Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Korea/Archive 23

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Issues with DISPATCH

I am asking your attention to help classify DISPATCH as unreliable source here.

http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Korea/Reliable_sources#Is_Dispatch_can_be_counted_as_reliable_source?

To be honest, I am not sure why DISPATCH has yet to classified as unreliable after all those rumors. (Perhaps the senior editors thought Dispatch was obviously not reliable?) The problem with keep putting DISPATCH in the grey area is that some editors start discriminately use DISPATCH as source: if the reports benefits their favorites, they use DISPATCH report, albeit its anonymous and uncorroborated nature. That is not neutral at all.

I want to use a precedence that The Sun is considered unreliable by Wiki editors. It's really about time to list DISPATCH as well. TheWandering (talk) 03:30, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

@TheWandering I suggest that you open a WP:RfC for this if you want a wider participation. Most project members, if not many who comment here may have already seen the discussion in the subpage's talk page. – robertsky (talk) 05:13, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. It's just unbelievable that the Korean editors are not active while K-Pop is a popular issue. The reason why I keep it in Korean wiki is because I'm worried the editors from other countries outside Asia are not familiar with Dispatch.

Is there anything to do about the article that is using anonymous source? TheWandering (talk) 08:33, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

Input from experienced editors familiar with Korean history needed

There is an open unblock request at User talk:Judication that includes a list of very detailed proposed edits relating to various Korean history projects, specifically Goguryeo, Balhae, Gojoseon and Hanbok. I brought this to the attention of WP:AN, but it doesn't look like there are any currently-active admins familiar enough with the subject matter to evaluate the unblock request. I'd like to encourage experienced editors familiar with this period of Korean history to take a look at the unblock request and leave a comment as to whether the suggested edits are in fact addressing WP:FRINGE issues in Korean history in a constructive manner. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 19:46, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

Wikimania 2023 : Singapore, 16-19 August

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Translation request

Could someone translate the first and third paragraph of this interview? Poirot09 (talk) 00:07, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

Cuisine working group

Hi, I'd like to start up the cuisine working group again (and the history one-- so far with that I've made the Seongsu Bridge disaster and Gangnam (Seoul) articles) if there's anyone else who wants to join me... Freedom4U (talk) 07:07, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:SBS TV (South Korean TV channel)#Requested move 17 March 2023

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:SBS TV (South Korean TV channel)#Requested move 17 March 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. From Bassie f (his talk page) 22:06, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Question: Naming conventions

I noticed there's two conflicting rules about naming conventions on different pages.

On Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Korean), it says "Revised Romanization should be used for South Korean and pre-1945 Korean names, McCune–Reischauer for North Korean names."
On Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Korea-related articles, it says "In general, use the Revised Romanization system for articles with topics about South Korea. Use McCune–Reischauer (not the DPRK's official variant) for topics about North Korea and topics about Korea before the division."

The conflict is on pre 1945. What do we do? I'm personally in favor of RR for pre-1945; outside of Western academia (importantly, within Korea), it seems to be the more popular choice. toobigtokale (talk) 20:49, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Tons of random Presbyterian Church in Korea branch articles

I found a ton of random articles of Presbyterian Church in Korea branches, which can all be found here. The only references in these articles are entries in a database of church addresses. These all might be notable, but I'm not sure and the titles are also written oddly, so hopefully someone familiar with this can take a look at it. Mucube (talk • contribs) 23:24, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Yeah this def seems odd. Some reportedly have thousands of attendees, so could arguably be considered notable. At very least the titles need to be changed to fit Wikipedia:Article titles. Maybe would just be easier to delete them all becasue they create more hassle than is worth dealing with. I'm not going to do it in near future though :P toobigtokale (talk) 21:02, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Yi Hwang

The Joeson Dynasty scholar Yi Hwang is listed in the Wikipedia entry about the I Ching as an an early influence in the Silhak reform movement. However, he is not listed on the Silhak page as a prominent scholar. Should he be added? Thank you. McConnell (talk) 22:18, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

I think not if he predated it. Based on some googling, Korean encyclopedias don't list him as part of the Silhak movement but occasionally mention him as a precursor to it. toobigtokale (talk) 00:06, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

Project-independent quality assessments

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Governing party explanation

Can someone please help with the post I made here (headed "Explanation needed")? Helper201 (talk) 22:14, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Park Chung-hee#Requested move 9 April 2023

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Park Chung-hee#Requested move 9 April 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. – robertsky (talk) 11:12, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:B. J. Pak#Requested move 10 April 2023

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:B. J. Pak#Requested move 10 April 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Yours sincerely, TechGeek105 (his talk page) 02:36, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

About Sung Deuk Hahm

Please see

Shirt58 (talk) 🦘 13:21, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

what's the specific concern? conflict of interest or grading? toobigtokale (talk) 18:45, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

correction need for History section of "Guui-dong" entry

The History section for the topic "Guui-dong" (http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Guui-dong) refers to Guro-dong, a different neighborhood of Seoul. Please update. 2601:280:5D80:9E70:F05C:B607:A936:4213 (talk) 17:08, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Search in Korean?

