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this reads like an advertisement! bad tone! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:3BD8:4D90:98F5:19EA:DE0B:7BC8 (talk) 22:18, 8 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

What is their overhead?

When making donations to any charity (even indirectly), many people want to know what the overhead is...

Area of validity

Do they accept/serve foreign donors also or are the campaigns valid for U.S. contributions only? --87.147.188.236 (talk) 15:17, 12 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Article sounds like a PR Advertisement

"There is also merchandise, including T-shirts and autographed swag for sale that serve as additional entries"

"Omaze is an online fundraising platform that offers once-in-a-lifetime experiences and exclusive merchandise"

I don't think this conforms to wikipedia standards.

--Exat (talk) 19:17, 26 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Update on Omaze page

This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest was declined.

Hi there,

As discussed with Wiki editors Bonadea, I'd like to update this page, which is several years out of date. I have worked with Omaze on the text (which I have declared) and it is all confirmed as factually accurate by them. May I start with the first section?

It currently say this:

///Omaze is a for-profit fundraising company that partners with charities in fundraising events. To enter the draw for the prizes, financial contributions were encouraged, with 15% to 60% of the money going to the partner charity.

The company was founded by Charlie Cummins and Matthew Pohlson in 2012,participants are encouraged to make was privately ownein Los Angeles, California. The company has raised over $130 million for over 350 charities, including UNICEF, After-School All-Stars, Julia's House, Product Red, and Make-A-Wish Foundation.

While initially founded in the United States, the company ceased to operate in the country as of 2023 due to regulatory issues, though it remains active in the United Kingdom.////

But I'd like to update it to this:

///Omaze is an entertainment company with a social purpose.. It raises significant funding for charity organisations through its luxury-house prize draws in the UK, with a portion of the income raised going to charity.

American entrepreneurs Matthew Pohlson and Ryan Cummings established the organisation in the US in 2012. It initially specialised in celebrity-experience draws, before switching focus to UK house draws in 2020. Omaze has raised more than £51 million for good causes, as of August 2024./// SimonHem (talk) 08:06, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I should say, Omaze have confirmed that my new text is all factually correct. It has been checked with other sources too.

I have the sourced up text saved in my drafts, so can add that. SimonHem (talk) 08:10, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: Hi, this article is currently tagged for reading like an advertisement. That situation is going to be made significantly worse if phrases such as the following are to be included: "with a social purpose", "significant funding", "luxury-house", "celebrity-experience draws". On that basis I'm afraid I have no option but to decline this request, which appears to be solely promotional in intent.

Also, looking at your draft it would appear that much of the rest of your draft article is affected by a similar problem.

Please also note that there will be no place for the "Full List of UK Houses" or the "Full List of Ambassadors" as those lists are not encyclopaedic information.

I would also refer you to WP:PROMO.

Copying in user:Belbury who I see recently reverted an attempt to introduce a full rewrite of the current article text. Axad12 (talk) 17:43, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Aaxad,

I've removed any more promtional-style language from those lines. Would this be OK:

Omaze is an entertainment company that works with charities. It raisesfunding for charity organisations through its house prize draws in the UK, with a portion of the income raised going to charity.

American entrepreneurs Matthew Pohlson and Ryan Cummings established the organisation in the US in 2012. It initially specialised in celebrity-experience draws, before switching focus to UK house draws in 2020. Omaze has raised more than £51 million for good causes, as of August 2024. SimonHem (talk) 09:18, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Axad12,

I've removed any more promtional-style language from those lines. Would this be OK?

Omaze is an entertainment company that works with charities. It raises funding for charity organisations through its house prize draws in the UK, with a portion of the income raised going to charity.

American entrepreneurs Matthew Pohlson and Ryan Cummings established the organisation in the US in 2012. It initially specialised in celebrity-experience draws, before switching focus to UK house draws in 2020. Omaze has raised more than £51 million for good causes, as of August 2024.

SimonHem (talk) 13:56, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think we are still lacking a source for the figure of £51 million. Axad12 (talk) 14:16, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Axad12

We can put Mike Longden of Omaze VP Marketing for that stat. I got it from him direct (updating the previous stats on the page) SimonHem (talk) 15:31, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, unfortunately we can't.

Verification is required from published sources independent of the subject (for which see WP:V and WP:RS).

Readers of the encyclopaedia understandably expect that the information in articles is derived from high quality sources. I'm sure you'll appreciate that if Wikipedia was full of material verbally sourced directly from article subjects (or from article subjects' websites or press releases) then Wikipedia would be as unreliable as social media as an information source.

If the stat can't be sourced then unfortunately it will need to be removed.

I must admit to some surprise that you are undertaking paid work apparently without familiarity of basic Wikipedia policies and guidelines. It may also be worth your while to check out the policy on neutral point of view (WP:NPOV) before you redraft the rest of your proposed text. Axad12 (talk) 15:56, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Axad12

No problem. Here's a printed source:

https://fundraising.co.uk/2024/08/09/omaze-house-draw-raises-record-breaking-4mn-for-londons-air-ambulance-charity/

I know Wiki sources normally have to be printed, but as Mike Longden emailed me the correct figure, can that not be counted as such?

Best wishes

Simon SimonHem (talk) 13:46, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No it can't, sorry. And the source you provided is just another Omaze employee saying the figure so it still isn't independent.

Apologies but after your question above about whether an email is satisfactory as a source I am no longer prepared to offer any further assistance. Axad12 (talk) 13:52, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Axad12

This piece https://fundraising.co.uk/2024/08/09/omaze-house-draw-raises-record-breaking-4mn-for-londons-air-ambulance-charity/ is an independent source quoting an Omaze Apollo. Wiki routinely uses such sources.

On the email question, again, surely written confirmation from a source can be seen as reliable, just as quoting a company website is on Wiki? SimonHem (talk) 14:00, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Over the last few minutes I have stated that I am no longer prepared to offer any further assistance and I have asked you not to contact me again.

However, for the last time...

A printed quote directly from an employee is not independent. An email is not a reliable source any more than Twitter, Instagram or Youtube would be considered a reliable source. It is effectively the same as if someone informed you of something verbally.

Okay, that is now the end. Axad12 (talk) 14:07, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Axad12

May I update the text box on the piece. The source on all of it is the website.

Formation

September 2012

Founder

Ryan Cummins
Matthew Pohlson

Purpose

Entertainment company and charity fundraising

Headquarters

Cheshire, United Kingdom

Key people

Matthew Pohlson (CEO)

Website

[1]omaze.co.uk SimonHem (talk) 13:55, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, you may not update the article directly because you are a paid editor. You will need to wait for another volunteer to come along to approve the request and make the edit. Please do not contact me again. Axad12 (talk) 13:59, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Axad12

No problem. I'll wait for another volunteer.

Just a quick correction on my last message though: It should have read "quoting an Omaze employee" not ("Apollo") SimonHem (talk) 14:06, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

175.107.203.163 (talk · contribs · logs) dropped by yesterday to replace this article with a slightly polished version of SimonHem's version (compare the two here). User:Seraphimblade removed around half of this as being obviously unsourced and/or promotional, which Simon can take as further feedback on why his text is promotional by reviewing the page's edit history, but I will roll it all back as paid editing. --Belbury (talk) 09:17, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]