Talk:Coromandel Peninsula

Area?

Can someone please supply the area of the peninsula please? Koro Neil (talk) 01:47, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

I haven't found a source for this in a quick search. As far as I'm aware, the peninsula's southern boundary isn't well defined, so its area could be debatable too. The area of the Thames-Coromandel District (2,300 km²) probably isn't too far off though. --Avenue (talk) 13:35, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

I had the same problem when I looked. The length and maximum width are given, but the inexactness of the southern boundary (caused mainly by the fact that the east coast slopes off into a massive bay) makes giving an exact area tricky. Grutness...wha? 23:02, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

The Coromandel vs Coromandel Peninsula

The information and text regarding Coromandel Peninsula is incorrect and miss leading. Yes, Coromandel Peninsula is a Peninsula, I are not arguing that fact. However, Coromandel Peninsula does not include Waihi and Paeroa as stated in the text. Waihi and Paeroa are apart of the Hauraki District which is not in/on the Coromandel Peninsula and Thames-Coromandel District. What the text is describing is The Coromandel Region, made up of both the Thames Coromandel District and Hauraki District, from Port Jackson at the tip right the way through to Paeroa and the like. Below is a link to our New Zealand Governmental Electorate Profile which states where the region encompasses. https://www.parliament.nz/en/mps-and-electorates/electorate-profiles/electorate-profiles-data/document/DBHOH_Lib_EP_Coromandel_Electoral_Profile/coromandel-electoral-profile. The text should read The Coromandel rather than Coromandel Peninsula throughout the Coromandel Peninsula Wiki page, to represent the entire region as does the rest of the information throughout the page. This is to limit the confusion between The Coromandel (region made up of Hauraki and Thames Coromandel Districts), the Coromandel Peninsula (the Thames Coromandel District on the Peninsula) and Coromandel (town) (the small town often confused with the region/peninsula). I understand this can be very confusing for those who are not familiar with our region.HMPhillips (talk) 21:13, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

Please also check out The Coromandel website or Tourism New Zealand's page on The Coromandel for clarification of my points above. 103.43.206.162 (talk) 21:25, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

HMPhillips - I agree with you, the title Coromandel Peninsula does not reflect what the text is describing throughout the Wikipedia page. The text describes The Coromandel region, where the Southern boarder extends through the towns of Kaiaua - Ngatea - Paeroa - Waihi - Whiritoa in the Hauraki District and through to Port Jackson and the Mercury Islands, off the shores of Otama Bay and Opito Bay in the North of the Thames-Coromandel District. The Coromandel region NOT the Coromandel Peninsula encompasses both the Hauraki and Thames-Coromandel Districts. The confusion as you stated between "The Coromandel (region made up of Hauraki and Thames Coromandel Districts), the Coromandel Peninsula (the Thames Coromandel District on the Peninsula) and Coromandel (town) (the small town often confused with the region/peninsula)" is paramount yet understandable as there is many misleading websites and documents that consistently miss represent the region, peninsula and town adding confusion. I agree the Coromandel Peninsula Wikipedia page needs to be amended to avoid confusion where possible. Your links correctly describe and represent The Coromandel region - I hope those who are not from this region begin to understand this problem as it is rather confusing if you are not from The Coromandel let alone not from New Zealand.--Megan Nunn (talk) 22:49, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

Three barrels. What does the New Zealand Geographic Board think? Eddaido (talk) 08:37, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

The article is called Coromandel Peninsula and that's what it is about. The problem with the article is, as mentioned above by Avenue and Grutness in 2010, that the southern boundary isn't clearly defined. The article does not state that Waihi and Paeroa are on the Coromandel Peninsula – on the contrary, it says that "only five towns on the peninsula have populations of over 1000" and the list of those towns does not include Waihi (5000) or Paeroa (4000). The 'Transport' section says that Waihi and Paeroa are "at the base of the peninsula", which is perhaps ambiguous and confusing. But the Coromandel Peninsula does not include the Hauraki Plains, let alone Kaiaua and the like. If there is going to be any change, it should be to clarify the southern boundary. Does the Coromandel Peninsula end where the Coromandel Range ends? Should we be like Townshend Cullen Associates (http://www.valuerstca.co.nz/) and distinguish Coromandel Peninsula from the Waihi Basin and Hauraki Plains? The article about Thames Coromandel District + Hauraki District, that the combined districts' Regional Tourism Organisation would like, does not exist at this time. Nurg (talk) 06:49, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