Can someone fluent in Korean search for sourcing for the book The Magical Moment? My computer doesn't want to open Korean websites for whatever reason. The book was only ever released in Korean so I'd like to have someone check to see if there's anything out there in the Korean language. From what I could find/produce it looks like the sourcing is mostly promotional type stuff, but there is a mention of it being a bestseller so I'd appreciate it if someone could do a quick sweep. I have a Google News link of what I could find in the AfD, if that helps any. Thank you! ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 17:35, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

@ReaderofthePack: Not fluent in Korean at all, but a quick search on Naver shows some kr articles talking about the book (1 2 3 4 5 6). I could also find some mentioning how it was a bestseller (1 2). - Ïvana (talk) 20:51, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

@ReaderofthePack A search on GScholar shows some mentions, but [1] seems to be a short story with the same (Korean) title by a different author. When I tried to control the search by adding the author's name ("마법의 순간" 코엘료) I got nothing. Mind you, my Korean is at the beginner's level. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 01:57, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

I've added a comment based on my search. :3 F4U (they /it) 07:21, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Changing policy on the transliteration of Korean names

You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Korean) § Changing of naming conventions. :3 F4U (they /it) 17:52, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

WikiProject Asian Australians

Hi,

I am looking for members to join WikiProject Council/Proposals/Asian Australians.

I figured that some members of WikiProject Korea might want to help contribute to the proposed WikiProject.

Let me know if you are interested!

Thanks, AverageFraud (talk) 09:21, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Spartan 3000 discussion

Can I ask a favor of user who is bilingual in English and Korean.?

If you have spare time, Can you participate in below discussion?
Spartan_3000 Discussion

Topic is about South Korean military unit. Even though you are not good at military field.

It's OK. Because issue of discussion is very simple.

South Korean press's reliable sources vs Western press's reliable sources. It's a matter of choice.

Anyway, Thanks! Footwiks (talk) 18:13, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

AFD on lists of Korean schools

If any editors are interested, there is an articles for deletion query on lists of schools in Sejong City: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of schools in Sejong City WhisperToMe (talk) 19:04, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Are North Korean functionaries 'politicians'?

Please quote reliable sources. Xx236 (talk) 08:21, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Chung Chun Rice Dog

Could any editors try to update Chung Chun Rice Dog with details about the restaurant chain's origins in Seoul (and possibly other operations in Korea)? I'm struggling to find much info via Google and was hoping someone might be willing to update the entry based on Korean-language sources. Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 02:21, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Song Dong-ju

Hi, please feel free to add the Korean name to this article if you can. Thank you! Dr. Vogel (talk) 10:20, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

Assistance with GAN review

Hi all. I am conducting a GAN review of Love or Loved Part.1, but I don't read Korean and need some help spot checking some of the cites to Korean sources. @Ca already spot checked a couple of cites, but I wouldn't feel comfortable passing this GA until 7 or 8 more cites are spot checked. Is anyone able to help out? Thanks, voorts (talk/contributions) 23:16, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

I listed all the Korean article sources for what was questionable and what was reliable. Hope it helps! Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 01:30, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

Ten Asia Global Top Ten Awards

I don't think this is a notable award, but it's all over tons of articles, with most noms sourced either directly to TenAsia (website/twt acc) or really low quality secondary sources (e.g. 1, 2, 3 pulled from the Enhypen awards page). Has anyone come across actual acceptable coverage from reliable secondary sources to justify keeping this, because I haven't, and if not, then another encyclopedia-wide removal is in order. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 19:44, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

I did a search on Naver News, and most of the results are from TenAsia itself. (I was briefly tricked by this 2018 article from The Korea Economic Daily, but turns out it's owned by the same company as TenAsia, and the article is reposted from TenAsia. Thought this could be helpful to know if you come across similar sources.) As far as I can tell, there are virtually no reliable secondary sources in Korean that establish the significance of this award. Lenoresm (talk) 00:13, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your comment. I hope a few more editors chime in because I'd feel more comfortable with a consensus of at least 3-5 persons. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 02:39, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

