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Conspiracy theories, citing sources

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Talk pages are no more of a place for nonsense like this than the articles themselves. Since you are citing to "online editions of Newsweek and Time", perhaps you could provide a link or two? Otherwise, I'm afraid it would be inappropriate for the above to remain on this page. Cheers! -- BD2412 talk 04:01, August 8, 2005 (UTC)

Talk pages are for talk and what's on them is appropriate as talk, removal of such would actually be much more inappropriate. Also, if you have issue with this, why not look up the links yourself and see whether such reports exist or are just rumors. That would be better than just whining about someone else's comment. Calicocat 04:31, 8 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
The anon poster of [a now-removed] above discussion has provided no links to look up except for TomFlocco.com, which you are free to evaluate. Of course, I have searched diligently for actual news sources, and can find nothing of the sort anywhere from Time, Newsweek, or any other new source. The above therefore seems to be sheer nonsense, and just because this is a talk page does not mean it is a safe harbor for a hoax or a joke. -- BD2412 talk 04:59, August 8, 2005 (UTC)
I see nothing here but rumor, speculation, and conjecture. It's a moot argument all the way around, until such time as the grand jury releases their findings, or Fitzgerald makes a public statement (don't hold your breath for that last one). Eclipsed 08:18, 10 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
The (unsigned) original post states that "Sunday morning online editions of Newsweek and Time are reporting" something that they were, in fact, not reporting. The post also says that the grand jury has returned indictments against "against President Bush, Vice-President Cheney, Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez, former Attorney General John Ashcroft, former CIA Director George Tenet, Presidential Senior Advisor Karl Rove, Presidential Chief of Staff Andrew Card, Vice-Presidential Chief of Staff I. "Scooter" Libby, imprisoned New York Times reporter Judith Miller and Vice-Presidential Senior Advisor Mary Matalin," and has "listed Supreme Court Chief Justice William Rehnquist and Justice Antonin Scalia as unindicted co-conspirators." The preceding are statements of fact which are simply not backed up (or even mentioned) by any reliable source, beyond speculation that Rove and Libby will be indicted. I have no objection to the reporting of actual provable facts (e.g. that Halliburton received $8 billion for work that no one can prove was performed, or that the Department of Education was using taxpayer funds to pay a news commentator to say positive things about the administration's education policy), but flights into non-reality discredit legitimate reports. -- BD2412 talk 22:04, August 18, 2005 (UTC)
It is indeed speculation. This link may be of interest in regard to whether it's legally possible for Fitzgerald to be removed. Rd232 15:46, 10 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Sure. This is the right place for insane commentary with no connection to reality. I personally read a story in The Interstellar Herald (look it up yourself, not my responsibility to cite my sources) that aliens from the planet Tralfamadore are controlling the US government through implants in politicians' kneecaps and are the ones actually responsible for the behavior anon described. In a related story in The Interstellar Herald, there seem to be an unprecidented number of cases of monkeys unexpectedly flying out of asses. M. J. Cooper 10:35, 18 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Personal section?

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The newly added personal section seems at best muddled and out-of-place in this type of article (what is the relevance of the cat story?). I also wonder about the sources mentioned but not cited. Perhaps the section should be removed or at least cleaned up. Splungist 13:01, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

  • The information in this section was heavily borrowed from one of the recent news articles about Fitzgerald–I believe that it was in the New York Times, but I'll look around. NatusRoma 02:26, 31 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I am going to research the cat story and some other personal details and re-add them to this article. I'm asking that you please not delete personal details, as the "legend" of Pat Fitzgerald is very much a part of his public identity. The press has treated him as a modern-day eliot ness, and his personal details in many ways make this an easier story to promote. The fact that the man sleeps in his office and is too absorbed by his job to be qualified to own a cat is indeed relevant. The quirks of other characters in american politics are relevant, why aren't they with this guy?

Where are the references or sources? List some or this section WILL be removed again! --JohnDBuell 11:28, 30 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

as stated above, there is an NYT article that mentions many of fitzgeralds quirks. There are others as well, but it is the major source. Question: if a media site requires registration to view a source, does wikipedia consider it a valid source?