@Nurg:The Coromandel Range ends at the Karangahake Gorge which is apart of the Hauraki Plains. You can see the correct boundary for The Coromandel as stated in the New Zealand Electorate for Coromandel - "The current Coromandel seat is based around the Coromandel Peninsula, and contains the main Coromandel towns of Thames, Whitianga, Whangamata. To the south of the electorate is the Hauraki District which contains the main townships of Paeroa, Waihi and Ngatea." HMPhillips (talk) 01:13, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

@Nurg: you assert that "the article does not state that Waihi and Paeroa are on the Coromandel Peninsula – on the contrary, it says that "only five towns on the peninsula have populations of over 1000" and the list of those towns does not include Waihi (5000) or Paeroa (4000). The 'Transport' section says that Waihi and Paeroa are "at the base of the peninsula", which is perhaps ambiguous and confusing. But the Coromandel Peninsula does not include the Hauraki Plains, let alone Kaiaua and the like." Yet Waihi (Hauraki Plains) is also mentioned under Industries and attractions in the Coromandel Peninsula article - "There are many historical mines in the Coromandel area, especially for gold mining. Waihi, in the south of the peninsula, still has an active gold mine, as of the late 2000s, though most other mining in the area ceased about the 1980s. In late 2009, New Zealand's Energy and Resources Minister Gerry Brownlee (National Party) noted that there was a possibility of new mining in conservation areas, even though he had previously declared that a stocktake of mineral resources in protected areas did not indicate a desire to mine there." If the article was only describing the Coromandel Peninsula (Thames Coromandel District), Whititoa (Hauraki District) would not be included in the following statement also from the Coromandel Peninsula article - "Only five towns on the peninsula have populations of over 1000 (Coromandel, Whitianga, Thames, Tairua, and Whangamata), and of these only Thames has a population of over 5000. Several small towns dot the coast of the Firth of Thames in the southwest. Other small towns on the peninsula include Te Puru, Matarangi, Whangapoua, Whiritoa, Hikuai, Port Jackson, Port Charles, Tairua, Pauanui and Colville." You can see on the Hauraki District Council website the boundaries for the district are explained - "The Hauraki District spans from the Kaiaua (Seabird) Coast along the reclaimed, rich dairy lands of the Hauraki Plains which border the Firth of Thames, and then onto the rugged Karangahake and Kaimai/Coromandel ranges before reaching the Golden Valley farmlands in the northeast and the Pacific Ocean at Whiritoa." Also note that the "Location of Coromandel Peninsula" map also boarders Paeroa and Waihi (Hauraki Plains) through to Waihi Beach and Wiritoa (Hauraki Plains). This article refers to The Coromandel (region - Hauraki and Thames Coromandel districts) throughout NOT Coromandel Peninsula as the Coromandel Peninsula is only made up of Thames Coromandel District. KerriMcMillan (talk) 23:51, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

I don't think we need to spend too much time and angst making arguments for and against something like this, we only need to follow what's in conventional use in other authoritative sources. Other New Zealand encyclopedias are reliable places to start. Among other things, the Te Ara "Hauraki–Coromandel region" article states that local iwi refer to the whole area as simply "Hauraki". There's also the "Hauraki–Coromandel places" article. The "Coromandel region" article from An Encyclopedia of New Zealand (published in 1966) is also enlightening and there may well be examples of usage in other articles in these sources, both contemporary and historical, as well as possibly the "Coromandel" article from the Cyclopedia of New Zealand (c. 1900). For my £0.02 worth, I don't think it is true that all New Zealanders refer to the area as "The Coromandel" — I live in Wellington and it sounds odd to me not to call it "the Coromandel Peninsula"; perhaps it's something Aucklanders say, or perhaps I just live in a windy bubble... Jon (talk) 00:41, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

I think there is agreement that while Waihi is in the Hauraki–Coromandel region, it is not on the Coromandel Peninsula, so I have removed the statement that it is in the south of the peninsula. Nurg (talk) 10:16, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

