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Reviewer: Sasata (talk) 13:56, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
Hi Cas, I've signed up for this review. Will have comments here in a day or three. Sasata (talk) 13:56, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
- okay (actually, sort of a null edit as I was just getting this page on my watchlist....actually I suppose I could have just clicked the star above rather than typed all this needless commentary...) :)Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:19, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
Interested in a lit search for a FA push? Sasata (talk) 19:51, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
- Yes please. I now can get Web of Knowledge via uni library but when you guys use it...it seems to find more things!! So I am interested to see what you get. Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:24, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
Comments
mention sex of individual in taxobox image caption?
- added Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:23, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
what is a frons?might "nondescript" be a better adjective rather than "undistinguished" to described the female color?
- yes and done Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:23, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
citation for etymology of species name
- done Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:09, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
- "Given this, Quoy and Gaimard's name was declared a nomen oblitum and Gould's a nomen protectum." Source?
- I removed nomen protectum as it is superfluous, and not actually on page which is the source Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:38, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
"Older common names include…" next sentence "Other names include…" reword to avoid repetition
- tweaked Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:29, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
"robin redbreast" in the lead vs. "Robin Red-breast" in taxonomy
- fixed Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:29, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
- link/gloss lore
dang, the only things i can find aren't good - there is List of terms used in bird topography (which at least has a diagram) and Bird_anatomy#Head. I will expand one and link - probably the latter.Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:06, 26 August 2010 (UTC)Linked to Bird_anatomy#Head which contains a one line description of lore. Needs to be expanded on destination page but provides raw outline as it is.Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:59, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
Cite needed tag in Dist & Habitat
- I ended up using the secondary source (Garnett 2000) as it seems to indicate it was a verbal consensus of experts leading to government position rather than published papers Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:43, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
"… migratory Flame Robins invaded and ecked out their territories …" ecked?
- typo for "eked". fixed. Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:30, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
"The Flame Robin engages in a number of aggressive displays, including a breast-puffing display where it puffs its breast feathers, a white spot display where it puffs its feathers to accentuate its frontal white crown, white wing markings or white outer tail feathers." I don't think the last should be counted as an aggressive display in which the bird "engages". Might also want to reword "engage in singing" in the next sentence for less repetition.
- okay, I've changed engages --> deploys, and used (and linked) the word agonistic, which is broader and covers conflict resolution/dominance/aggression behaviours. Casliber (talk · contribs) 15:08, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
"Unlike other robins, the female sometimes initiates selection." clarify "selection"
- "the female sometimes initiates the site selection" Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:31, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
"Three or four dull white eggs tinted bluish, greyish or brownish and splotched with dark grey-brown measure 18 mm x 14 mm, and are laid on consecutive days." incomplete sentencen/m, looks ok now, verb is "measure" Sasata (talk) 21:18, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
Lit search: looks like there's some room for expansion. Here's what I get from a full Web of Knowledge search for "Petroica phoenicea", with "All databases" selected:
- Title: Altered timing of avian movements in a peri-urban environment and its relationship to climate
- Author(s): Chambers, LE
- Source: EMU Volume: 110 Issue: 1 Pages: 48-53 Published: 2010
Done added Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:30, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
- Title: Farmland bird responses to intersecting replanted areas
- Author(s): Lindenmayer, DB; Cunningham, R; Crane, M, et al.
- Source: LANDSCAPE ECOLOGY Volume: 22 Pages: 1555-1562 Published: 2007
Not done unclear - reports on many spp. and diversity in general. Says Flame Robin one of several species that "respond to coarse-scale (farm-level) features such as different farm-level management practices, rather than planting-level features." - but doesn't explain what these practices are in this case. Peripheral I think to gist of study Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:21, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
- Title: Breeding and population parameters of robins in a woodland remnant in northern New South Wales, Australia
- Author(s): Debus, SJS
- Source: EMU Volume: 106 Issue: 2 Pages: 147-156 Published: 2006
Not done this one is about Scarlet and Eastern Yellow Robin (Flame Robin only mentioned in refs) Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:32, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
- Title: Flame robins in the Geelong region: a GFNC Project.
- Author(s): Lingham, Barry
- Source: Geelong Bird Report Volume: 2003 Pages: 84-98 Published: 2004
- Title: Foraging behaviour of Hooded Robins Melanodryas cucullata in the Northern Tablelands of New South Wales.
- Author(s): Fitri, Lulu; Ford, Hugh A.