I also went through Naver but like 99% of the results are from either TenAsia itself or Hankyung (so, same thing). I could find 10 articles from other websites and 9 were almost identical, mentioning how Ticketbay (Korea's largest ticket brokerage platform) was officially selling voting rights for the awards. There was only one article from 2018 announcing the creation of the award. And reading about it it doesn't really sound notable at all.. it's from a specific media outlet that only involves 10 countries. There are a lot of 'awards' like that (money grabbers basically) which also serve as bragging material for fans. I don't see a difference between that and adding poll results from websites that masquerade as legitimate awards (you know the ones that pop up on twitter among solo fanbases). - Ïvana (talk) 03:49, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

I just completed removing 18 instances of the TGTTAs (including the one mentioned above), as per a wikipedia search for the awards name, and linked this discussion in my edit summaries. If there are any entries elsewhere that I have somehow missed, please lmk or remove them when you see them. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 05:00, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

Hi, i just saw that the Ten Asia Global Top Ten Awards in Enhypen awards section was removed, and my question is: all the awards section from other groups who had TTA Awards also follow the same criteria? because i just saw a couple of them and I only see 1 Naver or Hankyung source, and no secondary sources. If the Enhypen awards section would be corrected following the criteria previously mentioned, made it to all the k-pop articles who had the same awards in their lists. Thanks Aldebaran69 (talk) 00:47, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

@Aldebaran69: Like Carlobunnie said, the removal is a work in progress. If you see any article where the awards are being mentioned you're free to remove them yourself, or link the articles here so someone else can do it. - Ïvana (talk) 15:33, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

Feedback requested

An editor has requested that Dongo station be moved to Dong-o station, which may be of interest to this WikiProject. You are invited to participate in the move discussion. :3 F4U (they /it) 22:11, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Geography and climate

Currently Geography of South Korea includes climate, however the coverage seems deficient and does not have relevant topics such as the 2023 South Korea floods. Note that some countries have separate articles on Wikipedia for geography and climate but others have them combined like South Korea. There is a discussion on the talk page at Geography of South Korea#Split climate from geography for anyone who might be interested. - Indefensible (talk) 07:10, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Feedback requested

An editor has requested that Suseo Station be moved to Suseo station, which may be of interest to this WikiProject. You are invited to participate in the move discussion. :3 F4U (they /it) 22:12, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

Feedback requested

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Credibility bot

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Talk:Tiffany Young has an RFC

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Requested move at Talk:Northeast Project of the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences#Requested move 18 August 2023

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Requested move at Talk:Samguk Sagi#Requested move 26 August 2023

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Please comment about what's discussed in the article here

Hello, I've been translating sources for the Se-rim_Moon article and found this source [2], where the woman was appointed as an Andtree Angel. I can't figure out what that is, it appears to be some sort of charitable organization, she's a spokesperson for it? If anyone can locate a substantial article about her, can you please share it with me (most I find only comment on photos she's posted to her instagram and comment on what she's wearing).

Also, I found a few mentioning she's won an award, [3], does it carry any importance? I couldn't find anything about the awards in English. Thank you! Oaktree b (talk) 02:42, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

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1953 Korean dam bombing a war crime?

Anyone who is historian-minded want to evaluate whether the US bombing of Korean dams in WWII is a war crime? Then, take a look at: Talk:United States war crimes#why deletion of Korean dam bombing? – ishwar (speak) 04:37, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Righteous army#Requested move 1 September 2023

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Women in Green's 5th Edit-a-thon

Hello WikiProject Korea:

WikiProject Women in Green is holding a month-long Good Article Edit-a-thon event in October 2023!

Running from October 1 to 31, 2023, WikiProject Women in Green (WiG) is hosting a Good Article (GA) edit-a-thon event with the theme Around the World in 31 Days! All experience levels welcome. Never worked on a GA project before? We'll teach you how to get started. Or maybe you're an old hand at GAs – we'd love to have you involved! Participants are invited to work on nominating and/or reviewing GA submissions related to women and women's works (e.g., books, films) during the event period. We hope to collectively cover article subjects from at least 31 countries (or broader international articles) by month's end. GA resources and one-on-one support will be provided by experienced GA editors, and participants will have the opportunity to earn a special WiG barnstar for their efforts.

We hope to see you there!

Grnrchst (talk) 13:31, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Does anyone know a good online news archive website?

