Talk:Irish Cave Rescue Organisation

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Accuracy of ICRO profile on Wikipedia

I suggest that the ICRO committee and PRO should be consulted on any changes to detail to ensure acuracy

Links to Journalistic articles etc should be included with care as many of these are inaccurate and contain personal information which the named individuals may not have consented to.

AdeEyto (talk) 15:04, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Declaring COI

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I am a volunteer Warden with the Irish Cave Rescue Organisiation and may be deemed to have a COI when editing the page for accuracy. AdeEyto (talk) 11:39, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 2024 proposed Edits

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Specific text to be added or removed: Corrections to Funding agency names in Northern Ireland and Republic of Ireland.
Reason for the change: to reflect new titles.
References supporting change:

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/856af1-the-national-search-and-rescue-plan/?referrer=https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/856af1-the-national-search-and-rescue-plan-2019/

https://www.justice-ni.gov.uk/articles/northern-ireland-search-and-rescue#toc-4 AdeEyto (talk) 12:18, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just a brief note to say that I have reverted your recent edits to this article because you have a declared COI and should only be requesting changes on the talk page and then waiting for other non-conflict users to approve and implement them for you.

If you have specific changes that you would like to request to the article text then please list the specific changes below (in the format "change x to y", etc.) for a non-conflicted user to review.

Many thanks, Axad12 (talk) 16:03, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also, with regard to your edit summary on 9th November re: bringing about Less reliance on journalistic sources, please note that Wikipedia is based primarily on what secondary sources say (i.e. newspapers) rather than on what primary sources say (i.e. organisations themselves). This is a built-in and non-negotiable feature of the encyclopaedia, designed to reduce dependence of non-independent sources. Further detail here can be found in the relevant policies, WP:V and WP:RS. See also WP:PRIMARY and WP:SECONDARY.

Regards, Axad12 (talk) 16:27, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Duly noted, Axad12

Thanks for these comments.

I will request additional changes be reviewed and approved by non-conflict users via the talk page.

It is challenging to provide reliable balanced newspaper sources for ICRO activities as Rescue incidents can often be reported on arguably in a sensationalised manner when they happen and often the journalists and editors do not fact check their own work before publishing.

I will however attempt to cite other reliable secondary sources such as government websites and open access publications.

Regards

AdeEyto AdeEyto (talk) 17:29, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ICRO Logo Change

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Irish Cave Rescue Organisation Logo 2024

Suggest a change in the logo to the one provided here.

This would reflect the ICRO Comittee approved logo from 2020 AdeEyto (talk) 19:08, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

as per ticket #2024111410007071. this updated version of the ICRO logo should be ok to replace the old one on the page AdeEyto (talk) 09:46, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

14th November 24 proposed changes

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Suggesting the following changes

#1

replacing

"The rescue organisation has 100 members, including general members who are available to help in any situation and those who have specific skills to assist a rescue, such as first-aid training and the ability to rig a cave."

with

ICRO has 16 Wardens and ~50 Core team members who have specialist training and skills in cave rescue rigging, first aid, remote casualty care, communications and rescue management. ICRO also has ~100 general members who are available to help in the event that a rescue needs additional personnel.

#2

replacing

"The organisation was previously funded by the Northern Ireland Mountain, Cliff and Cave Rescue Coordinating Committee (through Sport Northern Ireland and the Department of Culture, Arts and Leisure) and the Irish Coast Guard.

It is now funded by the Northern Ireland Department of Justice and a member of the Northern Ireland Search & Rescue Policy Group and the Northern Ireland Search & Rescue Practitioners Group."

with

ICRO is funded in Northern Ireland by the Department of Justice via Northern Ireland Search and Rescue (NI SAR)

In the Republic of Ireland it is funded by the Department of Transport and the Irish Coast Guard under the coordination of the National SAR Comittee (NSARC)

The organisation was previously funded by the Northern Ireland Mountain, Cliff and Cave Rescue Coordinating Committee (through Sport Northern Ireland and the Department of Culture, Arts and Leisure) and through the Irish Coast Guard in the Republic of Ireland. AdeEyto (talk) 14:34, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Take out the line breaks, the tildes and the external links, and provide refs. Then this might work.Sumanuil. _{(talk to me)} 05:23, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sumanuil. _{(talk to me)}

Hopefully this 2nd version of #2 is sufficient?

ICRO is funded in Northern Ireland by the Department of Justice via Northern Ireland Search and Rescue (NI SAR)In the Republic of Ireland it is funded by the Department of Transport and the Irish Coast Guard under the coordination of the National SAR Comittee (NSARC). The organisation was previously funded by the Northern Ireland Mountain, Cliff and Cave Rescue Coordinating Committee (through Sport Northern Ireland and the Department of Culture, Arts and Leisure) and through the Irish Coast Guard in the Republic of Ireland. AdeEyto (talk) 09:43, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Better. Anyone else have an opinion? (And you don't have to keep putting that template in, it's at the top of the talk page and that will suffice.)Sumanuil. _{(talk to me)} 10:06, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]