- Source: Corella Volume: 27 Issue: 3 Pages: 61-67 Published: September 2003
Not done not about species. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:23, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
- Title: A breeding season comparison of the Tasmanian robins.
- Author(s): Newman, Mike
- Source: Tasmanian Bird Report Volume: 30 Pages: 19-25 Published: 2002
- Title: The foraging ecology of birds of eucalypt forest and woodland. I. Differences between mates and females
- Author(s): Recher, HF; Holmes, RT
- Source: EMU Volume: 100 Pages: 205-215 Part: 3 Published: SEP 2000
Done added. Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:47, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
- Title: Winter visitors.
- Author(s): Bartels, Pauline
- Source: Bird Observer (Nunawading) Volume: 760 Pages: 7 Published: February 1996
- Title: Robins feeding on seaweed.
- Author(s): Wall, Leonard E.
- Source: Bird Observer (Nunawading) Volume: 750 Pages: 5 Published: March 1995
- Title: The migration of flame robins at Albert Park Lake annual report 1993/94.
- Author(s): Talmage, Mary Ellen
- Source: VORG Notes Volume: 29 Issue: 2 Pages: 60-61 Published: January 1995
- Title: The migration of flame robins at Albert Park Lake. Annual report 1992/93.
- Author(s): Talmage, M.E.
- Source: VORG Notes Volume: 28 Issue: 1-2 Pages: 33-34 Published: 1993
- Title: Robin's nest.
- Author(s): Zipkas, C.
- Source: Bird Observer (Nunawading) Pages: 19 Published: 1992
- Title: HABITAT USE AND FORAGING BEHAVIOR OF THE SCARLET ROBIN AND THE FLAME ROBIN AT A SITE OF BREEDING-SEASON SYMPATRY
- Author(s): ROBINSON, D
- Source: WILDLIFE RESEARCH Volume: 19 Issue: 4 Pages: 377-395 Published: 1992
- Title: The migration of flame robins at Albert Park Lake. Annual report - 1991/1992.
- Author(s): Talmage, Mary Ellen
- Source: VORG Notes Volume: 27 Issue: 2 Pages: 56 Published: Summer 1992
- Title: THE SOCIAL-ORGANIZATION OF THE SCARLET ROBIN PETROICA-MULTICOLOR AND FLAME ROBIN P-PHOENICEA IN SOUTHEASTERN AUSTRALIA - A COMPARISON BETWEEN SEDENTARY AND MIGRATORY FLYCATCHERS
- Author(s): ROBINSON, D
- Source: IBIS Volume: 132 Issue: 1 Pages: 78-94 Published: JAN 1990
Done incorporated Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:40, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
- Title: A flame robin near Laura.
- Author(s): Pedler, L.P.
- Source: South Australian Ornithologist Volume: 29 Issue: 7 Pages: 179 Published: 1985
- Title: Notes on the nesting of flame and scarlet robins in East Gippsland.
- Author(s): Bedggood, G.W.
- Source: Australian Bird Watcher Volume: 10 Issue: 3 Pages: 105-106 Published: 1983
- Title: Breeding the flame robin in captivity.
- Author(s): Hamilton, N.
- Source: Avicultural Magazine Volume: 87 Issue: 2 Pages: 90-92 Published: 1981
- Title: Flame robin banding in the Shepparton district, Victoria.
- Author(s): Fordyce, J.C.
- Source: Corella Volume: 2 Issue: 5 Pages: 85-88 Published: 1978
- Title: A flame robin and the decease of a plant!
- Author(s): Allenson, E.J.
- Source: Bird Obsr Volume: No.,551 Pages: 82. Published: 1977
- Title: The flame robin at Mount Wilson, N.S.W.
- Author(s): Reynolds, E.G.
- Source: Corella Volume: 1 Issue: 1 Pages: 17 Published: 1977
- Title: Baby birds learning.
- Author(s): Galbraith, J.
- Source: Victorian Naturalist (Blackburn) Volume: 94 Issue: 12 Pages: 77 Published: 1977
- Title: Report on wintering flame robins in the Cobram district, Victoria.
- Author(s): Bateman, M.
- Source: Australian Bird Bander Volume: 13 Issue: 3 Pages: 47-52 Published: 1975
- Title: The effect of a bushfire on the banding of flame robins in the Brindabella Ranges.
- Author(s): Stokes, A.
- Source: Australian Bird Bander Volume: 13 Issue: 4 Pages: 75-76 Published: 1975
- Title: Strange behaviour of flame robin Petroica phoenicea and other observations.