I am working on taking Phaethon (roller coaster) to GA and I'm having trouble finding archived online sources for the "History" section. Does anyone here know an Internet Archive-like website that contains archived Korean news websites and/or newspapers? Thanks, #prodraxis ^connect 05:21, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Naver News aggregates online news stories going back to the 90s. Here's a search for Phaeton + Gyeongju World in Korean. If you're looking for older print articles, the Naver News Library has scans of newspapers from the 1920s to 1999, but the interface makes it more difficult to translate the text if you don't read Korean. Here's a search for Gyeongju World in case you're interested though. Hope this helps! Lenoresm (talk) 02:14, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

(FYI, I can read and speak Korean) Sorry to say this but I have unsuccessfully tried using Naver News before making this post to find details about Phaethon's opening and the events leading up to it in the past..... it was quite difficult to find details using Naver News alone. Naver News Library does look like a helpful resource for researching Korea related stuff though. I might use Naver News Library in the future to improve Gyeongju World, Everland and other Korean theme park articles though. #prodraxis ^connect 02:31, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Discussion at N-po generation

There is a new proposed merge under discussion at Talk:N-po generation that may benefit from the input of users familiar with South Korean culture and/or users able to read Korean. WhinyTheYounger ※ Talk 13:06, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Restrictions on geographic data in South Korea

My new article on Korean topics. I could not locate a ko wiki equivalent. I added an ill to ko:위키컨퍼런스 서울 2023의 발표자를 10월 12일까지 모집합니다 but I couldn't find the Korean name or wiki article for Act on Construction and Management of Spatial Information mentioned in the cited academic article (maybe this?). Feel free to expand/copyedit. Cheers, _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:54, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Is there a Korean equivalent to Japan's Comic Natalie?

Every time I google manhwas using the Korean title, I don't get results that satisfy me. Is there any resource I could use to prove notability for manhwa articles? SimonLagann (talk) 16:41, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

For reference: Comic Natalie is a Japanese entertainment news website. I am somewhat intersted in manga but never heard of it... _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 01:12, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

South Korean literature

This article on such an important topic is awful. How did we let this happen? Korea-related articles that are not about pop culture, sports, and war are truly in a rough state. toobigtokale (talk) 14:44, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

I'd love to help with this topic, but I will need to do a lot of research, since this is something on my "I want to learn about this" list rather than "I know something about it". As for your second question, I fear that Korean topics on en wiki are edited primarily by fans of K-pop, and we lack someone interested in more serious topics and active enough to help in those areas :( For example, I'd love to write Korean science fiction article, but sources are lacking - see also [4]. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 01:22, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

I'd love to do it too, but same... Frustrating; Wikipedia is critically important to how Korea presents itself to the world. Appreciate your efforts to have students edit it. toobigtokale (talk) 01:42, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Photo

Can anyone in South Korea take pictures for the Ddaetgol Village article? It's in Ansan. Trynna spread awareness of South Korea's immigrant communities, and images go a long way. I've scraped all my usual sources to see if there's any pictures with an appropriate license, but there's not many pictures of the place in the first place. toobigtokale (talk) 13:11, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

@Toobigtokale Good news: I live here. Well, not exactly there, but in this town. I'll take care of this eventually. Bad news: I just need to find a good time for a bike or bus ride, which sadly these days is more difficult then it was before. Please remind me about this if I forget.

That said, as someone who is somewhat local, I have minor concerns about this article's accuracy. As in, it is roughly correct that this area of Ansan has many foreigners, including Koryo-saram, but the location of the "village" (effectively just a minor neighbourhood, few blocks) is likely too limited. In this area - which for me is the wider Ansan station area, see also Wongok-dong which your article links to but vice versa - there are many non-Western foreigners (also Korean-Chinese). What I am saying is that I am not sure if what you write about shouldn't be merged to Wongok-dong, and how accurate this is. I'll ask some local Koryo-saram I know (and hey, maybe I can ask them for a photo too!).

(Side note: actually there is a also small enclabe of Russian-speaking Koryo-saram next to my workplace around the ERICA campus of the Hanyang university, that I can photograph anytime easily - there are Koryo-saram bakeries and restaurants there, with cyryllic signs on the street).

There are many of my older photos from Ansan on Commons, but I can't locate anything from that exact area (in fact, I can't find my Ansan station photos there...). _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:34, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

That makes sense, thanks for giving the article a look through. If you can take those misc photographs of Koryo-saram in Ansan, please do. I may write about the Koryo-saram population in Ansan as a whole, so I may use them.

