Talk:Gerald Koocher

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Edit warring must stop

The reverting and counter-reverting needs to stop, or the result will be that the page gets protected and perhaps some editors get blocked. The subject of this article should refrain from editing it, but rather should use this talk page to point out inaccuracies and/or inappropriately sourced material and ask for editors to remove them. Self-edits only complicate the situation, as they inevitably give rise to suspicions of conflict of interest. Wikipedia has a strong policy of protecting the neutrality of articles that are biographies of living people, but when the subjects or their representatives start edit-warring, arriving at the correct solution becomes much more difficult. Looie496 (talk) 14:59, 13 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Let me add that in my view the Hoffman report is a primary source and should not be used directly as a source in this article. However coverage of the report in reliable secondary sources such as the New York Times, if it specifically discusses Dr. Koocher, would justify discussion of the material here, per Wikipedia's policy on reliable sources. Looie496 (talk) 15:30, 13 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Edits of August 20, 2015

A series of edits were made today by Rubberbub (talk · contribs), mostly concerned with re-adding material about the Hoffman report. I trimmed a substantial amount of this, because it essentially amounted to muckraking, pulling together anything that would make Dr. Koocher look bad. However I did leave in place a paragraph giving basic information about the Hoffman report and Dr. Koocher's role in it, because these things drew coverage in major national media. I also, however, added a pointer to a response written by Dr. Koocher and a colleague.

In addition I removed a small section about Dr. Koocher's actions as president of APA. The material was relatively innocuous, but it did not cite any reputable published sources. It's clear that the only way to keep this article decent is to toe the line of Wikipedia's sourcing policies.

I repeat my earlier call to any interested parties to discuss issues here on the talk page rather than edit-warring in the article. Looie496 (talk) 13:11, 20 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Looie496. It looks much better now. Rubberbub(talk) 14:24, 20 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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This article has non-Hoffman problems

While there are questions about the Hoffman materials, at least they insert reliable third-party sourcing into the article. Other than that, things in this article are sourced either to Hoffman himself or an organization which he led. This improperly sourced material includes boastful claims. Worse yet, there's an infinitely-long "awards" section with not a reference in site, and it's filled with junk like "associate editor" which should never been in a section on awards even if sourced. I'm avoiding article edits these days, but it seems to me that as long as folks are here dealing with the Hoffman matters, one can aspire to source things, or at least flag things that are unsourced or improperly sourced, delete many or all awards, and hey, section headers get Sentence case rather that Title Case. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 19:51, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]