Talk:Driving in Madagascar/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: LunaEatsTuna (talk · contribs) 23:48, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I will review this (hopefully) tomorrow. ツLunaEatsTuna (💬)— 23:48, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This was surprisingly quite fascinating! I have an interest in transportation and love Africa. Anyways, I have placed this article on hold for now and left some comments below. Please ping me once you have addressed my concerns otherwise I will not know when to respond. Thanks! ツLunaEatsTuna (💬)— 18:11, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@LunaEatsTuna: I think Tamzin and I have addressed all your comments below. Pinging you per your request, and I'll leave a talkback notice on your talk page. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 23:34, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I believe that is everything addressed. Nice work on the added content as well! Happy now to pass this article for GA status per the changes implemented. Congrats! ツLunaEatsTuna (💬)— 00:17, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Copyvio check

Earwig says good to go.

Files

All images used are relevant, of acceptable quality, appropriate and copyright-free:

File:Route Nationale 9 (Madagaskar) 01.jpg: CC-BY-SA 4.0;

File:Madagascar Transportation.jpg: valid public domain rationale;

File:Pousse-pousse Madagascar.jpg: CC-BY-SA;

File:Taxi brousses at station in Madagascar.jpg CC-BY-SA 4.0;

File:Taxi brousse interior in Madagascar.jpg CC-BY-SA 4.0;

File:Madagascar water tanker.jpg CC-BY-SA 2.0;

File:Madagascar road sign - school children.jpg CC-BY-SA 4.0.