Actually, maybe I should just write an article called "Koryo-saram in Ansan"; do you think that's better? Of course the other foreign population matters too, but for now I'm trying to write on what I know. I actually don't know all that much about Korean Chinese people so I want to do more reading first before I start writing a lot about them. toobigtokale (talk) 04:51, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

@Toobigtokale Since I haven't done a lit review, I don't know what would be a good focus. I have lived in Ansan for a decade now, but I am sad to say my knowledge of the local setting is... somewhat random, partially due to my still very limited Korean. I can certainly help with some photography, at least. What is the address of that "three-floored Koryo-saram community center"? Ditto for "Koryoin Cafe Ugolok/고려인 카페 우갈록" (I can't find the latter even when searching for Korean name in Naver Maps). For the record, there are plenty of Koryo-saram shops (bakeries, restaurants, etc.) in Ansan. That said, a lot of the folks frequenting and running them are emigrants for the "stans" (folks from Uzbekistan, Kazachstan, etc.) - I am not sure if all of them are "Koryo-saram". They do seem to speak Russian much more then Korean (and their cafes will run Russian TV channels, not Korean). It's really a fascinating community (Ansan in general) and I hope we can look for more sources - or that at least I can read more of your research on this. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:36, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Community center (안산시 고려인문화센터): 37 Jigok-ro 6-gil, alternatively 988-3 Seonbu-dong, Danwon-gu.

For cafe, I'm not sure this still exists, and if it does it's only run by volunteers on the weekends according to a FB post in 2019. 45 Sincheon-ro Danwon-gu.

For an alternate landmark, MARINA Bakery is apparently pretty well known and liked by the South Korean community. MARINA has two locations on google maps; I think it's moved but not sure which is current. It's either in the same building as the cafe, or at 19 Bubu-ro 8-gil, Danwon-gu.

I'll definitely be reading more into Ansan. I only learned it was so immigrant-dense while researching for this article. I'm interested in immigrants in South Korea in general so this topic fits my interest pretty neatly.

On another note for article notability, I think there's decent coverage of the enclave. This village has at least a few dozen articles specifically talking about it (possibly hundreds since the 2010s), and it's recognized by the local government, although its exact boundaries are diffuse. But reading into the criteria for noteworthiness on human settlements it does seem like it'll come down to consensus on whether this merits its own article. I kinda like having an article for it because it gives more attention specifically to a group that could benefit from it. It also is one of two hubs for Koryo-saram in the country. Also worth noting that in 2016 the area reportedly was 90% Koryo-saram; maybe that's changed recently. toobigtokale (talk) 06:55, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Here's a Google map link to an Uzbek restaurant in the other area I know there are many Russian speakers in Ansan. I assume that the Uzbek people who run it are Koryo-saram... I wonder if this other area I am familiar with is notable? PS. Link cannot be saved due to wiki spam filters, sigh. It is maps.app.goo.gl/tuYheLXD3Thfc2QH9 _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:52, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Possibly; I'll look into it. On the other hand I just spotted the toilet-shaped museum "Mr. Toilet House" on the map; if you ever go to that let me know lol maybe worth an article

maps.app.goo.gl/fwXuM1dMs7rUQfMf6 toobigtokale (talk) 10:09, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Lol. That's in Suwon, a bit beyond my biking range. But I'll try to remember it when I do a longer trip. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:17, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Minor update: a friend of mine took some pics, I'll see if they can upload them to Commons themselves. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:14, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Oh awesome! Please let me know when/if uploaded toobigtokale (talk) 04:54, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

@Toobigtokale See http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/BoshX

And I'll upload pictures from the other area I took earlier today shortly too _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 14:01, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

😎 Nice, thank you guys! toobigtokale (talk) 14:04, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

And my photos are up too. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:58, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Notability of Children of the Rune

This is a Korean fantasy novel. Sadly, the article fails WP:GNG (just a lenghty plot summary) and the Korean article does not appear to better (just shorter). Can anyone help to rescue it from deletion? Korean Wiki states (without a source) that "It is promoted as a model of Korean fantasy ", ". It has a total sales record of over 3 million copies both domestically and internationally." and that it "has now been translated and published in Japan, Taiwan, and the People's Republic of China, gaining popularity in many Asian countries" (possible, it has ja and zh wiki articles). I think it now has an English translation too, although I can't see much reception ([5], [6] - some info but from the publisher? Intereview with the author. This seems like a notable book (series) but I think sources to rescue this exist in Korean (or Chinese/Japanese...) rather than English. @Cunard _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:09, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi Piotrus (talk · contribs). Here are some sources about Children of the Rune:

Kim, Eun-bi 김은비 (2021-05-02). "위클리 핫북]② 전민희 '룬의 아이들 블러디드'로 판타지 소설 인기몰이" [[Weekly Hot Book]② Fantasy novels become popular with Jeon Min-hee’s ‘Children of the Rune Blooded’]. eDaily [ko] (in Korean). KG Group. Archived from the original on 2023-10-28. Retrieved 2023-10-28.
The article notes from Google Translate: "‘Children of the Rune Blooded’ is a web novel serialized on Kakao Page. This is a new work 11 years after the completion of the second part, ‘Children of the Rune – Demonic’, following ‘Children of the Rune - Winterer’, and the 4th volume has been published this time, following the 3rd volume published last year. The ‘Children of the Rune’ series is a popular novel that has so far sold over 1.6 million copies domestically, and has been exported to Japan, Taiwan, Thailand, and China, with domestic and international sales combined exceeding 3 million copies."
"[베스트셀러] 돌아온 '룬의 아이들' 출간 첫주 톱10" [[Bestseller] Return of ‘Children of the Rune’ Top 10 in first week of publication]. Maeil Business Newspaper (in Korean). Yonhap News Agency. 2018-11-30. Archived from the original on 2023-10-28. Retrieved 2023-10-28.
The article notes from Google Translate: "The fantasy novel 'Children of the Rune' series, which returned after 11 years, entered the top 10 bestseller rankings from the first week of publication. In the bestseller ranking for the fourth week of November, published by Kyobo Book Center on the 30th by counting online and offline book sales, 'Children of the Rune: Bloodied' ranked 8th overall, receiving attention from readers in their 20s. ‘Children of the Rune Blooded’ is the third part of the series following ‘Children of the Rune: Winterer’ and ‘Children of the Rune: Demonic’. ... Her representative work, the 'Children of the Rune' series, has so far sold over 1.6 million copies in Korea and over 3 million copies in Asia."
Yang, Ji-ho 양지호 (2021-05-01). "[요즘 서점가] 판타지 '룬의 아이들' 최신작 한국소설 5위" [[Bookstores these days] Fantasy 'Children of the Rune', the latest Korean novel, ranked 5th]. The Chosun Ilbo (in Korean). Archived from the original on 2023-10-28. Retrieved 2023-10-28.
The article notes from Google Translate: "Lim Ji-ho, editor-in-chief of Elixir, said, “The Children of the Rune series started serialization in the 2000s, but it has the characteristic of not being outdated,” adding, “The younger generation does not feel distant and is attracting new fans.”"
Shin, Hyeon-hee 신현희 (2023-10-04). "룬의 아이들" [Children of Rune]. 시사매거진 [Sisa Magazine] (in Korean). Archived from the original on 2023-10-28. Retrieved 2023-10-28.
The article notes from Google Translate: "The new work “Children of the Rune,” the representative work of author Jeon Min-hee, who has led Korean fantasy with a beautiful world view, unique characters, elegant writing style, and deep sensibility, will be published by Elixir. The ‘Children of the Rune’ series is a million-seller with a total domestic sales volume of over 1.6 million copies. In addition, it has been exported to Japan, Taiwan, Thailand, and China, and the combined domestic and international sales volume exceeds 3 million copies, making it the most loved fantasy throughout Asia."

Cunard (talk) 09:26, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

@Cunard Awesome. I'll improve the article in a little while based on your sources. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:23, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

Move discussion input

Hello, if experienced editors could share their opinions on this move discussion that'd be much appreciated: Talk:Chaoxianzu in Korea#Requested move 29 October 2023 toobigtokale (talk) 13:24, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

Changing Japanese nationalities to Korean

There is a discussion taking place at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan#Changing nationalities to Korean regarding changing the nationalities of Zainichi Koreans in Japan from Japanese into Korean. Your input is appreciated. lullabying (talk) 00:38, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

hello. Currently, it seems to be used in the English Wikipedia without distinguishing between Koreans in Japan and Japanese people of Korean. These two are different concepts; Koreans in Japan have Korean nationality, and Japanese people of Korean descent have Japanese nationality.

