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Confusing section in the lede

"The shootings were the first with a firearm in Norway since the 2011 Utøya attack." What does this mean? Aren't all shootings made with a firearm? The text also implies to me that nobody has fired a firearm in eleven years in a city of nearly a million people. Should it say 'mass shooting'? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skrofler (talk • contribs) 06:56, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed Jim Michael 2 (talk) 10:20, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think this may be due to the Kongsberg attack, where a bow and arrow were used. Profzed (talk) 09:37, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That was a bow & arrow & mass stabbing attack, not a mass shooting. Jim Michael 2 (talk) 10:20, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Well the usual method of attack with bow and arrow is shooting. I think it's better to clarify than not to clarify. ;; Maddy ♥︎(they/she)♥︎ :: talk 10:22, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I understand that. But it is listed under "Category:Mass shootings in Norway" and "Category:2021 mass shootings in Europe" and uses the "Norway terrorism and mass shootings" template (which also has it listed as a mass shooting). Profzed (talk) 10:29, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Merge proposal

I propose merging 2022 Oslo shootings into 2022 Oslo nightclub shooting. I think the content of this page would be more relevant, as this is a specific shooting at a nightclub and not in Oslo in general. Screendeemer (talk) 02:49, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

What you're looking for is a move request. ;; Maddy ♥︎(they/she)♥︎ :: talk 10:35, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Why not mention the nightclub in the title? It's better that way. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Consensus1 (talk • contribs) 07:45, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No, because one of the 3 shooting locations was a takeaway. Jim Michael 2 (talk) 08:22, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not the first mass shooting since 2011

The article calls this the first Norwegian mass shooting with a firearm since 2011, which is a little misleading considering there was a mass shooting in a mosque in 2019, although there weren't any casualties in the mosque itself. Should be reworded or removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.112.20.176 (talk) 11:14, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The Bærum mosque shooting was a shooting, but not a mass shooting. Jim Michael 2 (talk) 11:57, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

But both aimed to kill as many people as possible with firearms, the only difference being casualties. That makes it pretty misleading to say it's the first of its kind since 2011, which this attack resembles less than the 2019 incident. It's an unnecessary and misleading sentence. 84.213.45.228 (talk) 15:00, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

not at all misleading. Typically a shooting needs to have at least 3 or 4 victims (not including the attacker) to qualify as a mass shooting. Mcrt007 (talk) 15:13, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Shooting" or "shootings"?

This article is not consistent in it's use of "shooting" and "shootings". Was it one or multiple (mass) shootings? Is a single mass shooting the same as a shooting, or shootings? I'd argue it was a single mass shooting, and that "shooting" is correct, because the fact that the person moved down the road is not enough to classify the shooting as multiple events. Therefore the article should also be titled "2022 Oslo shooting". Ved havet 🌊 (talk) 15:50, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It was a mass shooting & a spree shooting. It's considered by many people to have been multiple shootings because it happened in 3 locations. Jim Michael 2 (talk) 18:17, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Okay – then I think it's time we establish whether we are to consider it as one or multiple shootings, because right now there's a confusing mix of the two. Again, I believe that walking/running down a street and shooting up multiple establishments on the way doesn't qualify for three different events the same way e.g. the attacks in 2011 did, where the two events were clearly seperate, with significant time and movement between them. I believe that was the reason we did infact consider 2011 multiple attacks. Ved havet 🌊 (talk) 22:35, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Three locations that were all close to each other and all in a pretty short time. Hence, this should be called one event and thus use the singular. Str1977 ^(talk) 22:36, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The plural is also pretty irresponsible in this case, implying a series of terrorist incidents across town rather than a single episode on a street corner with several establishments. 84.213.45.228 (talk) 14:52, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Protection

I think that this article should be protected in the next couple weeks while it is displayed on the main page of wikipedia. Cherrell410 (talk) 12:17, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Per WP:NO-PREEMPT, protection should not be done preemptively because it contravenes the open collaborative nature of Wikipedia. They're usually only done when repeated vandalism, edit warring, or sockpuppetry has occurred. If it happens, request protection at WP:RFP. --Stylez995 (talk) 16:38, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Edits reverted

I have tried to remove the excess quotes error by removing the quotes entirely and instead putting summaries of what major leaders of countries have said. Unfortunately, this edit has been reverted due to "Unexplained content removal" by another Wikipedia editor. Can anyone explain why?49.192.44.178 (talk) 13:12, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Look, I have tried my hardest to help improve this article and remove as much errors as possible, but I am still frustrated with the edits being reverted, can anyone please help explain why? 60.242.47.130 (talk) 00:39, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Oslo attacks: Pride protesters defy Norway police warnings"

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-61961211

---Another Believer _(Talk) 04:12, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Why should they stay hidden ? That's what the attacker wanted. Police should protect, not endorse what the attackers want. Consensus1 (talk) 08:07, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Very odd that the names of the dead are not being made known. 2A00:23C8:4D83:2C01:64D7:46F9:F63:9756 (talk) 13:25, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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