Talk:Gregory Peck/Archive 1

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Archive 1

Accent

Can anything be said about Gregory Peck's accent? I realize he does not truly have an accent, but he sounds very upper class or somewhat British. Everyone thinks he is a British actor. Did he have special training to improve the clarity of his speech? Or were his parents immigrants? Or was his family distinguished? Or is that the accent of Los Angeles?

~SunnyAndBeautiful —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.13.0.150 (talk) 20:37, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Terrible Article

Poor writing, loaded with opinions about Mr. Peck, rather than factual stuff. He was a great guy, and a great actor, but please, this is an encyclopedia! -- Terry J. Gardner (talk) 01:36, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Hey...how about The Omen in 1976?!? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.144.88.162 (talk) 18:07, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

So Fix It

"The Trial of the Catonsville Nine" is by Daniel Berrigan, not Philip. Fixed it. --151.199.16.234 00:56, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

I dropped this about his death:

...died at his Los Angeles home, with his second wife, Veronique, at his side."

If that is put back in it needs a source. I have read that Peck and Veronique had been quietly separated for many years - and even that she attended his funeral with her current companion. If I can find a source I'll cite it and note the article accordingly. Ellsworth 18:43, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I'm his daughter and I was also at home when my father passed. My mother Veronique was holding his hand and by his side all night, as she was all his life. My parents were deeply in love for 50 years, and your speculation that they had been separated is a preposterous and ignorant fabrication. I wonder why someone like you would print such lies. Can't you allow my father and mother their dignity and the memory of their true love? Cecilia Peck —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.189.109.231 (talk) 01:54, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Maddox reference

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=real_men Is this a relevant enough link to put on the page? Jackpot Den 02:54, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Of course it is. Karatloz 01:30, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

I do not believe it is

I think that there should at least be a mention or acknowledgement of the possibility. In college for a film course, we learned that his father was a closeted Armenian because it was very shameful to the public to have Armenian ancestory during those times.. Many lied and changed their names to fit in. Also there were Armenians in both England and The United States during the 1800s but again very shameful during those times. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.190.209.151 (talk) 14:48, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Pecks real birth date

Can 1916 be the correct year of Peck's birth? Actors often fudge this. My dad, Samuel G. Harter, went to San Diego High School with Peck and mentioned that he knew him. I know this to be the case because I looked in his copy of the Grey Castle (as it was called) yearbook and saw both Eldred Peck and my father in it. My father was born in 1910, so the annual (which I haven't seen lately) could have been for around 1927 or 1928 perhaps. If San Diego High then included freshmen through seniors, I suppose Peck could have been four years younger than my dad. If, however, it included grades now thought of as junior high or middle school, 1916 could be correct. George Weinberg-Harter 16:35, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

pic

I think we should remove the picture of the 2003 photo of Peck. First of all, no one remembers him well as a long, white-haired man with a mustache and sunglasses. I myself have never seen a recent photo of him, and remember him only as the prominent actor in "To Kill a Mockingbird" and "Guns of Navarone." We should replace the picture with a photo of him during his time of acting. Oyo321 03:47, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

That's ridiculous. This is an article about the man; the 2003 photo is no less Gregory Peck (it's worth mentioning that he did speaking tours around the world in his last years). Rhombus 07:16, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

The picture of Peck with the moustashe is not typical. There are many good other pictures of him: http://www.fishup.ru/files/a3/32/3a/lg_5888421_GregoryPeck.jpg http://katebauhaus.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/gregory_peck_in_roman_holiday_trailer.jpg http://www.doctormacro.com/Images/Peck,%20Gregory/Annex/Annex%20-%20Peck,%20Gregory_09.jpg —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.201.7.217 (talk) 20:29, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Screwy chronology

The article currently reads: "After graduating, Class of 1942 from Berkeley with a BA degree in English, Peck dropped the name "Eldred" and headed to New York City to study at the Neighborhood Playhouse. He was often broke and sometimes slept in Central Park. He worked at the 1939 World's Fair and as a tour guide for NBC's television broadcasting.