In 1945, Korea was liberated from Japan, and all Koreans lost their Japanese nationality due to the San Francisco Treaty. Among those people, those who could not return to Korea and remained in Japan became Koreans in Japan. On January 29, 1952, the Korean and Japanese governments discussed these issues, and the contents included '1. 'Both Korea and Japan recognize that Koreans in Japan are citizens of the Republic of Korea and not of Japan.(1. 한일 양국은 재일한국인이 대한민국 국민이며 일본 국민이 아님을 승인한다.)'[7]

Additionally, upon inquiring with an official of the Ministry of Justice of the Republic of Korea, they responded that Koreans residing in Japan are citizens of the Republic of Korea under the Constitution.[8]

Koreans in Japan are special permanent residents active in Japan and their nationality is Korean. Because they are not Japanese citizens, there are restrictions on things like suffrage, which leads to social problems in Japan. If they acquire Japanese nationality, they are no longer Koreans in Japan, but Japanese people of Korean descent. There is no source at all for the article that some Koreans in Japan included people who became Japanese, and this story itself cannot be found in Korea.

To summarize because the article is long, Koreans in Japan are a special case due to the Japanese colonial period.

Most of these people were born and live in Japan, so they are misunderstood as Japanese, but in terms of nationality, they are Korean.[9]

Gksyy (talk) 02:04, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

The discussion was already started at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan#Changing nationalities to Korean, so please take further comments there to keep the conversation in one place. lullabying (talk) 02:38, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

Yi Sun-sin

This is another article of critical importance that is in rough shape. Prose issues, style issues, POV, and significant sourcing issues. If anyone can work on it please do toobigtokale (talk) 14:22, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Not that I disagree, but looking at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Korea#Article_assessment, only 3 articles are at GA+ class, and most are at C or below. At C-class, Yi Sun-sin represents the 'average' level here. We have a lot of work to do - missing articles to be written, and existing ones to be improved. Wikipedia will not be completed anytime soon (unless we see some weird AI-level revolutionary help that would effectively increase our manpower by several factors :P). _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:31, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

I've been trying to shine spotlights on issues with articles people are likely to care about in general; I know there are other big issues with Korea-related articles but I feel people are likely to care about this one and fix it toobigtokale (talk) 14:21, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Dear all. In my opinion, sourcing issues should be the priority. See http://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Yi_Sun-sin&oldid=1184272416 for an evaluation. None of the usual "usuals" is used. A large part of the so called references aren't even fully written... and therefore they aren't even existing. Many sources are quoted for a single factoid and not used for anything else. The model seems to be: write something about what you misundertood from a TV-series and grep Google for finding some backup. For example, the VANK YSS site contains a large page describing the modern days' sites about YSS... and should have been used for a section of the wp article. Another example: using the Archeologia blog only to prove Left+Right isn't a proof of competence. Good luck to anyone trying to fix such a mess ! Pldx1 (talk) 11:39, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

I was hoping you'd fix the mess :/. I know it's a chunk of work, but I turned this into this and it was in a much worse state than the Yi article.

It's a really important job; hundreds of thousands, maybe even millions, of people would read your work. It would significantly affect how the world sees Korea, please give it a shot. I would if I had more expertise, but I'm trying to limit my scope to modern Korea because that's what I have a background in. toobigtokale (talk) 23:06, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Joseon Army and Joseon Navy

Some of the information I gathered for these pages was from the Korean websites I translated using Google Translate. I need to know if I properly translated them right. I also need help with the way I put citations on these pages. I also need more information, references, and citations for the Japanese Occupation of Gyeongbokgung Palace article. Koreanidentity10000 (talk) 02:35, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

Goguryeo bibliography

Dear all. I am trying to fix the bibliography of the Goguryeo article. You can find my proposal at http://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Goguryeo&oldid=1183502350. Please state your opinion, if any, at the talk page of the article. Pldx1 (talk) 19:51, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

I've reverted the changes for its many problems, and replied at the talk page. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 20:34, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

"its many problems" ? The only problem is that User:ActivelyDisinterested dislikes the very idea of underlining what is to be discussed. And about the core of the discussion (i.e. sorting what are the sources to keep and what are the not-so-sources to discard ?). Pldx1 (talk) 23:44, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Why are you referring to me in the third person? Also I'm not the only person to object to your changes, they had already been reverted once before I did the same. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 23:53, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Yi Sun-sin, Goguryeo, y osotros. While trying to deal with the Yi Sun-sin's References section, I have examined the References sections of all the Naval Battles pages. They are only cut-and-paste of each other. Some items have no relation at all with the Imjin Waeran. Moreover, there is an amusing confusion: an article about Korean Printing is described as an article about Korean Painting. But who cares ? Pldx1 (talk) 14:16, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Obviously you do, and you also appear to have the relevant knowledge, so go and improve them. But try and listen to the advise of other editors, Wikipedia articles are not working documents. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested «@» °∆t° 17:50, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Jo Hee-de#Requested move 12 December 2023

