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notability tag

I don’t know, I think I will put the notability tag, because I think this won’t have an WP:LASTING effect, but im not putting again the tag before discussion. Protoeus (talk) 00:48, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"this does not, however, mean recent events with unproven lasting effect are automatically non-notable." Personisinsterest (talk) 02:28, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have it out for the 1973 DeKalb–Peachtree Airport Learjet crash too? — THORNFIELD HALL^(Talk) 05:52, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Air ambulance

Tracked down the flight, seems to be the following aircraft on Flightradar 24: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/xa-uci#38f3ecd3

Digging into the registration, it appears to be a Learjet 55ER belonging to Jet Rescue, an air ambulance service. The airplane in question is listed on their website here: https://www.jetrescueairambulance.com/air-ambulance-fleet Daveboy2000 (talk) 00:52, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Passengers

This source says there was 6 passengers

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/plane-crash-philadelphia-updates-roosevelt-mall-b2690232.html Bloxzge 025 (talk) 01:54, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Almost certainly a mistake. While the article says 6 passengers, the headline and several of the live updates say 6 total. - ZLEA _T\^C 02:03, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Fate of people abord

While the article currently mentions all 6 people on the plane as dead, it doesn't provide a source. From what I could find, while talks are that survivors are unlikely, no deaths have been confirmed. If anyone has a source I am unaware off, could you please link it in the article? Ollie111123 (talk) 02:26, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As of now, if taking into consideration a statement from Jet Rescue Air Ambalence: they cannot confirm any survivors.^[1]

References

^ "Small plane crashes near Roosevelt Mall in Philadelphia in fiery explosion". ABC News.

2601AC47 (talk·contribs·my rights) Isn't a IP anon 02:33, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I understand, but not confirming survivors doesn't mean they can also confirm they are dead. This seems to be a premature addition, however unlikely it may be there would be any survivors. Ollie111123 (talk) 02:35, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Until the sources say that anyone that was on-board have been found, it would indeed be premature to add death count at this time.

Maybe I should tell you I saw the furious explosion of the plane crash with my own eyes... 2601AC47 (talk·contribs·my rights) Isn't a IP anon 02:38, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe putting them as "missing" so far would be a better represntation of current facts? Ollie111123 (talk) 02:41, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I agree.

While I do not expect any surrivors, no one has confirmed any deaths. Seanpat73 (talk) 02:52, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

And still waiting for the investigation into this at this time, since there still aren't confirmed fatalities. 2601AC47 (talk·contribs·my rights) Isn't a IP anon 03:01, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What can be confirmed: The child on-board and his mother died. What a month. 2601AC47 (talk·contribs·my rights) Isn't a IP anon 03:55, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Picture

There is a picture of XA-UCI on Jet Resue's twitter feed. Is it usable instead of the stock image?

https://x.com/Jetrescue/status/1408615973733732357/photo/1 David Crayford ☎ 03:03, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Likely not, no obvious permission used. Plenty of (copyrighted) photos on Jetphotos.com and Flickr but none seem to be freely usable. Chew^{(V • T • E)} 03:12, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have asked JetPhotos and Flickr users if their images could be used in the past with some success. I'll see what I can do. - ZLEA _T\^C 03:30, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like someone complied, thank you for helping with that and thank you to the photo author for freely licensing it! Chew^{(V • T • E)} 09:59, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm afraid that one wasn't my doing. The photographer I contacted has yet to respond, though now that we have another photo I don't think I'll follow up on it. - ZLEA _T\^C 16:50, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I asked the photographer of this image if they would be interested in releasing it under a compatible license. I'll let you know how it goes. - ZLEA _T\^C 04:33, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Coincidentally, it looks like someone added the same image under fair use while I was writing the email. - ZLEA _T\^C 04:37, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Flight origin

This plane started January 31 at Miami–Opa Locka Executive Airport before flying into Philadelphia according to FlightRadar24 and FlightAware. Given that there is more of a direct path from Philadelphia to Tijuana, I support the flight origin being listed as Northeast Philadelphia but I just want to point that out for anyone who may feel differently. 53 (talk) 03:03, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It has been reported by spokesperson from that the medevac was from Philadelphia to Tijuana. Cubbe8 (talk) 04:26, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

ATC Audio

I have the ATC audio for Tower/Ground. Can we put that up? It is from LiveATC. Typically, automated scanners/devices dont qualify for copyright. I think it would be okay? MediaGuy768 (talk) 04:44, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It seems that the liveatc.net said "Audio streams may not be used in any third-party products." Awdqmb (talk) 07:04, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

but again, that is a bogus claim because you can't copyright automated video/audio. ATC audio using SDRs is not enough creativity nor is there an author.

Wikipedia uses this for tag:

"This work is ineligible for copyright and therefore in the public domain because it consists entirely of information produced by an automated system, such as a fixed CCTV or traffic enforcement camera, without human input; it is common property and contains no original authorship under the laws of its country of origin. Most jurisdictions do not have clear legal precedent on the copyright status of such works, see Threshold of originality § Pre-positioned recording devices for more information."

