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MILHIST B-class feedback

@Georgejdorner: you requested a WP:MILHIST B-class assessment, see below for some notes. Based on the below, I'm thinking both b1=no and b2=no which means Start-class for now. -Ljleppan (talk) 17:33, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

B1 - References:

References include theaerodrome.com which, based on a quick skim, seems to be a WP:SPS. Granted, I'm not too familiar with this specific topic, but I couldn't find anything on the website itself establishing a pedigree that would make it obviously WP:RS.
- If your quick skim had included a search for the site's bibliography, you would have discovered that the site is collated by some of the world's most prominent aviation historians. The same ones whose printed sources I draw upon. It is amazing how reliability suddenly fades when the info is on a website. (If I seem irritable, I've been explaining this every few months for the last decade).Georgejdorner (talk) 21:56, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - Okay, I've removed the Aerodrome links to the illustrations of the medals won by Rodlauer. Please note that it had no effect on the text.Georgejdorner (talk) 07:49, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Some inline-citations have ambiguous scopes. When individual sentences are sourced within a paragraph, an inline-reference generally covers everything to either 1) the start of the paragraph or 2) the previous inline-reference. So e.g. in the Early life and entry into military section as of now the ref [1] would also cover the sentence "Alois Rodlauer was born...", which is information not found in [1].
- As I recall, when a paragraph is too broken up by intermixed citations, it is allowable to group them at the end for the sake of reader clarity.Georgejdorner (talk) 21:56, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Place of death not cited in infobox and doesn't appear in prose.
- Place of death is clearly given in info box as Linz, Austria. I inserted into text, adding three words to article.Georgejdorner (talk) 07:55, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Infobox mentions two awards of Medal for Bravery, but only one seems to be sourced in the
- In the what?Georgejdorner (talk) 07:44, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

B2 - Content:

Infobox rank should be "the highest rank achieved by the person", so "major".
- Info box says major.Georgejdorner (talk) 08:02, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
MOS:FLOWERY: remove words like "valorous" and "feat" or source them as direct quotes; "managed to score" etc. can be just "scored" etc.
- There must be some indication of the reason an award was made. Eliminating any modifiers makes it seem as though an award is about as important as handing out rations.Georgejdorner (talk) 21:56, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Does O'connor mention who the historians who found out the "quirk" are? If yes, it would be good to mention them by name.
- Names of historians not available (though I have my suspicions).Georgejdorner (talk) 21:56, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It would be interesting to read a bit more about the WW2 and post-WW2 life. Also, do you know whether he was e.g. married or anything like that?
- Info not available.Georgejdorner (talk) 21:56, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

B3 - Structure:

Should the heading Aviation career be WWI Aviation career or something like that, given he served in the Luftwaffe in WW2?
- Maybe. But his WWII service as an administrator seems minor.Georgejdorner (talk) 21:56, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

B4 - Grammar:

Some capitalization issues:
- "Commissioned" should be lowercase
  - Not found.Georgejdorner (talk) 07:57, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- ranks are lowercase when not used as titles, e.g. "Leutnant So-and-So" is correct but use lowercase in "he was promoted to leutnant"
  - Not found.Georgejdorner (talk) 07:57, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

B5 - Supporting material: Looks good.

Removed links to "unreliable" illustrations.Georgejdorner (talk) 19:27, 9 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

So is this now dumbed down enough to be assessed B Class?Georgejdorner (talk) 08:02, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]