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Jo Hee-de#Requested move 12 December 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. UtherSRG (talk) 12:50, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Noktundo dispute help needed

There is a discussion over at Talk:Noktundo about whether the Noktundo island should be considered an ongoing land dispute on Wikipedia or not (and thus presented in the List of territorial disputes article as such). Any further input to help form a consensus would be greatly appreciated! — AP 499D25 (talk) 00:29, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Korean influence on Chinese culture

I created a draft a while ago Draft:Korean influence on Chinese culture and I realized I do not know enough about this topic to actually make the article, but I am posting it here to see if any of you feel like you would want to take over it. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 09:38, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

Nice topic, I'll ask my students to work on it. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:23, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Second-most populous city in NK

The articles for Hamhung and Nampo both claim in their first sentence the title of second largest city by population in NK. Someone should look into resolving this contradiction. 98.170.164.88 (talk) 08:51, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Cite request added. Numbers for Nampo are contradictory, but neither puts it as second. Third to fifth? _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:42, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Photo wanted

Anyone living in South Korea have a good photo of Korea Job World? I will gladly appreciate some. Thanks. #prodraxis ^connect 14:21, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Not in my area. Try asking on reddit or such too? _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:49, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

@Piotrus: Hang on..... actually, like you said lemme ask someone in r/korea to see if they have any good pics. #prodraxis ^connect 03:05, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

I may visit that area in a few weeks; I'll try to take pictures if you still need them by then toobigtokale (talk) 04:53, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

I found some blogs with photos and acceptable licenses [10] [11] [12]. You'll have to be careful about uploading them on Commons due to freedom of panorama and derivative work concerns. ✗plicit 12:32, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

@Explicit: Yeah, I will definately consider freedom of panorama/copyright laws before uploading to Commons. Just so I know, is it OK if I do upload these files to Wikipedia if I cannot to Commons or will that also be a copyvio? #prodraxis ^connect 12:35, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Photos of buildings can be uploaded here on Wikipedia and tagged with {{FoP-USonly|South Korea}}. I'm afraid that photos of sculptures, characters, and complex art designs wouldn't be allowed on either project.

I'm one of the few media file specialists that is an admin both here and Commons, so if there are photos in particular you have questions about, I'll be glad to offer my advice. ✗plicit 12:43, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

@Explicit Interesting. Can be rescue some photos deleted from Commons by moving them to en wiki? For example, we are about to loose most if not all images for Statue of Admiral Yi Sun-sin and Statue of King Sejong (Gwanghwamun) (including some of mine...). _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:53, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

@Piotrus: The English Wikipedia is bound by FOP laws of the United States, so copyrighted sculptures are still considered non-free here. In the articles you mentioned above, only a single non-free photo would be justified by policy. Unfortunately, there are no tools that allows transfers from Commons to language projects, so they must be uploaded manually with proper attribution. ✗plicit 01:39, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

@Explicit: I have uploaded File:Korea_Job_World_Children's_Experience_Area.png. Thoughts? #prodraxis ^connect 01:55, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

@Prodraxis: I have exported the image to Commons. The truck is a utilitarian object. Any copyrighted design is secondary and falls into de minimis territory. If you would prefer to err on the side of caution and upload these locally first, that is perfectly fine. ✗plicit 14:34, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

@Explicit Ah, right, I forgot that US FOP does not apply to sculptures. Fair use is all we can do then? :( _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:55, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

@Piotrus: Sadly, unless South Korea changes its FOP laws, that's the only option available to us. ✗plicit 14:34, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Fair enough. I am very interested in learning what are the Korean Wikipedians (their WMF chapter?) doing about this problem? _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:27, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

FYI, minor relevant discussion at Korean Wikipedia, now archived: ko:위키백과:사랑방/2023년_제47주#63빌딩_사진을_공용에_올리면_삭제됩니다._(한국에서_파노라마의_자유가_허용되지_않는_문제). Nobody really seems to be doing anything :( _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:45, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Gwangju Cinema pictures

Anyone in Gwangju that can take pictures of Gwangju Cinema? The current pic on the article isn't great. My usual sources for images aren't turning up much either on quick searches. toobigtokale (talk) 10:52, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

@Toobigtokale Try asking on reddit or such? Sometimes someone bites and helps Wikipedia rather than flame online or such. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:09, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

I'll give it a shot; yeah the comment sections on r/korea especially oof lol... toobigtokale (talk) 06:15, 26 December 2023 (UTC)