He made his Broadway debut as the lead in Emlyn Williams' The Morning Star in 1942. His second Broadway performance that year was in The Willow and I with Edward Pawley. Peck's acting abilities were in high demand during World War II, since he was exempt from military service owing to a back injury suffered while receiving dance and movement lessons from Martha Graham as part of his acting training. Twentieth Century Fox claimed he had injured his back while rowing at university, but in Peck's words, "In Hollywood, they didn't think a dance class was macho enough, I guess. I've been trying to straighten out that story for years."

So what is it? How do you graduate UC Berkeley in 1942 but debut on Broadway all while sleeping in Central Park? Did he go to New York in 1939? Something doesn't add up. Rhombus 07:16, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Ambassador to Ireland

There is no evidence of this interview to be found anywhere. In 1970 John Peck was appointed as UK ambassador to Ireland, he served until 1973. Is it possible that this is the origin of the Peck ambassadorship to Ireland? Forget for a minute that it is even a different country. Any insight? List of Ambassadors from the United Kingdom to the Republic of Ireland Liamfoley 16:21, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Have you contacted Irish America Magazine? WikiDon 17:24, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

I sent them an email. If someone has an account at their website, or a copy of the issue, they might have the article. WikiDon 17:54, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Re the statement "In 1970 John Peck was appointed as UK ambassador to Ireland, he served until 1973. Is it possible that this is the origin of the Peck ambassadorship to Ireland?" don't be ridiculous. It has nothing to do with Sir John Peck, who wrote about his ambassadorship later in Dublin from Downing Street. Johnson informed Gregory Peck that he had seriously contempted making the appointment. It is among the Johnson papers, and the Irish embassy papers from the period. Peck repeated the information frequently, including on interviews on Irish television.(I think he did it once on the Late Late Show, if I remember correctly.) It has since been repeated in articles about Peck in the Sunday Times, Sunday Independent, and featured in at least one Peck biography, but as it is at least 15 years since I read the book I forget the name of the book. At this stage I forget the date of the most recent time it was published, but it would have been in or around the date the comment was added into the article. The appointment obviously was killed off when the Johnson didn't contest the presidency and Nixon, who hated the man, was elected instead as president. FearÉIREANN\^(caint) 20:23, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

From Michael Freedland's biography of Peck: At a 1968 farewell party for President Lyndon Johnson at the Plaza Hotel in New York, "President Johnson appeared at their table -- and spoke to Veronique [Mrs. Peck]. 'Would you care to dance?' he asked.... As they danced, the massive L.B.J. bulk towered over her. But they did manage to talk. 'You know, Veronique,' he said. 'We both have something in common.' 'I'm honoured, Mr. President,' she replied, 'to know that I have something in common with you. What is it?' 'That we both love Gregory,' he replied, and then he added; 'If I had decided to run for another term, I was going to offer him the post of Ambassador to Ireland.' He then told her the consolation prize that he was able to offer. He revealed for the first time that he was giving Greg the Medal of Freedom, the highest civilian award in the country." Monkeyzpop 22:19, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

You forget a lot for something you are so sure about! The point of a discussion page is to discuss issues before they can be entered in the encyclopedia and take on some authority. What remains is there is no concrete evidence that Peck was ever offered an ambassadorship. Nice anecdote but wheres the substance? Liamfoley 14:35, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

If you take a moment and read the anecdote, you will find the substance lies in the fact that Peck WASN'T offered an ambassadorship, despite Johnson's erstwhile intentions to do so. The anecdote was offered to clear up the matter. I have little doubt that it did so for most people. Monkeyzpop 06:00, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Anecdotes are nice stories to share over a pint but they are not history and cannot be verified without first or even second hand sources. You have neither. I read the anecdote, sounds typically Irish, I want to see proof. Liamfoley (talk) 19:06, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Gregory peck is alumni of The Barter Theater in Abingdon, Virginia yet it is not listed anywhere on here or on IMDB? I wonder why?76.4.74.156 (talk) 03:22, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Thomas Ashe

Great to see this here- but it's only mentioned! I hate to sound a bit Irish here [mar dhea!], but does anybody know his precise relationship to Tom Ashe? Where have all the genealogists gone? 86.42.77.166 (talk) 07:05, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Youtube videos

Youtube videos should not be added to this article. Bellwether ^B _C 04:52, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Peck's death

