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800,000 euro ($1,000,000)

I'm assuming the "$1,000,000" is the rough exchange of Euro into US$? The problem is that there's more than one country that uses the "dollar". In Australia, a $ with a single strike is Australian Dollars. Double strike is US Dollars. Can this be changed to "US$1,000,000"? I couldn't find anything in the style guide regarding this. MaxKnight 05:12, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Nobel Peace Prize nomination

During her life she has twice been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize,...

Being nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize is an honor, but it is not official or even prestigious. Any national legislator or about a third of the university professors in the world can make a nomination, and there have been as many as 140 some years. Nominators are requested to keep their nominations secret, so it's only those wishing publicity who make announcements, and more often it is impossible to verify. I see no reason to keep it. No offense to the subject, this is a general Nobel Peace Prize "nominees" issue. -Will Beback · † · 09:37, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I too think the nomination is an honor, and more important than her grandfather nationality, for example. So I think that should stay - those nominations differ her from a common man, and are important if you're interested what kind of person she really is. Unless, of course, it's all a hoax ;) And I don't believe that's the case here.

She was indeed nominated (I saw one of the nominations), and the nomination means a great deal more inside Macedonia than it does outside Macedonia.131.89.129.235 (talk) 00:21, 11 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

music style

i think calling her style 'world music' lacks a global view- obviously 'world' is supposed to mean here 'non-Western'. I have therefore changed it to 'traditional/folk' Mtl1969 22:03, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that it's not really "world music" -- it's a mix of traditional and newly-composed folk. Her musical frame of reference is pretty much internal to former Yugoslavia. 131.90.0.236 (talk) 00:20, 11 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

References section

There's a part of the references section that doesn't seem to make any sense:

Gypsy Queens 1998 Network Medien D Gypsy Crpet 2006 Network Medien D Queen of the Gypsies 1997 World Connection Nl Chaje Shukarije 1999...

What is all that? Could someone please fix it?--CurtisSwain (talk) 20:23, 10 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently, nobody else knows what that was for either, so I just removed it myself.--CurtisSwain (talk) 03:54, 27 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's a string of some of her recordings in a confusing format. Some of those CDs are on Western European labels; to the best of my knowledge, Gypsy Carpet was a Macedonian production featuring members of Esma's band. 131.90.0.236 (talk) 00:20, 11 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Place of birth.

There is specific source stating Rejepova was born in Bulgaria: per New York Times, Redzepova was born on Aug. 8, 1943, in Skopje at that time part of the Kingdom of Bulgaria. It was rejoined with Yugoslavia in late 1944 until the Republic of Macedonia declared independence in 1991.

Separately, other reliable sources confirm the information the city and the surrounding area were then part of Bulgaria, which occupied them in April 1941 and annexed most of today North Macedonia in May, the same year. According to the book: Bulgaria During the Second World War by Marshall Lee Miller, Stanford University Press, 1975, ISBN 0804708703, p. 128: Although the Bulgarian government considered Macedonia an integral part of Bulgaria from the first, the territory’s status was not so clear to Germany. Hitler had privately indicated that Macedonia should eventually be granted to Bulgaria, but the official German position was that “the fate of the various regions belonging to Yugoslavia WWII not be settled definitely until later, at the conclusion of peace. At present, therefore, no statements can be made regarding the future boundaries of Macedonia.” When Bulgaria formally annexed the occupied portions of Macedonia on May 14, 1941, Germany raised no strong objections. Jingiby (talk) 11:50, 20 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Please, stop controversial POV-pushing as: Skopje, Socialist Republic of Macedonia, occupied by Bulgaria. Keep in mind, there is a difference between military occupation and annexation. Bulgaria annexed the occupied portions of Yugoslavia on May 14, 1941, and Esma was born in 1943. More, Bulgaria annexed Yugoslav province called Vardar Banovina. The very name Macedonia was prohibited in the Kingdom of Yugoslavia due to the policy of forcible serbianization. Socialist Republic of Macedonia itself was officially established in 1945 and unofficially in November 1944. However to put its name back to 1943 is ahistorical controversy, as it projects a later political entity onto the past. Jingiby (talk) 13:54, 20 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Skopje was then not only annexed by Bulgaria, but it was center of a new province: Another irritating question regarding the newly acquired territory was its legal status: the Germans acquiesced in the occupation of Macedonia by Bulgaria, but they refused to concede to its formal annexation in order to keep the fate of the province as a useful bargain for the extraction of more concessions from Bulgaria in the future. In Bulgaria, however, few bothered themselves with such a 'technicality', and the Filov's government swiftly proceeded to the formal incorporation of the 'liberated territories' into the 'Motherland'. The province was divided into two oblasti (administrative districts), with Skopje and Bitola as their respective centres. For more see: Dimitris Livanios and his book The Macedonian Question: Britain and the Southern Balkans 1939-1949. Oxford University Press, 2008, ISBN 0191528722, p. 118. Jingiby (talk) 15:05, 20 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It would be correct for 1943. Bulgaria, had annexed the territory for a few years by then. If the year was 1944, then it would be a bit different as Bulgaria rescinded its Axis alliance and all that came with it. Even then, it would come down to dates, before and after that alliance date was terminated on how it would work out in these kinds of circumstances.Resnjari (talk) 02:28, 21 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"Queen of Gypsies"

Redzepova's title as Queen of the Gypsies was self-imposed, of course, as a marketing ploy but also due to her recognition among "gentile" or non-gypsy audience as a prominent Romani voice. However, and I'm certain of this, though I couldn't find a source, she would be actually elected at the International Romani Congress to be the actual Queen, and I think the term was 6 years.

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