See example:

http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/File:PSA_Airlines_flight_5342_crash.webm

Wikipedia Article about pre-positioned devices:

http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Threshold_of_originality#Pre-positioned_recording_devices

Wikipedia article about Threshold of originality:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Threshold_of_originality MediaGuy768 (talk) 18:22, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Then I will raise a question: Does that mean, you can directly use a own FM radio reciver to record any audio, and declare it's in public domain, which is exactly what liveatc.net doing? But I think it's exactly same with you use a VCR to record TV shows. Awdqmb (talk) 21:40, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Question

What do I do if I got a crash video from a YouTube short? Of someone explaining it? Grffffff (talk) 04:55, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure exactly what you're asking. If you want to use it as a source, it would likely be considered unreliable per WP:SPS. - ZLEA _T\^C 05:07, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

He maybe also asking if he can insert them into the page. But I'm afraid the answer is "No". Because they obviously have copyrights, at least they can't be upload to WikiCommons. Awdqmb (talk) 07:07, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox fatality counts

I will not continue to remove fatality counts from the infobox to avoid a WP:3RR violation, but fatality counts should not be listed in the infobox or elsewhere until there is a reliable source cited for them, even if it's highly likely that all six occupants perished. P1^{(she/her, talk/contribs)} 05:15, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Is it confirmed that all of the deaths were people on the plane and nobody on the ground? The infobox says 0 ground fatalities, but I'd like to confirm this is true before adding it in prose - likely in the "accident" section. Unnamed anon (talk)<

As of now there are still no confirmed fatalities, although that will be (hopefully with enough clarity to avoid potential conspiracy theories festering) by 9AM in a press conference. 2601AC47 (talk·contribs·my rights) Isn't a IP anon 11:33, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

And now they can be added. Two passengers, a mother and daughter, and four crew members were killed^[1] 2601AC47 (talk·contribs·my rights) Isn't a IP anon 15:31, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ https://www.phila.gov/2025-02-01-city-of-philadelphia-provides-ongoing-updates-and-statements-to-keep-residents-and-media-updated-about-the-plane-crash-tragedy-in-northeast-philadelphia/

Picture of jet crash debris bearing registration number

A Twitter user posted a video in which plane debris bearing the XA-UCI registration number can clearly be seen. Look at the debris on the street in the first 9 seconds of https://x.com/AbuYaSeen215/status/1885476633164849508#m Can someone incorporate this into the article? I do not have a Wikipedia account. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.174.209.50 (talk) 13:53, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Here at Wikipedia, we can't use files with copyright in the pages (at least in most cases). And to be honest, you can easily sign up a wikipedia account if you don't have one. Awdqmb (talk) 21:33, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Med Jets Flight 056

Should we rename this to Med Jets Flight 056? Grffffff (talk) 16:16, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It has already been renamed but it should'nt !

according to Naming conventions :

Aviation accidents and incidents should generally be titled according to the air carrier and flight number for commercial air transport–related events.

This is NOT a commercial air carrier, we should "use the "where and what" convention" and keep 2025 Philadelphia Learjet crash - Df (talk) 23:10, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Responses section

I've significantly trimmed the mention of the responses by the local sports teams to avoid unnecessary detail, but I'm not convinced any mention is necessary. The US and Mexican presidents' responses are probably notable, and the governor and councillor said/did things beyond routine condolences but the same cannot be said for the sports teams who were not involved in any way and expressed no insights. Thryduulf (talk) 19:20, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Good call. Moscow Mule (talk) 22:52, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism

Someone used a source to an earlier crash in 2023, but cited it as 2077 with a retrieved date of 2078. Tried to find that edit in the history to undo it but didnt find it. Sorry for not being able to fix it myself. Ribidag (talk) 09:25, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, @Mgrigori562 fixed it. Thanks Ribidag (talk) 09:29, 3 February 2025 (UTC) :D[reply]

Removal Crash Series

I'd like to remove this part of the article: "It was also the second airplane crash in the United States in two days after a mid-air collision occurred on January 29, between an American Airlines flight and a Black Hawk helicopter." as it somehow alleges, that the two accidents (or the accumulation in Jan) are somehow related. What is your position on this? Squawk7700 (talk) 16:56, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. it doesn't seem like that would be relevant to the article, unless there were effects of the crashes being so close to the other mentioned crash (IE: community backlash). Caleb's World11 (talk) 17:43, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Med Jets on behalf of Jet Rescue Air Ambulance ???

I could not find any source for that information from the infobox (no, there is none in the quoted source https://bnonews.com/index.php/2025/01/plane-crashes-in-philadelphia-6-dead/, it was edited later without explanations by Air Astana 1388 (talk · contribs) on http://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Med_Jets_Flight_056&diff=prev&oldid=1273196725, who subsequently edited the page to read "operated by Med Jets SA de CV on behalf of Jet Rescue Air Ambulance as Med Jets Flight 56"). Neither in the page nor in a Google search outside wikipedia.

Rather, it seems that Jet Rescue Air Ambulance is the commercial brand of Med Jets, S.A. de C.V. - see https://otc-cta.gc.ca/eng/enforcement-action/med-jets-sa-cv-carrying-business-jet-rescue-air-ambulance.

No source either for any "Med Jets Flight 056". Except that ADS-B tracking sites refer to it under "MTS56" or "Med Jets 56" which would be the radio and flight plan callsign - cf https://www.flightaware.com/live/flight/MTS56 - though in the infobox it says that call sign is "MED SERVICE 056" or "MEDEVAC MED SERVICE 056", depending of the history versions... and https://123atc.com/call-sign/MTS says it is MEDSERVICE

This makes the current title even more problematic (see above Talk:Med Jets Flight 056#Med Jets Flight 056) - Df (talk) 00:30, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

[1] "Small plane crashes near Roosevelt Mall in Philadelphia in fiery explosion". ABC News.

[2] ttps://www.phila.gov/2025-02-01-city-of-philadelphia-provides-ongoing-updates-and-statements-to-keep-residents-and-media-updated-about-the-plane-crash-tragedy-in-northeast-philadelphia/

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