To answer the editor who asked "What's oR?": OR is "original research," a Wikipedia no-no. It means everything (supposedly) has to have a citable reference work to back it up, or it's not allowable, even if it's true. But if you've seen the death certificate in a book, it's an easy matter to cite the book. Or you can cite the death certificate itself (using county reference numbers on the certificate). It's irksome sometimes, but it keeps people from filling up WP with stuff they "just know" but which no one else can confirm. Hope this helps. Monkeyzpop (talk) 23:49, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

WP:WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers priority assessment

Per debate and discussion re: assessment of the approximate 100 top priority articles of the project, this article has been included as a top priority article. Wildhartlivie (talk) 07:21, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

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GREGORY PECK WOULD NOT LEARN ARMENIAN LANGUAGE IF, ONLY IF HE DIDN'T HAVE ARMENIAN ANCESTRY.

SPECIALLY DURING HIS LIFETIME WHEN THE ARMENIAN POPULATION WAS SO SCARSE IN USA, AND NO ONE KNEW ABOUT ARMENIANS, SPECIALLY AFTER THE ARMENIANS WERE MASSACRED BY THE TURKS, ARMENIANS IMMIGRATED INTO USA IN A VERY POOR CONDITIONS, AMERICANS USED TO CALL THEM "STARVING ARMENIANS... BECAUSE OF THIS "COMPLEMENT" THEN FEW ARMENIANS WHO WERE IN USA, AND THOSE WHO WERE IMMIGRAGED WERE VERY MUCH ASHAMED OF THEIR ORIGIN AND NEVER ADMITED TO BE ARMENIAN. JUST 30 (THIRTY) YEARS AGO WHEN ARMENIANS IMMIGRATED IN U.S. DUE TO POLITICAL UPHEVALS IN MIDDLE EAST. THEN THEY LEARNED ABOUT THE 4000 (FOUR THOUSAND) YEARS OF RICH CULTURAL, RELIGOUS, ETC. HERITATE OF ARMENIAN NATION. JUST TO MENTION ONE, WHEN EUROPE WAS STRUGLING FOR FO0D AND SHELTER, ARMENIANS FOUGHT FOR THEIR RELEGOUS FREEDOM WITH PERSIANS (IRANIANS) IN 451 AD, YES, 451 AD.

SO...LEARNING ARMENIAN LANGUAGE SHOULD NOT BEEN BY CHANCE BUT HAVE IMPORTANCE AND WAS A LABOR OF LOVE TO HIS ARMENIAN HERITATE NO MATTER HOW SMALL THE PERCENTAGE IS, STILL STANDS HIGH AND BRIGHT.ZAROUHI PANDAZOS —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.214.178.71 (talk) 01:51, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Lack of World War 2 Military Service?

I'd like to see more information about why he was exempted from military service in World War 2. I guess he wasn't popular enough of a media celebrity to generate the animosity Frank Sinatra did for being an able bodied man of draft age, who was not the necessary and sole support of his family, who evaded service. Surely if he was fit enough to act on stage and in films, he was fit enough to serve in uniform in some capacity; in fact the article states the following:

"A physically powerful man, he was known to do a majority of his own fight scenes, rarely using body or stunt doubles. In fact, Robert Mitchum, his on-screen opponent in Cape Fear, told about the time Peck once accidentally punched him for real during their final fight scene in the movie, he felt the impact for days afterward."

Thus his not serving in this context is shocking. I'm surprised that more of an issue of this was not made at the time or thereafter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.17.117.146 (talk) 05:04, 20 May 2012‎ (UTC)

I'm amused that you were so shocked that you couldn't read the article properly. In the Acting career section it clearly states "...he was exempt from military service owing to a back injury suffered while receiving dance and movement lessons from Martha Graham as part of his acting training." I hope you're less distressed now. HiLo48 (talk) 05:51, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Sure I read that; my point is that it's simply not credible, even if he was able to find a doctor to sign off on it, given the context I described above. His back is so bad he can't serve in the military, but it's good enough for him to do stunts in Hollywood? Ditto for Frank Sinatra, whose situation was more publicized, causing him to be viewed by many as a malingerer who had used money and influence to get out of serving and who made millions while hundreds of thousands of other able bodied youths were were being killed and wounded. Thus I'm wondering if he faced any of the same controversy at the time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.17.117.146 (talk) 15:54, 6 June 2012‎ (UTC)

Armenian?

