Talk:Citizen Erased

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Bruxton (talk) 02:09, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

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• ... that "Citizen Erased" was Muse's first song to include a seven-string guitar? Source: Guitar World - "The new mix of Matt Bellamy’s first foray into seven-string guitar..."
  • ALT1: ... that although Muse recorded a string section for their 2001 song "Citizen Erased", it remained inaudible until the song was given a new mix in 2021? Source: Muse YouTube channel - Band members discussing the string section
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Clarence House, Brighton

Converted from a redirect by Aria1561 (talk). Self-nominated at 23:59, 12 December 2022 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing:
• Neutral: - it has been regarded as the album's centrepiece is sourced to a single review. As that is indirect speech, it should be given in-text attribution, or supplemented with other sources saying the same thing.
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
• Other problems: - WP:V issue: Lede contradicts body. The original song was never released as a single, but the remix was. (On that note, 'Citizen Erased' was not released as a single from Origin of Symmetry. Despite this, it became a fan favourite. sets off SYNTHy alarm bells, but is verified in the GQ cite, so no issue there; just noting it for anyone who had the same thought as me. [Besides, we all know the best song isn't the single.])

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: @Aria1561: This probably looks like more issues than it is; just two small tweaks needed and then we're good to go. Both hooks pass, although I find ALT1 significantly more interesting—but I'll leave that up to the promoter.

Sidenote, would you like me to restore the deleted revisions of the page from 2006? It's completely unreferenced, so not sure there'd be anything in there of use to you, but thought I'd offer. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 20:11, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

@Tamzin: Issues have been cleared up – added clarification in lead and added additional sources to the centerpiece claim in the prose. No need to restore the deleted revisions also, much of the prose was unsourced and the only sources used came from a fan-run wiki. The article is certainly better now than how it was back then lol. Aria1561 (talk) 23:20, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

Great, thanks for the quick response! Good to go. :D (As noted above, ALT1 preferred.) -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 23:23, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

False title

I removed the false titles from this article, but I see they've been restored without explanation. I won't challenge this as it's not a major issue, and kind of an issue of editorial preference, but I just wanted to flag it for editors who may not be aware that false titles are "a thing". (I certainly wasn't, for years.) Popcornfud (talk) 04:47, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

I haven't seen objections to false titles before and it became a part of my personal editorial handbook as a result of seeing them often while reading music-related articles (personally it still sounds correct when the adjective is used prior to the noun; i.e., "by English rock band Muse" – without that adjective I would use "the" instead). Additionally, the majority of Muse album articles had their leads introduced that way, so it seemed like the more consistent route to include it. Aria1561 (talk) 22:55, 22 December 2022 (UTC)