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Don't add a image on infobox

Please don't add a image in infobox due to requesting a perimission to BINI photos through email.

Thank you. Royiswariii (talk) 14:44, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Consensus regarding Colet's first name

NO CONSENSUS

have a Page Protection, per MOS:PHILIPPINES Royiswariii Talk! 08:01, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Four revisions were made to the article, changing Colet's first name from "Maria" to "Ma.". This happened following Colet's post on X (formerly Twitter), stating that her name is "Ma. Nicolette" and not "Maria". This post was further replied to by her, saying that "Ma." is a shortcut for Maria and is read as Maria.

Due to this, some anonymous editors are changing her first name in the article, stating in their edit summaries that it was "requested by the featured person". Now, I don't know whether we take indirect requests as a basis for contentious changes to BLP articles, but the anonymous editors are consistently changing this to "Ma." (as I was writing this, another anonymous editor reverted my edit). Hence, I'm initiating this discussion to generate consensus on what should be followed when it comes to Colet's first name here on Wikipedia (and possibly by other BLPs that have a similar case).

For me, I would rather follow what the reliable sources are mostly showing (which is "Maria") to conform to Wikipedia:Verifiability. AstrooKai (Talk) 11:22, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Article locked due to BLP violations. Borgenland (talk) 09:49, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I saw your PP request. On the other hand, what are your thoughts on this (my topic above)? AstrooKai (Talk) 10:34, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agree though this has to be raised in MOS:PHILIPPINES. Borgenland (talk) 12:33, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

MOS? Why? AstrooKai (Talk) 12:36, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I'm concerned, we're the only people on Earth where Ma. is usually an abbreviation of Maria. Borgenland (talk) 13:35, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm yea, as far as I know, Philippines is the only country in the entire world that abbreviates Maria as Ma.. AstrooKai (Talk) 13:52, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't know have a edit warring here, I can't every day checking on all articles of Bini due to reviewing all on AfC and New Pages, I assume that this is resolved now? Royiswariii Talk! 07:30, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I guess it can be considered "resolved" since the article is now temporarily protected to prevent IP accounts from editing it further. However, the purpose of this thread is to establish a consensus on whether we use Ma. or Maria for Colet's first name in the article. You can read my initial message in this thread for the full details. AstrooKai (Talk) 07:42, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, then, I will close this discussion. Royiswariii Talk! 07:51, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Florenosos

Hello, may I please know why Colet's maternal surname Florenosos was removed from the article? I know there was a debate over Ma./Maria, but I'm curious as to why the maternal surname was removed, though it is still in the "Philippine name" blurb above the lead section. Thanks so much!

For some reason, the Reply button doesn't appear. Probably because this post is unsigned. Anyway, I removed "Florenosos" since it is not included in any of the sources cited, which may fail WP:FULLCITE. Per WP:FULLCITE, all content must be verifiable through reliable sources, and this is highly important when it comes to the names of a living person per WP:BLP.

As for {{Philippine name}}, I probably have not noticed it and overlooked it when I made the edit. However, if you can find a reliable source that includes Florenosos as Colet's middle name, then it can be re-added to the article. AstrooKai (Talk) 12:26, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This question is from Bloomagiliw. Royiswariii Talk! 14:46, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh okay. AstrooKai (Talk) 15:43, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How about this? https://kami.com.ph/entertainment/celebrities/170725-bini-colet-pabirong-tinarayan-na-naman-ang-isang-netizen-pwedeng-mag-wait-ka/

IMDb Pro (the premium, professional version of the site) has that maternal surname on Colet's profile as well, but access is heavily restricted. Bloomagiliw (talk) 16:57, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That Kami source may be used. Though I'm not confident in Kami's reliability or reputation. I have known Kami as a sensationalist source (known as tabloid journalism), and I often see it exaggerating stories. You may want to ask other more experienced editors regarding Kami's reliability here in Wikipedia.

As for IMDb, they are generally considered unreliable here on Wikipedia (see WP:IMDB and WP:UGC) and should be avoided if possible, especially in WP:BLP articles. IMDb contents are user-generated, meaning anyone on the Internet can edit its contents, similar to Wikipedia. Since we're trying to cite a living person's name (specifically their middle name), a high quality reliable source is what is needed. AstrooKai (Talk) 17:38, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question about stage name + surnames

Hello. Asking this on Colet's talk page because I happened to be on here, but I was just wondering what everyone's thoughts are on adding "also sometimes credited as" or "also professionally known as" for the Bini members' solo pages e.g. Colet Vergara.

