Talk:Georgia Republican Party

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Trumpism

The infobox says the political ideology of the party includes Trumpism, is this the offical position of the party, has it been attributed to the party by non party members, if so shouldn't this be pointed after it states Trumpism and provide a source, or is it vandalism.

--NDNSWMI (talk) 12:47, 14 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

Much of the recently added material looks fine, but I am finding some copyright violations and will go ahead and remove what I see. This material can be replaced if it is rephrased completely; the source should be the way a reader verifies the information is correct, and the way it is phrased in the source should bear no resemblance to the way the information is stated here. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 22:38, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'm also removing citations to Republican Party (United States) -- we can't use Wikipedia as a reliable source, I'm afraid. However, if that article itself correctly sources the information needed, then you can check those sources and use them to source this article, so it may still be helpful. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library)

Finally, a note on the ideology section. This is not particularly useful in a state party article, because the platform rarely varies significantly from the national platform. Take a look at Talk:Kansas Republican Party for a related discussion and an example of how to approach this. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 00:55, 25 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

History section

Mitchell, first there are a couple of things you might take a look at. This is a gadget that shows overlap in text between two pages; I gave it this page, and the source for the first para of the history, and you can see that there are some long strings of words that are identical. Please also have a look at this which gives an overview of the rules, and this. It sounds from your post to me that you know you have to rephrase in your own words, but you're not going far enough. It doesn't mean "take the sentence and reword it with some synonyms and slightly different grammatical structure"; it means "relate the information in a completely independent way, using the source text to give you the information to relate".

I'll try to do the reworking for you for that first history paragraph so you can see what I'm talking about -- I'll post something here in a few minutes; it'll take me a bit. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 02:37, 29 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Current paragraph comparison

Here's the current paragraph from the article, and the source following it, with identical sections in bold, and very similar sections in italics. The article:

Immediately after the Civil War, the Union installed a Military General as Governor of Georgia during Reconstruction. At the time, African Americans made up 44% of the state, many who made dominated the Georgia Republican Party. They formed a coalition with whites from the northern mountainous part of Georgia to take control of the state legislature and elect Rufus Bulloch to be the states first Republican Governor in 1868. In 1871, Governor Bulloch fled into exile before he was impeached. And at that time, the Lieutenant Governor position was not formed so the President of the Georgia Senate, Benjamin Conley, took control of the unexpired term and became Georgia's second Republican Governor. Unfortunately for Mr. Conley, a special election was called just 72 days later and he was replaced with a Democrat.

and the source:

Immediately after the Civil War, the federal government installed a military governor in Georgia during Reconstruction to manage the state. At this time, the Republican Party was made up of blacks (which were 44% of the state’s population) and whites from the mountainous northern part of the state. This coalition of mountaineers and former slaves managed to take control of the state legislature and elect Rufus Bulloch as the state’s first Republican Governor in 1868. But, in 1871, Bulloch fled into exile before he was impeached. Georgia had not created the office of lieutenant governor so the President of the Georgia Senate, Benjamin Conley, inherited Bulloch’s unexpired term and became Georgia’s second Republican Governor. He served just 72 days before the legislature called a special election and replaced him with a Democrat. Republicans were rare in Georgia until after WWII.

I think anyone reading one of these paragraphs after the other would have a hard time thinking that the text of the article was formed by an independent thought process; it really is too much like the source. I'll post this and then try to show you what a reworking of the paragraph would look like. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 02:48, 29 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Content of source paragraph

The source paragraph gives us the following information; I've added some commentary.