There is a story from the IMDB that Peck had some distant Armenian ancestry (which even if true would still not qualify him for Armenian-Americans, the ethnicity-American categories include only people 1/4 or more of that ethnicity). A couple of websites reposted that exact same IMDB quote (including adherents.com). But there is nothing else on the net to support this and the IMDB is complete, utter, absolutely undisputed crap when it comes to bio details like that. I've read a book bio of Peck and it didn't mention anything about any Armenian roots. Does anyone have a good source or know for sure? Vulturell 00:08, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Good point....but i keep hearing it by the Armenian community...once a story is told it sort of sticks and becomes fact...I think he has no link to Armenia although he did learn the language, maybe thats why the confusion arizes..

Actually he is listed as an Aromanian, not an Armenian.

The only information about his ancestry we got is the imdb page, Armenian forums and fan biography pages. I'm guessing the majority of this articles information was copied from those fan pages. [1] Vartanm 01:44, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

I definitely think it should be taken out--the probability that Gregory Peck's grandfather, born around 1865 in the USA, would have any Armenian ancestry is virtually zero. There is no reputable source supporting this, and as far as I can tell, none of the many intrepid celebrity genealogists on the internet even know the parentage of Samuel Peck. I'm taking it out. TMiscia 04:30, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

"Gregory Peck: a Charmed Life" by Lynn Haney states "Gregory Peck Sr. came from Rochester, NY. His mother [Catherine Ashe] was an Irish immigrant and his father was of English descent." Another source "Gregory Peck A Biography" by Gary Fishgall (mentioned in the article) states "There [Rochester, NY] she [Catherine Ashe] eventually met and married a young local of English descent by the name of Samuel Peck." 66.213.29.2 11:56, 12 October 2007 (UTC)Iwerdhon

Can I conclude that those of you, who denies Peck's Armenian ancesty, really find it ordinary and insignificant that someone of "strict" British-Irish origin and not a polyglot at all, started studying Armenian in his middle ages? Not French, Spanish, Chineese, German, Japanese, Arabic, Russian, etc but Armenian! 212.34.225.50 (talk) 14:20, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

@212.34.225.50: Firstly, you are responding in a discussion section that hasn't been active since 2007. Secondly, more important that figuring out whether Peck's language interests are "ordinary and insignificant" or not, are Wikipedia's rules about what sort of content should be included. It is not our duty as editors to make deductions or draw conclusions based on flimsy evidence. What you are proposing is that we assert Peck's Armenian ancestry on the basis that we all personally find it unusual that a middle-aged guy would start studying Armenian. That is classic original research and that's not how encyclopedia's work. If Peck had Armenian ancestry, find a reliable source that asserts that fact. Until then, it's all rumors and whispers. Anecdotally speaking, I knew a 20-something Thai girl who studied Armenian for no other reason than she was interested in the culture. So maybe it is weird that British-Irish Peck studied Armenian, but also, maybe it isn't. Who knows, he could have just wanted to be sure he got the best lahmajun from his local bakery. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:03, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Sorry to contribute to an old discussion, but my grandmother was Peck's first cousin. At some point in her life she had an extensive genealogy done, and nowhere in there was there any hint of Armenian ancestry, only English and Irish (as far as I can remember). Unfortunately I don't have a copy of the genealogy with me, but I also read the Armenian ancestry story and thought it was strange as no one in my family had ever mentioned such a thing. I actually just came here because I saw that the snippet about it on IMDb had disappeared. 68.110.5.63 (talk) 06:08, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Was she his maternal cousin? Because his maternal ancestry is supposed to be Irish-English, the Armenian ancestry rumors come from his paternal side. --Steverci (talk) 19:59, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Assessment comment

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Gun Control Advocate

Says who? My whole life I was told that Gregory Peck owned guns and loved them with a passion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.22.162.119 (talk) 08:55, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

The little bracketed numbers that occasionally appear after a line of text are links to references. After the line about Peck being a gun control advocate, there was a link to a reference. I've since added a second link to a reference. So the answer to your question, "Says who?" is "The references." Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:46, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

