

no

Semi-protected edit request on 13 October 2015

Should be Mel Kiper, Jr not Mel Hitler, Jr Benosd (talk) 17:58, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

 Done - Thanks for pointing out the missed vandalism - Arjayay (talk) 18:28, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request Oct. 24, 2015

Was he really nominated for an AVN Award in college? He's good, but not that good. ;) 107.107.62.225 (talk) 02:04, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

He most certainly was not. Nice catch. Calidum 02:09, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

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Middle Name

I updated Gronkowski's middle name on the page. It was incorrectly displayed as "Paxton," although Gronkowski himself mentioned that the name on Wikipedia was inaccurate and that his full name is Robert James Gronkowski Lubnasebastian (talk) 06:58, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

References

My edit was automatically reverted to the original incorrect middle name. I'm new to Wikipedia, how can the edit be made permanently? Lubnasebastian (talk) 07:05, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

The only other source I can find for his middle name is Pro Football Reference, which has his middle name as Paxton. Weighing PFR against a YouTube video, PFR is the more reliable source. Wikipedia goes by verifiability, not truth. It doesn't matter if his middle name is James; reliable sources have his middle name as Paxton. Lizard (talk) 07:11, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

I'm with the Lizard. Even if the YouTube video could somehow be vetted to show that actually is Gronk, which it can't, this is an encyclopedia article. We really don't care what he says about himself; only what others have daid. John from Idegon (talk) 07:24, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

I decided to look up the publisher of the video. It says "TSN Tube". The YouTube page links to The Sports Network (http://www.tsn.ca) . I'm trying to confirm whether this actually belongs to "The Sports Network" or not. There are publications widely thought of as "reliable sources" who host their videos on YouTube, and so it's important to distinguish those videos from, say, self-published videos made by an average Joe. @Lizard the Wizard: @Lubnasebastian: @John from Idegon:

Lubnasebastian, in the future I would identify the publisher/author of the video and include it in the citation. If it's from CNN's YouTube channel, then CNN, not YouTube, is the real author/publisher of the video!

While Wikipedia articles should be primarily based on secondary sources and should not be entirely about what people have to say about themselves, editors should pay attention to what people say about themselves: it's good background info and it can be used to cross-check info in secondary sources. In fact there are guidelines on when it is acceptable to use self-published statements about oneself (as in if Gronkowski wrote on his personal website that his middle name is not X): Wikipedia:Verifiability#Self-published_or_questionable_sources_as_sources_on_themselves

WhisperToMe (talk) 09:28, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

In regards to "TSN Tube" I found this article on Conor McGregor and Dana White from TSN's official website. It embeds a YouTube video which states that the author is TSN Tube. So therefore "TSN Tube" is The Sports Network's official YouTube channel, and the YouTube video Lubnasebastian linked to was actually a work of The Sports Network.

It's a segment of a program called "Cabbie Presents" by Cabbie Richards.

WhisperToMe (talk) 14:38, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Well then in this case, I'd lean more toward the TSN source and go with "James." It obviously complies with WP:BLPSPS since it was Gronk himself that said it, and it's not unduly self-serving. I'd still like to see a secondary source that confirms this, though. And PFR has been known to make mistakes, so we could contact them and ask where they got "Paxton" from. Lizard (talk) 18:03, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

It's his middle name. It is not the most important fact in the land. My take would be remove it until we find two reliable sources in agreement. John from Idegon (talk) 19:41, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

@Lizard the Wizard: @Lubnasebastian: @John from Idegon: I googled the full name and found this Article from The Daily Illini which states "Jimmy Graham isn’t the best tight end in the NFL because Robert James Gronkowski is." WhisperToMe (talk) 20:27, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

I'd take that source with the grainiest of salts, because 1.) No publish date, 2.) It was written by a college sophomore, and most of all, 3.) It's fantasy football related. If we haven't been able to track down a middle name after all this time, do you think a college student writing about fantasy football in a blog is gonna put in the research to figure it out? No, he's gonna go to Wikipedia. While there's no date of publication, it seems the article was written around the 2015 preseason. And this is what Wikipedia said Gronk's middle name was at the time. All that being said, I still believe his middle name is in fact James. But this source would be a weak supplement. Lizard (talk) 20:59, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

The article has "September 2, 2014" so that seems to be the date. WhisperToMe (talk) 21:06, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

Maybe it doesn't show up on mobile. But we still had James on September 1, 2014. Lizard (talk) 21:07, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

