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Over use of quotes

Whilst I believe "tagging" articles is rude it doesn't look like this issue is going to be resolved unless this occurs. The length and number of quotes are clearly too long per WP:LONGQUOTE and WP:OVERQUOTE, to the point where it may indeed be a copyright issue per our WP:NFCC rules. Myself and several other editors have attempted to explain this, and an IP has continuously removed quotes / tagged the article only to be reverted. I am left with little choice than to tag at this point. Hopefully you are prepared to actually try and fix this issue rather than just ignoring it. Anotherclown (talk) 11:12, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It seems I need to repeat "Thanks for your continuing interest. In order to do the sort of job you require, the article needs a thorough read through and copyedit, which I will do as soon as I get a chance, before submitting it for a Guild copyedit. --Rskp (talk) 04:12, 17 October 2013 (UTC)" --Rskp (talk) 06:02, 26 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That's fine. I've tagged because you have been fairly good at moving articles to GA and this will need to occur before that can happen, that's all. Anotherclown (talk) 11:57, 26 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

@Anotherclown: G'day, I have had a go at reducing these now. If you feel more is necessary, please let me know. Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 03:08, 17 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks AR. Looks good to me. Anotherclown (talk) 12:49, 22 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

A query about Capture of Damascus (1918)#State of the horses

In Capture of Damascus (1918)#State of the horses, is the word "animals" an elegant variation for "horses"? (in which case replace it by "horses" and be clear.) Or does "animals" here include other species such as camels? Anthony Appleyard (talk) 22:54, 11 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

G'day, I had a go at rewording this. Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 03:08, 17 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Length

A lot of meticulous work has gone into this article, but the result – 14,000 words – is overkill. That's equivalent to about 60 pages of typescript. Far too much detail for what was after all a comparatively minor battle in WWI, its significance for the region notwithstanding. Sca (talk) 13:52, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sultan Pasha Al Atrash

It was sultan pasha al atrash who first entered Damascus and captured the heart of Damascus and flew the Arab revolt flag upon it. ^[1] ^[2] ^[3] ^[4] ^[5] ^[6] ^[7] ^[8] ^[9] Ali1618 (talk) 21:45, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Sultan_al-Atrash#Role_in_the_Arab_revolt
^ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuHkXFrct4c -documentary about the subject, the translation is very crude, bu what they basically say is that sultan entered damascus through the kiswa after capturing deir ali and after the battle he flew the arab flag over the government building.
^ http://www.sultanalattrache.org/bio.php?type=9
^ https://www.aljazeera.net/blogs/2020/7/13/%D8%B3%D9%84%D8%B7%D8%A7%D9%86-%D8%A8%D8%A7%D8%B4%D8%A7-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A3%D8%B7%D8%B1%D8%B4-%D8%A3%D8%B3%D8%B7%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%A9-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D9%82%D8%A7%D9%88%D9%85%D8%A9-%D9%81%D9%8A - "ويُذكر له أنه كان أول من رفع علم الثورة العربية قبل أن يدخل جيش الملك فيصل الأول إلى دمشق الشام (1918) وأنه كان أهلا لتقدير الملك فيصل بسبب شجاعته وأسبقيته إلى رفع العلم العربي في ساحة المرجة فوق دار الحكومة في وسط دمشق، وقد ذكرت الدكتورة ريم منصور الأطرش أن تحرير دمشق تم على يد سلطان الأطرش ورفاقه في 30 سبتمبر 1918 قبل دخول الجيش البريطاني إليها. أما الأمير فيصل (الملك فيما بعد) فقد دخل يوم 2 اكتوبر 1918" -"It is noteworthy that he was the first to raise the flag of the Arab revolution before King Faisal's army entered Damascus the Levant (1918) and that he was worthy of the appreciation of King Faisal because of his courage and precedence to raise the Arab flag in Marjeh Square above the Government House in the center of Damascus, and Dr. Reem Mansour Al-Atrash stated that the liberation of Damascus was accomplished by Sultan Al-Atrash and his companions on September 30, 1918, before the British army entered it. As for Prince Faisal (later King), he entered on october 2, 1918" and it is not unlikely since Damascus is easily reached from suweida ,and can be easily threatened and captured from there.
^ https://www.marefa.org/%D8%B3%D9%84%D8%B7%D8%A7%D9%86_%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A3%D8%B7%D8%B1%D8%B4#.D8.A7.D9.84.D8.AB.D9.88.D8.B1.D8.A9_.D8.A7.D9.84.D8.B9.D8.B1.D8.A8.D9.8A.D8.A9_.D8.A7.D9.84.D9.83.D8.A8.D8.B1.D9.89
^ https://history.ucsd.edu/_files/faculty/provence/MProvenceDruze.pdf .
^ https://www.pressreader.com/uk/all-about-history/20190228/282003263701660 - "Sultan pasha al ‘atrash syrian – druze 1888-1982 All About History 28 Feb 2019 This hero of Syrian nationalism fought for independence in the Levant, not only from the Ottomans, but also the succeeding French occupation, and even the Syrian government during a time of contentious dictatorships. After his father led a brutally repressed revolt in 1909, al ‘Atrash developed a network of Arab nationalists across the region. *In 1918, his forces were the first to enter Damascus and raise the Arab Revolt flag.* But the lessons he learned fighting the Ottomans meant his influence would carry well into the 20th century as he waged guerrilla campaigns against other powers."
^ https://books.google.co.il/books?id=Dm6pDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA48&lpg=PA48&dq=sultan+pasha+al+atrash&source=bl&ots=Bw5MJUwOVZ&sig=ACfU3U0HvL-tkJc_N0vBU4jBG-HYpIU-vA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi0tKSi0qDrAhUR6aQKHRD8Cn04RhDoATAHegQIChAB#v=onepage&q=sultan%20pasha%20al%20atrash&f=false - "...his forces were among the first to enter Damascus on september 29 1918...".
^ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbPLuFO9jx8&t=0s interview with sultan on this very subject in arabic he told the whole story from the start.