So Peck argued against the Vietnam War, but supported his son who served? So what did Peck do for Vietnam veterans generally? Probably, like almost all from his generation, the answer is nothing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.44.238.77 (talk) 02:56, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

John Peck Footnote

It is being overlooked that the oldest son of Gregory Peck considered the options available to youth as he approached draft eligibility, and he chose to enter the Peace Corps. His tour of service to humanity was in the African nation of Malawi. When his time was up, John Peck climbed Mount Kilimanjaro with some friends. This deserves as much recognition as the military service of his brother - with whom this writer had correspondence many years ago. --Edward Chilton — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.82.56.3 (talk) 09:47, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

Revisiting Armenian background

Gregory Peck's 1/4 Armenian ancestry is supported by Geni.com, which confirms the account his part Armenian second wife encouraged him to learn the language to rediscover his roots and that his paternal English and Irish ancestry both come from his grandmother. He's also a distinct Thomas Ashe. Geni is a very reliable source and contains lots of background information about Peck, and I believe it is significant enough to site and Armenian background in the article, which seems to have been included in the past. --Steverci (talk) 03:26, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Barev Steverci, the page you have linked to appears looks to me like it contains a copy/pasted earlier version of this article, for instance something created around 2007, based on the language of the intro paragraph and an explanation of Armenian ancestry on his paternal side. (Finding the exact version of the article would take quite a while...) A reliable source by Wikipedia's standards suggests that there is some clear editorial standards and oversight, and I don't know that Geni.com has clear editorial guidelines for its prose. Isn't it mostly a user-contributed site anyway? If so, that would preclude it from being considered reliable for our purposes, like IMDb is typically not considered reliable, and even Wikipedia itself could not be used as a reference. Hope that helps. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 05:02, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Cyphoidbomb According to Geni's policy, only employees and admins can edit public profiles of famous people; user-contributors mostly make files about their own families. Since this website was created in 2006, it's possible Wikipedia was the one who copied from Geni. Geni doesn't seem to have an edit history like we do, but the link I just gave shows it does in fact have standards and guidelines. --Steverci (talk) 15:14, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

@Steverci: I don't see where on the page it says that only Geni employees can edit public profiles of famous people. I see the table where under "Public figures" it says that Your Collaborators, Your Relatives, Geni Curators and Geni Employees can edit the profile. That doesn't imply in any way that there is clear editorial oversight (i.e. aggressive fact-checking like newspaper and book publishers perform) over the prose content in the profile. Geni Curators, according to that page, are volunteers, just as we are volunteers, and if the family and "collaborators" are able to edit the article, how is it any different from any other user-contributed site? You could bring this up at the Reliable Sources Noticeboard and ask the community to weigh in on whether or not Geni.com would be suitable for inclusion, if you'd like. But you might want to look at these discussions first: [2][3] and [4]. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:13, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

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What else is missing?

This page makes no mention of Gregory Peck's role in the old soap opera General Hospital. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.100.112.29 (talk) 03:53, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

His son's suicide is missing as well. ♆ CUSH ♆ 03:10, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

And no mention of the 1965 film Mirage. Jonathan108 (talk) 18:17, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Pork Chop Hill

Text in reviews describing Pork Chop Hill: Crowthers –“ standard elements as directed by Milestone are realistic and effective.” “grim and rugged film” Variety-“grim, utterly realistic”; “the accent is on combat…(the soliders) look real, they sound real” Maltin-gritty combat fill Timeout- Details battle brilliantly; . Impressive, TV Guide - “grim, harrowing film”;“authentic and memorable cinematic experience, project a grim realistic air ““Photography depicts the heroic battle in such stark detail that the viewer can almost smell the acrid fumes of cordite and taste the dust blown from the dead ridge.” Powerful. TCM-“told with a hard-nosed style of harsh realism and fluid action” Radiotimes-action scenes terrific; definitive Korean war movie;

Equals “critics agree it is powerful, gritty, grim and utterly realist rendering of battle action.”