Her real name is Ma. Nicolette, Colet is a nickname and stage name, but I've seen many instances of her being credited as/called "Colet Vergara" (stage name + surname). This seems to be a fairly common occurrence in P-Pop; for example, Alas from Alamat is credited as "Alas Alvarez" in a lot of stuff (his real name is Joshua, Alas is purely a stage name, but his real surname Alvarez is added) like on his official IMDb page.

For example, Colet's Spotify artist page is officially Colet Vergara: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4xwlsuISY4tARmVbGnRsJO She's also called Colet Vergara on her solo Vogue Philippines feature: https://vogue.ph/lifestyle/people/bini-colet-vergara-takes-challenges-head-on/ ABS-CBN News article saying "Meet BINI's Colet Vergara" + it's tagged as "Colet Vergara": https://www.abs-cbn.com/articles-news/colet-reveals-key-to-binis-solid-bond-and-unstoppable-chemistry-22902

Multiple articles by the Philippine Daily Inquirer also use those stage name + surname combos too for the members in general, like these:

https://entertainment.inquirer.net/591666/women-on-top-bini-dominated-2024-with-hit-songs-undeniable-charm https://entertainment.inquirer.net/578412/bini-colet-jhoanna-maloi-mikha-emotional-at-docus-advanced-screening

Article 1: There was no doubt that BINI took the Philippines by storm in 2024. “Pantropiko” became a stepping stone that propelled Jhoanna Robles, Aiah Arceta, Colet Vergara, Maloi Ricalde, Gwen Apuli, Stacey Sevilleja, Mikha Lim, and Sheena Catacutan into widespread stardom, almost to the point where a mere glimpse of them or a simple social media activity is enough to drive anyone into excitement.

Article 2: Much to the delight of their fans (known as Blooms), Jhoanna Robles, Colet Vergara, Maloi Ricalde and Mikha Lim hit the red carpet at the docuseries’ advanced screening at the Gateway Cineplex in Quezon City on Monday, Sept. 23.

I'd say it's pretty safe to say that they're all widely known as stage name + real surname by now, but I'd like to run it by the other editors first. :) Bloomagiliw (talk) 01:52, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It can be created a redirect for Colet Vergara. ROY is WAR Talk! 13:13, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Can you specify what exactly are you proposing? AstrooKai (Talk) 20:38, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Adding stage name + surname to the lead section of Colet's article (and the other members')

e.g.

Ma. Nicolette Vergara (born September 14, 2001), professionally known as Colet or Colet Vergara, is a Filipino singer and dancer under Star Magic. She is one of the main vocalists, lead dancers, and lead rappers of the Filipino girl group Bini. Bloomagiliw (talk) 20:45, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That would be a redundant since their full names have already been stated beforehand. Also, your example articles follows the same convention that we use here on Wikipedia. That is, when a person is being mentioned for the first time in the text, they are referred to by their full names, then referred to by either their first or last name later on.

Take this article for instance. She was first mentioned in the sentence Meet BINI's Colet Vergara, a true go-getter who embodies this adventurous spirit. Later, she was referred to by her first name only:

Colet's story isn't your typical rise to fame. Before becoming part of Nation’s Girl Group, Bini, she was a timid girl with dreams far beyond her small hometown. Despite the challenges, her courage and resilience led her from local auditions to the spotlight of one of the hottest P-Pop groups today. Her journey is a vivid example of how stepping out of one’s comfort zone can lead to extraordinary achievements.

In this episode of Kuan On One hosted by Melai Cantiveros, Colet opens up about her rise from a shy Boholana to a powerhouse performer with Bini. Trust us, you won’t want to miss her candid moments, rap skills, and reflections on her incredible path to stardom.

This goes the same for all the articles you cited (except for this one, since they were individually mentioned only for one time before being referred to collectively as "Bini" throughout the rest of the article). AstrooKai (Talk) 21:20, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Right. I thought it was worth asking because a lot of these use a combination of a name that isn't in their legal name (e.g. Maloi and Aiah are just nicknames) and their real, legal surname. Also, it's convention for any article to use the full name first, then only one name later in the body of the text.

But I'm not really trying to argue or anything. That's why I thought to ask. 👍 If the consensus is that it's redundant right now, then I won't press any further. Bloomagiliw (talk) 21:44, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]