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Regarding the AI-generated image used on a previous revision
[edit]I recently removed an AI-generated image added to a previous revision of this article by Cerebrality. It contained multiple visual artifacts, and I thought it was below the quality standard of other images on Wikipedia. I realise that this could be a controversial edit, so feel free to contest this if you thought the image was suitable. Thanks, SupremeLordBagel (talk to me) 23:56, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- You said on my talk page that the reason why the image (below) deserved removal was that "It contains multiple visual artifacts, such as on the tree visible outside, the clouds surrounding the dream view, and the eyelid of the flying person"
- The tree in the background is not a problem. The clouds in the dream view illustrate that the dream-self is flying. The eyelid is the only problem. Once corrected, the image is a relevant and suitable lead image. More importantly, it accurately represents the article. Unless you have a better image for lead image, then (once the eyelid is corrected) this image should be it. Cerebrality (talk) 16:32, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- What is "the eyelid" issue? That her eyes are closed in the dream?
- The bubbles also need correcting; the "dream" thought bubble is emerging from her body, and it's unclear whether "I must be dreaming!" is something she is saying out loud in the dream, or a thought that her sleeping brain is having.
- But I'm not sure that a cheerful cartoon, whether drawn by an AI or a human, is really an appropriate illustration for a serious psychology article. Belbury (talk) 19:13, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- I agree that this shouldn't be in the article. Quality issues aside, the presence of the cartoon is jarring and doesn't usefully illustrate the article. Adding AI-generated images anywhere on Wikipedia is quite controversial as well and this is a particularly poor test case. MrOllie (talk) 19:18, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- I'm also in agreement. I don't think it would fit the encyclopedia regardless of whether or not it was generated using AI.
- In response to Cerebrality's points: I was referring to the lilac cloud border surrounding the "dream-view", upon which you can see unusual smudged lines and blurriness without having to look very closely. The tree in the background is noticeably blurry and garbled, and it is very difficult to make out distinct lines even when zoomed in. The issue I recall observing with the dream character's left eyelid was that it looked unusually blurry, but looking back it wasn't quite as bad as I thought it was. SupremeLordBagel (talk to me) 22:09, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- I agree that this shouldn't be in the article. Quality issues aside, the presence of the cartoon is jarring and doesn't usefully illustrate the article. Adding AI-generated images anywhere on Wikipedia is quite controversial as well and this is a particularly poor test case. MrOllie (talk) 19:18, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose for several reasons. 1) It's clip art - it doesn't add to the understanding of the article at all, it's just visual candy. 2) Like all AI images, it's low quality. Take a look at the ball of spaghetti hand or the foot merged into a cloud. 3) AI images are created by models trained by scraping huge amounts of copyrighted content without permission, and then regurgitating it. I don't think it's aligned with our mission as a free encyclopedia to use outputs of such models. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 19:31, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- I think your second point is good, but the other two are not.
- In response to point 1, it definitely adds to the article understanding as it clearly depicts a lucid dream moment of realization.
- In response to point 3, AI image use is not against any policy, and is actually welcomed at least on Wikimedia Commons. Cerebrality (talk) 13:15, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
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