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Stalin's Statue

I'd be willing to travel to Georgia just to see that statue. Really, I'm curious as why the city kept it, or more - why it was spared the purge of the other relics of the Soviet past. Shadowrun 09:01, 4 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The answer is in your post. :) The statue brings money as it is Gori's most famous tourist attraction.--Kober^Talk 12:36, 5 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

South Ossetian Conflict

Reports are that Russian Su-25's have bombed Gori on August 8th, 2008. Does anyone have more detailed information and sources on this development? 164.67.237.253 (talk) 22:52, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Actually they are inside Gori now--Mustafaahmedhussien (talk) 20:19, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There is no clear statements in the references about cluster bombs. Should the mentioning be deleted? 77.241.36.5 (talk) 17:51, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Name

Is there any connection between the name of this Georgian city and the Russian word горы (gory, mountains)? Or is that just a coincidence? —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 19:08, 9 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

According polish wikipedia the name is derived from georgian name of the fortress Goris Ciche (Fortress on the hill).--ALadinN (talk) 20:58, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Спасибо. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 02:15, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Another (better) translation of 'Goris Ciche is The fortress of Gori. [1]

This name contein no "gory" :-) You have to ask on georgian wikipedia. --ALadinN (talk) 21:00, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"gori" or "gora" in Georgian means small hill, but in Russian it means mountains. Russian noun is plural as Georgian singular. As the fortress of Gori is located on the small hill, from it is the name I think (no sources sorry). --Rustavizauri (talk) 23:38, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Очень интересно (very interesting). Especially since Georgian and Russian are in different language families, so it looks as if one language borrowed a word or root from the other at some point. I wonder if there's an etymological joke in there somewhere: something like "to a Russian, they're mountains, but to a Georgian, it's a small hill". But now I'm heading into WP:FORUM territory. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 03:58, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Stalin cult

It never ceases to amaze me that in certain parts of Russia and other ex-Soviet countries, thoroughly discredited Soviet leaders retain respect and fame. Iosef Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili, better known as Stalin, may be the most famous Georgian ever, but he was a monster. Yet, in connection with the current Russo-Georgian conflict, I read that Gori still has a "Stalin Square."

It's not known for certain who was responsible for more deaths, Hitler or Stalin — but can you imagine the international outcry if Linz had a "Hitler Square" or a statute of the "Führer"? I just don't get it!

Sca (talk) 18:27, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Apropas, an English-language article on Spiegel Online, of 13 August, includes the following:

The market square in Gori feels like a ghost town. The silver statue of Stalin that stands in the center of the square glows in the mid-day sun. The Soviet leader was born here, and he is still a symbol of the old empire. There is even a museum honoring the brutal dictator -- right in the heart of Georgia, a country that has been at war with its overpowering Russian neighbors for days.

Yet, ironically the huge Stalin statue was left undamaged by this war.

(Link: http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,druck-571823,00.html)

Ironic, indeed. Sca (talk) 14:16, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Pronouniation

Can someone put up an IPA pronunciation key please? --Selket ^Talk 20:45, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The bombing is a disinformation or truth ?

The bombing reported news seems in most cases as a big lie from the media of west (I am not a Russian, lives in west), russiatoday.com has given filmed reports from inside of Gori with not much damaged city, rather a city in conservation until the Georgian troops can take over the control.

Watch the video news report here and decide self how much truth it is. http://www.russiatoday.com/news/news/29033/video —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.225.151.180 (talk) 20:53, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.hrw.org/english/docs/2008/08/20/georgi19660.htm

http://www.hrw.org/english/docs/2008/08/14/georgi19625.htm

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article4514749.ece —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.109.167.55 (talk) 05:39, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Who works in HRW and Times? Of course, USA and british. Both nations have stereotypes of smth like this: "Saakashvili is a very good democrat and Putin is a very bad KGB agent". SkyBon^{Talk\Contributions} 18:24, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Gori shelled by Georgian forces?

What a bullshit? Who wrote this idiotism? The article is locked. Be so kind to correct this nonsense.--93.177.151.101 (talk) 15:03, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Gori is not bombed by the Russian Air Force. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.168.222.150 (talk) 21:59, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

user:SkyBon keeps deleting sourced information about Russian bombing of the residential areas in Gori. The Human Rights Watch has alos demonstrated these facts. Am I the only one who's interested in defending this article against vandalism? --93.177.151.101 (talk) 18:09, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

When article content that is referenced/sourced is deleted because of POV, this is considered vandalism, and UserSkyBon should be warned accordingly. If the user has sourced information disputing the contents of this article, then this information can be added to show that there is a controversy. However, in no case is it acceptable behaviour to simply delete referenced information/content simply because we personally do not agree with what the content states. --MChew (talk) 09:04, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No, vandalism is disruption of Wikipedia for no reason other than the sake of disruption. POV-based edits are not vandalism, but a NPOV dispute. Not that this justifies SkyBon's pointless revert warring. --Illythr (talk) 11:37, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

