Talk:Jonathan Bowden

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Any opposition to merging the Wikipedia article on the New Right organization?

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To merge New Right (UK) into Jonathan Bowden; merge as an alternative deletion; one of two viable targets (the other being cofounder Troy Southgate). Klbrain (talk) 20:07, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

he founded into this page? StrongALPHA (talk) 19:12, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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I need your thoughts StrongALPHA (talk) 10:08, 23 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see the point. Emeraude (talk) 09:10, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Then I have to assume your in favour of deleting the article, if you go to to the New Right (UK) page, you will see that asides from my suggestion that it should be merged into this article, there is a reminder telling editors that the article does not meet the standards of Wikipedia´s notability for organizations, then that article will be deleted eventually. There are certainly a few flaws with it, but because the information it is still mostly reliable, and because the most prominent founder of it is Jonathan Bowden, then why not merge it (and when I say merge it would simply become a section within the article on Jonathan Bowden)? StrongALPHA (talk) 09:33, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"will be deleted eventually" can mean tommorow or in 100 years, the tag on that article has been there for nearly a decade, you can find other articles on this website who have had that tag for such a long period of time. Though I would agree with a merge of that page into this if you can find stuff about Jonathan's specific contributions to it. Tweedle (talk) 11:35, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Jonathan was the founder of the group (which is already mentioned on the page twice), wrote several articles, and gave most of it´s speeches (I know this because most of the speeches which are mentioned on his archive are also on Youtube and if you watch them, many of them have real-time footage of him speaking with the New Right logo behind him). I´m going to merge the pages because there is a problem with the organization having a page of it´s own, but I don´t think that therefore all of the information on it, should just be deleted, which I am going to direct this point to @Emeraude for their somewhat glib response. I got to say with the exeption of Tweedle, the rest of the users out there are very lazy to comment on this. StrongALPHA (talk) 16:01, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The only reason I mention his specific contributions outside to founding it is that equally you could say it could be merged into Troy Southgate's article. Outside of that, I am not opposed to either way you wanted to do (though I see you have merged it into this article). Tweedle (talk) 16:26, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I´ll go through the archive of the New Right UK website, when I get the chance and add some of the things he wrote and said, with regards to Southgate, although he is still alive, he is simply less known about. Bowden on the other hand has a cult following on YouTube and Twitter from what I can tell. StrongALPHA (talk) 16:28, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@StrongALPHA It wasn't "somewhat glib". I genuinely didn't see the point in merging. Still don't. Emeraude (talk) 21:41, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Improve your reading comprehension and reread the last comment I sent with special emphasis on the fact that as a page it should have been deleted because it was an insignificant organisation, but that we wouldn’t all the information on it to simply be taken off, excuse me. StrongALPHA (talk) 21:53, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note I started a section at Talk:New Right (UK)#When did this outfit become defunct? to ask when this organization went defunct. If it died at or about the same time as Bowden, then that suggests focusing coverage of it into this biography. If, on the other hand, the organization outlived Bowden, then maybe not. – wbm1058 (talk) 01:29, 3 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Merger complete. Klbrain (talk) 20:07, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]