A military governor was installed in Georgia right after the Civil War ("during Reconstruction", which means Reconstruction is regarded as starting immediately after the war) to "manage the state" -- well, what else do governors do?
During the military governorship, the Republican party was made up of blacks, and whites from the mountainous north
The Republican Party took control of the legislature, and elected Rufus Bulloch as governor. Were these at the same time, or in order? It's not really clear, but Bulloch's election at least was in 1868, and the party probably took control in 1868 too or the source would presumably have named a different year.
Bulloch was the first Republican governor of Georgia
Bulloch was subsequently threatened with impeachment. In 1871 he went into exile before he could be impeached.
In 1871 there was no office of lieutenant governor. The clear implication is that the lieutenant governor role includes being next in line for the governorship, though the source doesn't actually say this. I think we could use that in the article though; it's pretty clear.
The next in line after the governor was the President of the Georgia Senate, who was named Benjamin Conley.
Conley became governor in Bulloch's stead, but after 72 days the legislature called a special election and replaced him with a Democrat. That's not at all clear -- did the legislature replace him or did the election replace him? I would guess the source meant to say "he was replaced by a Democrat" but if we don't have another source we shouldn't be definite.
Conley was the second Republican governor of Georgia.
Republicans were rare in Georgia until after WWII.

The next step is to reassemble this into a coherent paragraph that owes as little as possible to the original sentences of the source. I'll have a go at that next. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 03:13, 29 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

New paragraph

Here's a draft of the paragraph. I'm going to try to write this without any direct reference to the source, instead looking at the set of points I extracted from it. I'll try to assemble those points into what seems to me a logical way to present all the information to a reader.

I've also placed the source paragraph after this again, and have marked it up in bold and italics as above.

New paragraph:

After the Civil War, Georgia was initially placed under a military governorship, but in 1868 the Republican Party succeeded in capturing the legislature and electing Rufus Bulloch as governor. Support for the Republicans came from the 44% of the state's population that was African-American, along with whites from the mountainous north. Bulloch was the first Republican governor of Georgia, but he was threatened with impeachment and fled the state in 1871, leaving the governorship to Benjamin Conley, the president of the Georgia Senate. (In modern times the lieutenant governor is the next in line if the governor cannot serve, but the role of lieutenant governor had not yet been created by that time.) Conley, the second Republican governor of the state, only lasted 72 days: the legislature quickly called a special election, and Conley was succeeded by a Democrat.

Source:

Immediately after the Civil War, the federal government installed a military governor in Georgia during Reconstruction to manage the state. At this time, the Republican Party was made up of blacks (who were 44% of the state’s population) and whites from the mountainous northern part of the state. This coalition of mountaineers and former slaves managed to take control of the state legislature and elect Rufus Bulloch as 'the state’s first Republican Governor in 1868. But, in 1871, Bulloch fled into exile before he was impeached. Georgia had not created the office of lieutenant governor so the President of the Georgia Senate, Benjamin Conley, inherited Bulloch’s unexpired term and became Georgia’s second Republican Governor. He served just 72 days before the legislature called a special election and replaced him with a Democrat. Republicans were rare in Georgia until after WWII.

You can see from the markup that the remaining phrases that are identical are largely unavoidable. Looking at this I might tweak it a bit more -- how about "44% of Georgians" instead of "44% of the state's population" for example? But you really can't avoid phrases like "second Republican governor", so those are not problematic.

I hope this clarifies what is needed. You mentioned that you were having problems with references; I'll take a look at those next. I won't look at the other text you've added with an eye to deleting it; but if it's very similar to the source it does have to be removed -- this is not me being annoying, it's a legal requirement for copyright reasons. So please do take a look at your other text and make sure it is essentially your work, rather than a somewhat modified version of the source.

-- Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 03:38, 29 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Writing in the voice of the party

An encyclopedia should not be written as if it is a party website, campaign brochure or policy platform. These edits are not written like an encyclopedia article. Wikipedia does not speak for the Georgia Republican Party, e.g.,

"so we can provide feedback on where instructors need to improve on"

"We must ensure our laws ...."

"Our state will be greatly affected by Obamacare."

We, in Wikipedialand, do not want to provide feedback or ensure anything about Georgia's laws. Many of us don't even live in Georgia, so "we" and "our" is completely inappropriate. We only want to provide verifiable information from a neutral perspective. Wikipedia is not here to promote the Republican Party or the Democratic Party or the Tail-gate Party for that matter. Ground Zero | t 12:44, 5 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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'Position' Infobox

I will be removing the 'position' infobox. It is unsourced as well as includes very generalized, not agreed-upon, and cursory overview of the party. In addition, the main articles for the Republican and Democratic parties purposely do not include this infobox in order to limit POV pushing. Norge17maii (talk) 21:33, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]