I'm now on desktop, and can confirm the date was missing on the mobile version of that article. Weird. But my other points still stand, that a fantasy football opinion piece by a college student doesn't do much as far as supplementing the TSN video. Lizard (talk) 03:31, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

After seeing Gronkowski state, himself, that his middle name is not Paxton, I was surprised this hasn't yet been changed. Then I saw, at the top of this thread, that the interview in which he himself says his middle name is not Paxton, was viewable this whole time. Why is it that the person themselves saying, on national Canadian television, "Wikipedia has it wrong", not all that is needed? WP:IAR should be used if there is any kind of policy preventing a famed person's actual name from being used, instead of a fake name. Cook's Kitchen (talk) 17:36, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

This 2018 NFL article says his middle name is James as does this 2016 Vice Sports article. Arbor to SJ (talk) 05:35, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

We generally rely on secondary sources, but when a person's name is disputed, their own statements generally take precedence. There's no reason to believe he isn't reliable regarding his own name. power~enwiki (π, ν) 20:06, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

The Sports Network is a reliable source, and the video of him clearly disputing the Wikipedia article should be reliable enough here. Unless he's just being goofy and doesn't want people to know his real middle name. I've added the video as a source in the lead. Eagles 24/7 (C) 23:49, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Gronk's 40 time

Pats fan here. Saw that his 40-yard dash is listed as 4.61 on the Pre-Draft Measurables table. This is false. Gronk ran a 4.68. Article is locked so i can't change it, someone please do. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.229.94.10 (talk) 17:35, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

This article needs semi-protection

A few hours ago, I posted a request for semi-protection on the appropriate page, “Wikipedia:Requests for page protection”. The reasoning being that there are pending changes on this page stacking up by dozens at a time before being reviewed by the authorized users (that’s not what pending changes protection is for, it’s for infrequently-edited articles where a high percentage of edits are disruptive), and the high rate of vandalism and disruptive edits. Oddly enough, there were admins who responded to and protected other pages well after I made my post, but never responded to my post or change the protection of this page. Are there any admins here who can do the semi-protection themselves or can alert an admin who can do it? Thanks in advance Mrbeastmodeallday (talk) 02:26, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Washington

please change ((Washington)) to ((Washington, D.C.))

 Done – Þjarkur (talk) 20:05, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

1560 SAT, really?

The only source for this claim is a low quality image of a school newspaper. I could edit the image to make it a 1600 in 10 seconds. Legitimate sourcing is required, or it will be removed. 2601:18F:4101:4830:52E:9914:611C:7C99 (talk) 03:30, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

Fix this page

The top is screwed up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WakandaForever188 (talk • contribs) 21:06, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

@WakandaForever188: The infobox has been fixed. Eagles 24/7 (C) 21:08, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

2020

Even if third party reliable sources are not enough, official NFL media is reporting the trade fyi Idan (talk) 21:11, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

@Zvikorn: Please see WP:RSBREAKING and WP:SPORTSTRANS. Just wait until the Patriots and/or Bucs announce it as official within the next day or so (hopefully). Eagles 24/7 (C) 21:13, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

The NFL reported it — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.78.72.114 (talk) 21:23, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Adam Schefter tweeted that Gronk has passed his physical and the trade is now official. I still believe it would be better to wait for an official announcement from the Buccaneers and/or Patriots to confirm. Additionally, when the trade does process, Gronkowski will still need to request reinstatement from the reserve/retired list in order to considered a member of the Buccaneers' active roster (for reference). Eagles 24/7 (C) 23:07, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Eagles247, in the meantime could you look at the middle name section on this talk page and let me know what you think? Idan (talk) 23:22, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

@Zvikorn: Thanks, I didn't see that discussion before. I've changed back his middle name and added a better source. Eagles 24/7 (C) 23:48, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

As I included in the article (and indicated above as likely to happen), the official transactions wire for April 22 says Gronk remains on the reserve/retired list after the trade to the Buccaneers. He needs to apply for reinstatement from the list in order to be activated. Eagles 24/7 (C) 22:07, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Status

@Maxen Embry: Team website rosters are often incorrect, or at best, inaccurate. Here's another tweet, this time from a veteran NFL writer who has access to the NFL transactions wire. The account you said was "unverified" is one of the most reliable sources on Twitter for transactions despite not having a blue checkmark. They took a screenshot of the official wire. Find me a source saying Gronk was reinstated from the reserve/retired list, which is absolutely necessary in order to be on the active roster per NFL regulations. Sports Illustrated said "The Patriots will have to send his rights to the Buccaneers who will need to reinstate him." The Boston Herald said "The Pats are sending Gronkowski’s rights to the Bucs, who will soon reinstate him as a member of their team." Eagles 24/7 (C) 15:51, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