Unreadible

Needs a succinct re-write. Enri999 (talk) 00:40, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] ttp://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Sultan_al-Atrash#Role_in_the_Arab_revolt

[2] ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuHkXFrct4c -documentary about the subject, the translation is very crude, bu what they basically say is that sultan entered damascus through the kiswa after capturing deir ali and after the battle he flew the arab flag over the government building.

[3] ttp://www.sultanalattrache.org/bio.php?type=9

[4] ttps://www.aljazeera.net/blogs/2020/7/13/%D8%B3%D9%84%D8%B7%D8%A7%D9%86-%D8%A8%D8%A7%D8%B4%D8%A7-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A3%D8%B7%D8%B1%D8%B4-%D8%A3%D8%B3%D8%B7%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%A9-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D9%82%D8%A7%D9%88%D9%85%D8%A9-%D9%81%D9%8A - "ويُذكر له أنه كان أول من رفع علم الثورة العربية قبل أن يدخل جيش الملك فيصل الأول إلى دمشق الشام (1918) وأنه كان أهلا لتقدير الملك فيصل بسبب شجاعته وأسبقيته إلى رفع العلم العربي في ساحة المرجة فوق دار الحكومة في وسط دمشق، وقد ذكرت الدكتورة ريم منصور الأطرش أن تحرير دمشق تم على يد سلطان الأطرش ورفاقه في 30 سبتمبر 1918 قبل دخول الجيش البريطاني إليها. أما الأمير فيصل (الملك فيما بعد) فقد دخل يوم 2 اكتوبر 1918" -"It is noteworthy that he was the first to raise the flag of the Arab revolution before King Faisal's army entered Damascus the Levant (1918) and that he was worthy of the appreciation of King Faisal because of his courage and precedence to raise the Arab flag in Marjeh Square above the Government House in the center of Damascus, and Dr. Reem Mansour Al-Atrash stated that the liberation of Damascus was accomplished by Sultan Al-Atrash and his companions on September 30, 1918, before the British army entered it. As for Prince Faisal (later King), he entered on october 2, 1918" and it is not unlikely since Damascus is easily reached from suweida ,and can be easily threatened and captured from there.

[5] ttps://www.marefa.org/%D8%B3%D9%84%D8%B7%D8%A7%D9%86_%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A3%D8%B7%D8%B1%D8%B4#.D8.A7.D9.84.D8.AB.D9.88.D8.B1.D8.A9_.D8.A7.D9.84.D8.B9.D8.B1.D8.A8.D9.8A.D8.A9_.D8.A7.D9.84.D9.83.D8.A8.D8.B1.D9.89

[6] ttps://history.ucsd.edu/_files/faculty/provence/MProvenceDruze.pdf .

[7] ttps://www.pressreader.com/uk/all-about-history/20190228/282003263701660 - "Sultan pasha al ‘atrash syrian – druze 1888-1982 All About History 28 Feb 2019 This hero of Syrian nationalism fought for independence in the Levant, not only from the Ottomans, but also the succeeding French occupation, and even the Syrian government during a time of contentious dictatorships. After his father led a brutally repressed revolt in 1909, al ‘Atrash developed a network of Arab nationalists across the region. *In 1918, his forces were the first to enter Damascus and raise the Arab Revolt flag.* But the lessons he learned fighting the Ottomans meant his influence would carry well into the 20th century as he waged guerrilla campaigns against other powers."

[8] ttps://books.google.co.il/books?id=Dm6pDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA48&lpg=PA48&dq=sultan+pasha+al+atrash&source=bl&ots=Bw5MJUwOVZ&sig=ACfU3U0HvL-tkJc_N0vBU4jBG-HYpIU-vA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi0tKSi0qDrAhUR6aQKHRD8Cn04RhDoATAHegQIChAB#v=onepage&q=sultan%20pasha%20al%20atrash&f=false - "...his forces were among the first to enter Damascus on september 29 1918...".

[9] ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbPLuFO9jx8&t=0s interview with sultan on this very subject in arabic he told the whole story from the start.

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