In this case it's simply not just registration that's required, it would be payment required to read the full article online. Wikipedia requires verifiability, and I don't know how many editors will a) have access to other sources of copies of the New York Times from 2005 or b) be willing to pay US$5 to read the article online. But such references MUST be added when material is added, especially in biographies of living people (though that's true for every article). Under policies for biographies of living people, unreferenced statements will be the first to go, because of the potential that they can be construed as 1) unverifiable 2) original research or worst yet 3) potentially libelous. Please read over WP:BLP. --JohnDBuell 03:36, 10 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Here is a magazine article which tells what I assume you are referring to as the "cat story". --Padraic 19:52, 6 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Alleged Yellowcake involvement

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This section is not supported by any newsmedia source. I have searched both LexisNexis and Yahoo! News and have found nothing apart from Counterpunch to support Fitzgerald's alleged involvement with the yellowcake forgery. Please provide further verification. NatusRoma 07:22, 29 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

George Ryan

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I live in Illinois, and as much as we need Patrick Fitzgerald, he did not start the investigations of George Ryan. Operation Safe Road started in the mid-late 1990s. When I can find sourceable material, I will post it. However, it was under Patrick Fitzgerald that George Ryan was prosecuted and convicted. Wat Tyler 00:42, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Image

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Does anyone have another copyright free, fair use or government image of Patrick Fitzgerald? I added the one that I took from a DOJ website a year or two ago but the link is no longer active and so it will be deleted. --Daysleeper47 17:36, 7 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Just because the URL to the image is now 404 doesn't mean that it's not a free image. The PD-USGov-DOJ tag you did looks proper. I reverted the speedy deletion edit that User:Tom did. Jebba 04:38, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Speculation on Possible Attorney General Nomination" section

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This section is a bit weak on sources, isn't it? Just two given, both blogs, one of which (Fudge Yeti) seems to have disappeared entirely. 86.132.139.119 (talk) 18:13, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Speaking of people from Illinois named "Fitzgerald"

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Barack Obama's predecessor as a Senator from Illinois was one Peter Fitzgerald. A quick examination of the Wikipedia articles shows that the two Fitzgeralds are highly unlikely to be brothers: they were born a few weeks apart (in late 1960) in different states. (Of course we haven't seen the "vault copies" of their birth certificates yet, so we don't know for sure where either of them was actually born.... but I digress.) But, could they be cousins? They do have similar names and similar life stories. Timothy Horrigan (talk) 18:29, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

could there be plagiarism vinvorled??? Smith Jones (talk) 01:58, 12 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Source

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A new profile from The Telegraph. --Padraic 03:49, 12 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What happened to Fitzmas?

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Resolved

- problem recupated

Oh I see, now that the shoe is on the other partisan foot, the Fitzmas article disappears and is replaced by a re-direct to this article? Har! What a scam. Even so, the term "Fitzmas" is currently is use. Here's a current WSJ article with it in the title. [1] the "Fitzmas" article should be restored. 216.153.214.89 (talk) 23:51, 21 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I dont comprends your argument? Smith Jones (talk) 03:53, 22 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Fitzmas" is not substantial enough to stand as its own article, and never has been. When the only usage related to the Plame Affair, it redirected there. Now there are two usages, so the appropriate redirect is here. This article should have a section on the term, however. bd2412 T 04:34, 22 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

ugh does anyone have teh text from the original argicle. WE could caull some of the sources used in the old Fitzmas article for creationg of a separate section if it is desired by the consensus. User:Smith Jones 16:27, 22 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
If you click on the redirect for Fitzmas at the top of the article that will take you to Fitzmas where you can get its history. Americasroof (talk) 17:51, 22 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Seems like a bit of useless information, although the term could possible be put in a "See Also" section.--68.51.72.144 (talk) 17:05, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox

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I just trimmed the infobox which included laugh lines such as " Height = Classified" and "Place of Death = N/A". There really should be some sort of consensus on what does and doesn't go into an infobox.--Duffy2032 (talk) 07:25, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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