@Eagles247: Provide sources that are reliable and verifiable by Wikipedia standards. Otherwise, this is just original research (WP:ORIGINAL). You can't just say "team website rosters are often incorrect/inaccurate" / "veteran NFL writer" / "one of most reliable sources on Twitter" / "screenshot of the official wire" without any other basis but your apparent knowledge of it. The official website of the team states he is in the active roster already and that outweighs every source you have. Maxen Embry (talk) 16:12, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

@Maxen Embry: My sources are writers and people who have access to the official NFL transactions wire. It's not original research, they said exactly what I've added. Additionally, I know that players on reserve/retired cannot be added to active rosters without first being reinstated from that list, so intuition tells me that there will also be a transaction coming for his reinstatement. NFL team website rosters are consistently inaccurate, and I know this from being a WikiProject NFL contributor for 10 years and 60,000 edits with a primary focus on this topic. You have one source saying he's on the active roster, I have two tweets from accounts that I trust as reliable given their exceptional track records when it comes to reporting on the NFL transactions wire, and multiple news articles stating he needs to be reinstated to the active roster after the trade. If anything, your source is not independent of the subject (WP:PRIMARY) since it's coming from his employer. What will end up happening here is in the next few days he will be reinstated to the roster, news articles will cover his reinstatement from the reserve/retired list, and then this discussion will be moot. Eagles 24/7 (C) 16:22, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Maxen Embry, I agree with eagles here.

Transfer wire overrides team roster Idan (talk) 16:22, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Give a verifiable transfer wire report then, because screenshots and tweets from unreliable sources and unverified users would not suffice. @Eagles247: The guy you cited never even had a byline from Sports Illustrated, SI just called him an "AllCardinals publisher" whatever that is. (http://apps.olin.wustl.edu/conf/OSBS/Files/pdf/Howard%20Balzer%20Bio.pdf) I don't care if Gronk's active or inactive, my problem lies with the sources and this apparent hierarchy of what overrides the other, especially when none of the sources Eagles presented so far even hold. Maxen Embry (talk) 16:30, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

"AllCardinals" is the new Cardinals subsection of Sports Illustrated, here is one of his articles for the publisher. For the record, Balzer has been one of the 48 Pro Football Hall of Fame selectors for at least 15 years ([1], [2]) so your belittling his credentials is unwarranted. This is the link to the official NFL transactions wire from yesterday. It is only accessible to credentialed media personnel, and multiple people who have access have reported the transaction. NFLTradeRumors took a screenshot from that link, and Howard Balzer reports transactions on his Twitter account there frequently. We could use that as a source, except it's not accessible to 99.9% of Wikipedia readers. Eagles 24/7 (C) 16:55, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Some instances of team website rosters being inaccurate: the Steelers placed Ryan Shazier on the reserve/retired list on March 17, 2020, and he appears on their website roster under "Reserve/Retired" because the team is pushing the idea that Shazier will forever be on their roster (IMO a PR stunt since he suffered a career-ending injury years ago). One day earlier, Ramon Foster was also placed on the team's reserve/retired list (ref) but he's not on the team website roster. My Philadelphia Eagles include Corey Clement on their list of Unrestricted Free Agents despite the official transactions wire stating he was not tendered as a restricted free agent and therefore his contract expired on March 18 (source). He is not an unrestricted free agent, and if he signed with another team would not count towards compensatory picks. Last season, the Redskins website announced Jehu Chesson was placed on the injured reserve list, despite being a practice squad member. The NFL transactions wire stated he was placed on the "practice squad/injured list" (completely separate) but the Redskins website roster listed him under Injured Reserve (discussion for context). These are just examples off the top of my head and with very minimal research, but I believe NFL team website rosters fall under questionable sources. Announcements by teams are generally reliable, but whoever these teams assign to update the rosters doesn't appear to receive much editorial oversight. Eagles 24/7 (C) 19:16, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

As I indicated, this is now a moot discussion since he was officially reinstated to the active roster today per [3]. Eagles 24/7 (C) 21:10, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 April 2020

Rob Gronkowski in 2015 hosted the BB Takeover and the 3rd Head of Household competition for CBS's Big Brother 17. Kevin nessler 29 (talk) 05:59, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Kevin nessler 29, could you provide a source? Idan (talk) 09:47, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. JTP ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:38, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

WWE

Dude signs a contract with WWE and there's only two sentences of him being a "special guest" on the show. This should be fixed. As with someone like Ronda Rousey, him switching sports and signing with WWE should be in the lead, and a professional wrestling section should be created detailing his signing with the WWE, record-setting 24/7 title reign, etc. Of course, any backstory that lead up to him signing a contract should be added as well. 184.157.24.18 (talk) 01:50, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Pretends to be military service member? Don’t understand the joke?