About

he city was founded by one of the greatest kings of Georgia, David the Builder (1089–1125). It has a population of 60,000. Gori is situated where the Liakhvi River enters the Mtkvari. The city was largely destroyed in the 1920 earthquake. how to apply make up —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.79.55.15 (talk) 19:05, 22 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

cluster bombs

Georgia's government has officially recognized the use of cluster bombs against russian targets during the conflict.(Грузия признала факт использования кассетных бомб в Южной Осетии Известия.ru]) It is a fact. Please do not delete important and neutral information. The rest - an excuse. Russia did not recognize. It is also a fact. ( not in Gori & in Gori . It is politic and excuse) --PlatonPskov (talk) 19:06, 7 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"It is politic and excuse"? No, it's actually WP:SYNTHESIS on your part. The article is about Gori and Georgia acknowledged cluster bombing of—as you correctly put it—Russian targets north of Tskhinvali. To the best of my knowledge Gori did not include Russian targets. This is the fact. The rest is "politic and excuse" plus WP:SYNTHESIS.--Kober^Talk 19:19, 7 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No, it's actually WP:SYNTHESIS on your part. Georgia has acknowledged that, as the use of cluster bombs. Russia has not recognized the fact, as it does not use bombs. That is enough. ///sorry for my english/// --PlatonPskov (talk) 19:24, 7 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

+ Phrase is neutral - "Later, Georgia has officially recognized the Georgian aviation use of cluster bombs." Without this phrase creates a false impression that only Russia has used cluster bombs (but Russia has not recognized this fact). Without this phrase creates a false impression that Georgia has not used the bomb ever. I beg to observe neutrality. --PlatonPskov (talk) 19:44, 7 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I know what your "neutrality" means. Your reasoning is hardly convincing for someone coming from Georgia and way too much familiar with the Russian propaganda. You're intentionally trying to make the passage ambiguous to create a false impression that Georgians bombed themselves and then accused Russians of doing that. That's something Russians did during the 1993 bombing of Georgian positions in Abkhazia, when your defense minister Grachev advanced claims that Georgians painted their jets in Russians colors and then bombed themselves. So your tricks won't go here. Wanna mention Georgian use of cluster bombs? Fine. Then add what your own source says: the location and timing of cluster bombing during the war. That's not only the only possible compromise but your only chance to clear yourself of accusations of WP:SYNTHESIS and tendentious editing. --Kober^Talk 04:20, 8 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

In your propaganda will not get involved. Just the Facts. That's not only the only possible compromise but your only chance to clear yourself of accusations of WP:SYNTHESIS and tendentious editing.= Black is white, white is black - your technique. You deliberately imagine that only the Russian and the use of cluster bombs - Your "neutrality" is falsification. I know what your "neutrality" means. Your reasoning is hardly convincing for someone coming from Georgia and way too much familiar with the Russian propaganda. You're intentionally trying to make the passage ambiguous to create a false impression that Georgians bombed themselves and then accused Russians of doing that. That's something Russians did during the 1993 bombing of Georgian positions in Abkhazia, when your defense minister Grachev advanced claims that Georgians painted their jets in Russians colors and then bombed themselves. So your tricks won't go here.- Wikipedia is not a soapbox or means of promotion. Neutrality is neutrality. --PlatonPskov (talk) 15:57, 8 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I repeat the phrase again - "Later, Georgia has officially recognized the Georgian aviation use of cluster bombs." - Without this phrase creates a false impression that only Russia has used cluster bombs (but Russia has not recognized this fact). Without this phrase creates a false impression that Georgia has not used the bomb ever. --PlatonPskov (talk) 16:28, 8 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This is an article about the town Gori. Usage of cluster munitions in Gori by Russian forces (as reported by HRW and disputed by Russia) is relevant to this article. Usage of cluster munitions by Georgian forces elsewhere is not. --illythr (talk) 22:40, 8 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This is an article about the town Gori. Usage of cluster munitions in Gori is relevant to this article. So usage of cluster munitions by Russian forces (as reported by HRW and disputed by Russia) and usage of cluster munitions by Georgian forces is relevant to this article. Or so:: "Later on, Georgia has officially recognized the use of the Georgian aviation cluster bombs, but only against Russian forces.".--PlatonPskov (talk) 19:41, 9 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Did Georgia recognize its own usage of cluster munitions *in Gori*? --illythr (talk) 20:06, 9 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

again? Georgia has acknowledged its use of cluster bombs as a whole, and then specified that "only against Russian forces". And this is important. If Russia does not recognize as a whole, and therefore not recognized in Gori. So: Georgia has officially recognized the use of the Georgian aviation cluster bombs, and then specified that, but officialy «only against Russian forces» --PlatonPskov (talk) 21:09, 9 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Unless you can provide a reliable report documenting the use of cluster munitions in Gori by Georgian forces, this sentence does not belong here, as per WP:SYNTH. Instead, it belongs to the appropriately general article, 2008 South Ossetia war, where it is already mentioned in detail. --illythr (talk) 21:48, 9 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, but officialy «only against Russian forces» --PlatonPskov (talk) 22:27, 20 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

As long as Georgian usage of cluster munitions was not specifically in Gori and was not mentioned in the context of Gori by reliable third-party sources, it has no place in this article at all. В огороде бузина, а в Киеве "Буки". I can explain this in Russian if you want, but as an experienced ruwiki editor, you are surely aware of ru:ВП:ВЕС (WP:UNDUE) already. --illythr (talk) 23:07, 20 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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