- Author(s): Klapste, J.
- Source: Bird Rep. Volume: No.,525 Pages: 47 Published: 1975
- Title: Notes on banding nesting flame robins.
- Author(s): Hough, K.
- Source: Australian Bird Bander. Volume: 10 Issue: 2 Pages: 32-33 Published: 1974
- Title: Banding of flame robins at Mount Buller.
- Author(s): Reilly, P.
- Source: Australian Bird Bander. Volume: 10 Issue: 2 Pages: 31 Published: 1974
- Title: The Flame robin on Wilson's Promontory.
- Author(s): Cooper, R. P,
- Source: Aust. Bird Watcher Volume: 3 Pages: 227-235, Published: 1970
Done incorporated. Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:42, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
- Title: Flame robin banding at the You Yangs.
- Author(s): Pescott, T.
- Source: Aust. Bird Bander Volume: 7 Pages: 3-6 Published: 1969
- Title: COMPOSITION OF FLAME ROBIN FLOCKS WINTERING IN TASMANIA
- Author(s): THOMAS D G
- Source: Emu Volume: 69 Issue: 4 Pages: 240-241 Published: 1969
Done incorporated. Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:51, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
- Title: Flame robin banding and observations at Langwarrin.
- Author(s): Reilly, P. N.
- Source: Aust. Bird Bander Volume: 6 Pages: 3-4 Published: 1968
- Title: A flame robin trap.
- Author(s): Reilly, P.
- Source: Aust Bird Bander Volume: 6 Pages: 82-83 Published: 1968
- Title: Xanthochroism in scarlet robin, Petroica multicolor, and flame robin, P. phoenicea.
- Author(s): Wall, L. E.
- Source: Emu Volume: 66 Pages: 297 Published: 1967
Done added. Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:24, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
- Title: Flame robin survey.
- Author(s): Ipsen, J. C.; Reilly, P. N.
- Source: Aust. Bird Bander Volume: 2 Pages: 110-111 Published: 1964
- Title: Nesting of the flame robin at Creswick, Victoria.
- Author(s): Cowley, R. D.
- Source: Aust. Bird Watcher Volume: 1 Pages: 114 and 116 Published: 1960
- Title: Flame Robins with young in northern Victoria.
- Author(s): Watts, F. A.
- Source: Emu Volume: 59 Pages: 222 Published: 1959
- One instance of parents feeding young birds which could fly, in Kingower Ranges near Inglewood.
Need to double check overview of feeding to see of warrants addingCasliber (talk · contribs) 04:24, 1 September 2010 (UTC)Secondary source had better summary of overall evidence. Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:46, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
- One instance of parents feeding young birds which could fly, in Kingower Ranges near Inglewood.
- Title: Ground Thrush inland at Deniliquin, N.S.VV. Flame Rollins" foot pattering ' feeding habit.
- Author(s): Hobbs, J. N.
- Source: Emu Volume: 54 Pages: 278-279 Published: 1954
- added Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:02, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for all the lit-search - alot of it is hard to access and is isolated records here and there. I think I have most of the good bits now, and Higgins does a great job summarising just about everything we know - can you get any I haven't marked as done/not done above (I will double chekc the last Emu one)? Long shot I know.... Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:03, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
- I checked, but don't have access to any of the Oz bird journals. Well, everything looks to be in order in terms of GA criteria, so I will promote the article now. Good luck at the FAC (if that's the next stop). Sasata (talk) 00:23, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
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The flame robin (Petroica phoenicea) is a small passerine bird native to Australia. It is a moderately common resident of the coolest parts of south-eastern Australia, including Tasmania. It was first described by the French naturalists Jean René Constant Quoy and Joseph Paul Gaimard in 1830 and, like many brightly coloured Australasian robins, it is sexually dimorphic. Measuring 12 to 14 cm (5 to 6 in) long, the flame robin has dark brown eyes and a small thin black bill. The male has a brilliant orange-red chest and throat, and a white patch on the forehead above the bill. Its upper parts are iron-grey with white bars, and its tail black with white tips. The female is a nondescript grey-brown. It mostly breeds in and around the Great Dividing Range, the Tasmanian highlands and islands in Bass Strait. With the coming of cooler autumn weather, most birds disperse to lower and warmer areas. This male flame robin was photographed in Jenolan Caves, New South Wales, Australia. Photograph credit: John Harrison
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