? 71.191.93.130 (talk) 02:42, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Photo of Camille Kostek

The inclusion of this image in the personal life section is disputed. It is currently in the article with the caption "Gronkowski's long-time romantic partner, Camille Kostek".
Please discuss below why it should or should not be included so we may form a consensus. ––FormalDude talk 06:00, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

• Courtesy ping: @Rockchalk717 and Randy Kryn. ––FormalDude talk 06:04, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
• Seems nothing wrong with the photo, a long-time feature of the page. Singular images of significant others, either photographs or paintings, are common on Wikipedia pages. Instead of having to defend its use this seems a case of having to explain why it should be removed. Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:14, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

@Randy Kryn: I originally wasn't going to say anything but I feel like I have to now. You keep claiming it's "common place" but yet in my 11 years of using Wikipedia I do not recall a single instance of a significant other's picture being included. Second, if it is true and I've just missed it or don't remember it, it's a pretty well established rule here that just because something exists on other pages doesn't mean it's right. Pick any random 100 articles and I bet every single one has at least one policy violation, minor or major, on it. And just because it's been on the article for a while, again, doesn't make it right. Finally, I don't see what the inclusion of her picture of her by herself adds to the page, especially since she has her own article with two pictures of her on it. If people want to know how she looks they can just go to her page.--Rockchalk717 00:01, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi Rockchalk717. I guess I don't see anything wrong with it, she's a big part of his life and him being in or not being in the picture doesn't seem important. Yeah, pictures of significant others (wives, husbands, long-term partners) are everywhere in artist and historical figures pages, probably in actors and many other types of pages as well. Before coming here I looked at Tom Brady's page and am surprised his wife's image is not included given her notability. Maybe others will comment here and have more knowledge about guidelines and such. Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 01:02, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

I agree with Rockchalk. I'd prefer not to have a photo of a significant other, especially a relationship which is still at the dating phase, added without the subject of the article included in said picture. It's just not an improvement in that case. Hey man im josh (talk) 11:37, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Spokespersons category

Hey man im josh, re WP:NOTDEFINING, people define Gronkowski as a football player, not a spokesperson, as its his football career that makes him notable. I don't imagine any sources refer to him as a spokesman, even though he is one. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:44, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

Hey @Muboshgu, I think people can be more than one thing. To those who don't watch football they may just see Gronkowski as a spokesperson whereas you and I primarily see him as a football player. It's tough to make an article where a person is notable for one thing mention what they're a spokesperson for without coming off as advertising. I did some googling and found a couple sources that do refer to him as one, 1, 2, and I'm confident with further searching I'd be able to find a good deal more as he is also the spokesperson for a CBD company. I'm not extremely passionate about keeping the category, so if you do feel strongly, go ahead and remove it, but I do believe that the category applies to him for many people. Hey man im josh (talk) 01:52, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

SAT score

Per IP's dummy edit summary: Gronkowski graduated from Woodland Hills in 2007 with a 3.75 GPA and 1560 out of 1600 SAT score. "1560 out of 2400" is wrong. It is 1600. I don't know much about SAT scores (being a Brit myself) but they appear to be out of 1600 or 2400 (depending on which high school?) which is not at all confusing (that's irony). I agree Gronkowski's SAT was 1560 on the 1600 scale - see this page - under "SAT and ACT Test Scores" hover over the tool tip ? and it says "Average SAT composite score out of 1600..." but in the source already included in the article (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ENE8oKDXUAA1LES.jpg), the guy pictured next to Gronkowski (Cameron Holland) had a 1640 SAT score, so is that one out of 2400? It can't possibly be out of 1600. So did he go to a different school that used the other SAT scale? That's just confusing as heck! Rodney Baggins (talk) 18:46, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

Gronk Post season yds and td’s

Gronkwowski no longer holds the record for post season yds and td’s. Those were broken by Travis Kelce in 2022 so an update to his opening bio should be made. Thanks. 2600:8807:8480:2070:4DC5:F0E5:6885:7E7E (talk) 19:13, 17 June 2023 (UTC)