IMHO, the sources you’re citing don't really support agreement per se. Why not just find one source that supports the overall critical response to the film? If there is absolutely no available source that describes the overall critical response, we should probably not try to piece something together from a handful of reviews. It is okay for an encyclopedia to leave certain things out. In fact, it should leave those things out when the sources are insufficient to say what we're hoping to say. Larry Hockett (Talk) 19:40, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

To add one thing to what I said above, WP:SYNTH is the guideline that instructs us not to combine references to reach conclusions not supported by the individual references. Larry Hockett (Talk) 20:09, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Larry - I did a big comparison of the various words in the 7 reviews. From that I decided to remove "powerful" and "utterly" from the wording I used. I am totally satisfied the remaining text represents what all 7 highly credible reviews say (that I have used for all films - Allmovie and Tookey had no review of it and Thomson, Gebert, had no real evaluatory comments) I showed the comparisons by using coloured-highlighted text but colour does not show up in here, so I am not inserting it and redoing it in bold or larger size or italics - I only have so much time. In your last 2 comments I think you are misinterpreting wikipedia's policy. As well, I will say again many, many other articles have statements that are not properly supported all over the place. As well, I do not think providing the views of only one critic like many articles do (and you seem to be saying) is proper - sometimes the wikipedia writers who like an actor just chose the one good quote about the particular movie - that is wrong and does not follow the policy on representing all points of view proportionate to the amount they are held. The only reason I am adding all these quotes as opposed to a summary of their comments with selected quotes is because JennaBlurs insisted I should. (i.e. that I should not paraphrase the reviewers or summarize each one without giving all the text) Of course, a certain policy says paraphrasing is fine, but not according to her.

WP:SYNTH has some very clear statements, and a number of your edits have been inconsistent with those ideas, and that's all I’m pointing out to you. The rest of this comes across as whining to me. We know that other articles are out of compliance with the guidelines (fix those, as you have a chance), and no one cares whether another editor is encouraging you to edit outside of the guidelines. Larry Hockett (Talk) 01:02, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

No, I said no such thing, you blame me for your misrepresenting of policy again. Claim your edits. You purposely misspell my user name to hide while doing it, to suggest I "told you to do something", these are your edits that you do! Stop using me as an excuse. You attack me on my user page, then use me to a back up your acts? I have no clue as to your idea of policy but you are using the same schtick on Larry that you used on me.Jennablurrs7575 (talk) 09:21, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

I have been patiently waiting for a chance to apply my edits, as alluded to in my comment to Informed_analysis' talk page, but this misunderstanding has led to this article resembling nothing like any other I have seen. Any chance of an end to this madness and the mess tidied up so we can return to some kind of normality? 82.14.227.91 (talk) 21:00, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

Not a biography

This article isn't really a biography, but rather a series of poorly-written capsule reviews, replete with all the tired hyperbole of publicists' press releases; it's virtually unreadable. It needs to be radically trimmed and have some actual biographical information put into it. The review stuff should be taken out and put into the pages that deal with those films, rather than bloating this page to unmanageable proportions. Theonemacduff (talk) 17:02, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

I wish you good luck effecting any change in that regard. We are still stumped by WP:V at this entry, not to even mention issues of tone or undue weight. Larry Hockett (Talk) 17:14, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

contemporary reviews

A massive chunk of text on the page is dedicated to the opinions of contemporary film critics regarding Peck's films and performance. Is this truly integral to the biography? I've never really seen the same occurrence happening in any other film actor's page.--Bettydaisies (talk) 07:39, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

I think both contemporary and modern opinions are encyclopedic and it appears that all/most of the review opinions are specifically about Peck rather than the film in general. (I did notice that "contemporary" was being used in the article to refer to present-day, when the primary meaning is "at that time", so I switched the language to "contemporary and modern reviewers".) What I see as the fuzzy line is how much detail about individual films belongs in this biography as opposed to the article on each film. But I don't think there's an easy right-or-wrong answer there. Schazjmd (talk) 17:22, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Some of the information already duplicates content in the specific film article. Any reviews that do not mention Peck, the role played, or the acting, but focuses on the director, set design, cinematography, etc. can readily be moved to the individual films w/o any detriment to this article. (Also, some editor seems to have been under the impression that when it refers to a New York Times review, it must mean Crowther; but it might also be A.H. Weiler.) Manannan67 (talk) 05:11, 24 December 2020 (UTC)