Prose

Change both instances of 4500 roads to 4,500 so it is consistent with the kilometres.
Done — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 19:38, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"two-thirds of the roads as poor condition." – recommend "two-thirds of the roads as being in poor condition."
Done — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 19:38, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"live near to a road in good condition" – change to "live near a road in good condition".
Done — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 19:57, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"travel on the right side of the road." – wiki to left- and right-hand traffic.
Done -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 19:23, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The lead uses "inter-regionally" whilst the body spells "Interregional" without a hyphen.
Fixed; the body now uses "trans-regional". — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 19:55, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"Bush taxis, or taxi brousses," – remove Bush taxis as this is already mentioned above.
Done -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 19:23, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"In 1908, a road was built from Mahatsara to Antananarivo" is cited to a source from 1902.
Fixed. Also reworded a bit because the source doesn't explicitly say what year the road was finished. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 19:23, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"As of 2022, Madagascar contains over" – make past tense.
I was under the impression that "as of"s use present tense. The one example given at WP:ASOF does, at least. But happy to discuss further. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 19:23, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not done I agree with Tamzin here; the proper tense is the present in this case. Both past and present could be used, depending on context, but they convey slightly different meanings; the former indicates that we're using it as a finite point-in-time (i.e. as of 1990, the virgin jungle of the Amazon rain forest spanned X square miles, but it has since decreased in size), whereas the latter implies a continuity-in-fact between the point-in-time and the present (i.e. As of noon on 20 January 2021, Donald Trump is no longer holds public office in the United States). For our purposes here, the present tense is better than the past. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 20:09, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Noted.
"Traffic drives on the right side of the road." – this sentence may be more fitting at the end of the paragraph.
Done — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 19:53, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"The road network spans" – spanned.
Not done I've added a more recent source that gives the same number; the present tense seems appropriate. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 20:09, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nice!
"classified 64%" – change this and all instance of % to "percent" per MOS:%
@Red-tailed hawk: What are your thoughts on this? My feeling has long been that MOS:% does not actually forbid using % signs but merely notes that many articles don't use them, but maybe that's a silly hill to die on. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 19:23, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Tamzin: I'm currently drafting a talk page discussion for an unrelated topic, but I will have time to take a look at this in about an hour. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 19:26, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Ok so drafting that discussion took shorter than I thought. I think that using "percent" is better stylistically, and, while exceptions apply to the MOS, I'm fine making the change to bring this within MOS compliance. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 19:42, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done I've made the change for all instances of "%". — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 19:48, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"and 10% in good condition" – change to "ten percent" as it is 19 or lower (I do not make the rules I only rigorously enforce them
Numeral "10" here seems correct per MOS:NUMNOTES since it's comparing to numerals "64" and "28"? -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 19:23, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Partly done. Since the other numbers in the sentence are using numerical form, we should strive to maintain parallelism within the sentence. As parallelism in style within the sentence improves Wikipedia, I think it's fine (and follows policy) to ignore MOS here to enforce parallelism, regardless of the letter. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 19:48, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It's not even an IAR thing. Comparable values nearby one another should be all spelled out or all in figures. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 19:53, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, noted.
"Seventy percent" – 70 percent.
Fixed by rewording. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 19:23, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"only about twenty-two percent" – 22 percent.
Fixed. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 19:23, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"Only 11.4%" – change to "11.4 percent," also:
Done — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 19:49, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
As of when?
2019 -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 19:23, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"and identified climate change as having the potential to worsen the road connectivity situation" – Does the report say how exactly?
Fixed. It does, but it's brief, and I've added a brief summary at the end of the relevant sentence in our article. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 20:47, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, that looks good.
"to over 800,000" as of when?
passenger and commercial vehicles -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 19:23, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"with high income" – I reckon we could wikilink high income here.
Fixed The sentence needed to be rephrased, and the rephrasing happened to take out the phrase "high income", so I don't see this as being an issue any longer. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 20:49, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oh no, this point of mine is in permanent limbo!
"and pay 2.4 million Malagasy ariary" – in USD? Also: just ariary is fine IMO.
Fixed USD conversion inserted. I'd like to state "Malagasy Ariary" on both first reference in the lead and first reference in the body, in case the reader is not familiar with the currency. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 20:37, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough. I agree that is a good idea.
"Import of vehicles" – should it not be "Importing vehicles" or "The importing of vehicles" etc?
Is this a grammar concern or a stylistic one? This seems grammatically correct to me per wikt:import#Noun sense 3. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 19:37, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed Importation refers to the act of importing, and it is that act that is taxed, so the sentence now says "importation". — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 19:51, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"the charretiers ('carters')," – really no need to link to Wiktionary as it is translated right here.
My concern here was that "carter" isn't a particularly well-known word in English, so a link to Wiktionary still seemed beneficial. But happy to discuss. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 19:37, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Tamzin here; the Wiktionary link is helpful to even readers who have native levels of English-language comprehension. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 21:05, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, I see. I prefer to avoid external links as well as reasonably possible.
"in 1993 the national agency Alimentation en Eau dans le Sud (AES) engaged with the government of Japan to acquire 24 tanker trucks for water in 1993." – duplicated use of in 1993.
Fixed -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 19:37, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I would wikilink speed limit as it seems relevant to this type of article.
Done -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 19:37, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"There is no speed limit on highways" – highways being?
The source reports merely that there are no speed limits on "motorways" (i.e. what North Americans call highways). This doesn't seem ambiguous. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 20:54, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Red-tailed hawk: Perhaps "freeway"? That's what I did at a different article as probably the most international term. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 21:39, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
A "freeway" is a type of highway that is explicitly not a toll road; the source mentions nothing about toll roads, so I don't know that this is appropriate. I don't see how this would be the most international term for the general concept of a highway. There is currently a toll road under construction, so I worry that the term "freeway" is going to be made obsolete very quickly. Highway seems to capture the content perfectly fine, and it is consistent with the WP:ENGVAR in which the article is written. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 23:04, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Tamzin: Digging in a bit more, I've made some changes that better reflects the current speed limit situation w.r.t. local municipalities and that of toll road under construction. Please let me know if you have any questions. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 23:29, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Looks good! I am not familiar with road terminology so this may be an issue on my end.
"Wulf et al." – should be "Volker Wulf et al."
Done — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 20:11, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"While a 2018 WHO fact sheet" – recommend "Although a 2018 WHO fact sheet". And change to "World Health Organization (WHO)" and replace this later mention to just WHO.
Fixed Moved the abbreviation to first reference and redid the sentence a bit. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 20:17, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"it reported" – it?
Fixed The entity the WHO got the data from is listed as the "National Gendarmerie", which is covered on the English Wikipedia at the page that Gendarmerie Nationale (Madagascar) redirects to. Attribution for the data source has been added. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 20:23, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I would put Transport in Madagascar as a see also in either § Means of transport or § See also.
Done in the § See also. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 20:58, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Efn note 6 needs a full stop as the others employ this.
Done — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 20:58, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The commons link to Share taxis in Madagascar does not exist.
Fixed -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 19:39, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Refs

Passes spotcheck—no concerns with refs 3, 9, 10, 13, 18 or 19. I had access to refs 3 and 10 via the Wikipedia Library. Formatting:

Is there a reason ref 1 has "(published 4 April 2022)" in its publication name?
Fixed That would be due to erroneously using the CS1 publication-date field instead of the source-date field. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 19:41, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Is a full publication date available for refs 9 and 20?
N I cannot find a pub date for 9 more specific than "2018". Apparently CS1 does support date ranges for dates, though (TIL!), so I've Y updated 20 to "April–June 2007" per [1]. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 18:54, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, all good! I also did not know that. That seems slightly problematic for certain magazines.
Wikilink World Health Organization in ref 21.
Done and switched to {{cite report}}. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 19:01, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Other

Short desc, image formatting, tables, navs, other templates and cats good.

Please add WP:ALT text.
Done -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 20:06, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.