@Jonathanischoice: I agree that we should not be wasting time arguing over the fact, however, as you stated you are not from our region and as I have stated above - it can be very confusing for those who are not familiar with our region and the problems that we face regarding the correct naming, description or title of our region. Let me please explain this for you. Coromandel Peninsula is ONLY the Thames Coromandel District although often used to describe the entire region of The Coromandel that encompasses both Thames Coromandel and Hauraki districts. Coromandel again is also used to describe the entire region of The Coromandel that encompasses bot Thames Coromandel and Hauraki districts, however is ONLY the small town in the north of the region that is referred to as Coromandel Town to differentiate between the entire region and the town. The Coromandel is the region that includes both Thames Coromandel and Hauraki Districts. The reason we as locals are passionate about the names/descriptions/titles is the fact that many tourists both domestic and international find the similarities very confusing eg. wanting to go to Cathedral Cove in Coromandel and using public transport to Coromandel (town) and arriving being still 1.5hrs away from where they wanted to be (Hahei, The Coromandel) - this is a very common mistake made by many and we wish to mitigate this as much as possible therefore the article needs to be edited. HMPhillips (talk) 02:05, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

You say that Coromandel Peninsula is not the same as Hauraki–Coromandel (what you call "The Coromandel"). This article is about the Coromandel Peninsula, so please stop trying to make it about Hauraki–Coromandel ("The Coromandel"), unless you can first get consensus for such a sweeping change. Nurg (talk) 10:38, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

@Nurg: You are correct, Coromandel Peninsula and Hauraki-Coromandel are not the same, Coromandel Peninsula is ONLY the Thames-Coromandel District and the Hauraki-Coromandel area is named The Coromandel as it encompasses the entire region - both Hauraki District and Thames Coromandel District. You are incorrect - the article is not only about the peninsula as has been stated above - the article mentions and includes the towns of Waihi, Paeroa and Whiritoa which are all in the Hauraki District. Please stop editing the article and attempting to remove information as you do not see it as correct and to prove a point - you are removing information that is correct and true to the region however as you do not agree you remove it. KerriMcMillan (talk) 20:42, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

@HMPhillips: that's great, but my whole point is that you need to back all that up with some evidence from reliable sources. Jon (talk) 23:06, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

@Jonathanischoice: As I declared in my original statement above, the New Zealand Governmental Electorate Profile states the region encompassed by The Coromandel including both Thames-Coromandel and Hauraki. Tourism New Zealand - New Zealand's National Tourism Organisation providing information for industry, media and New Zealanders and also the marketing agency responsible for promoting New Zealand as a tourism destination internationally, titles the region throughout their website, social and publishing content as The Coromandel. Tourism New Zealand is also second place in this years’ Colmar Brunton Public Sector Reputation Index, pipped by Fire and Emergency New Zealand who topped the index for the fourth year running, proving Tourism New Zealand is a very reliable and trusted source throughout New Zealand. Also The Coromandel's Regional Tourism website for the entire region is titled The Coromandel - www.thecoromandel.com, and the regional visitor guide that is distributed predominantly domestically throughout the country although also gets shipped offshore when requested by wholesalers is also titled throughout as The Coromandel. Regional Tourism New Zealand also names The Coromandel as a destination. HMPhillips (talk) 00:33, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

@HMPhillips: Great! Happy editing :-) Jon (talk) 02:37, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

@Andrewgprout: Please stop changing the edits and read the discussion above.Dean.J.Gordon (talk) 00:44, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

@Dean.J.Gordon: I have read the above in detail - all it does is confirm that the subject of this article is the peninsula by definition, and that that definition does not, nor need it, match any administrative division or subdivision. You are being disruptive and are edit warring against consensus - I warn you again you are very very likely to be blocked from editing. Andrewgprout (talk) 01:47, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

I have blocked Dean.J.Gordon (talk · contribs) for disruptive editing. They are welcome to nominate the article for deletion once the block expires, but it is not appropriate to hijack it because they disagree with its scope.-gadfium 02:16, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

• The article is called Coromandel Peninsula so the scope is the geographic feature. Calling it The Coromandel is not geographically correct as it refers to a colloquial name for the area or region it lies within, not the peninsula itself. Ajf773 (talk) 23:25, 31 July 2019 (UTC)